Yet Another Terror Plot

[Nobunaga]

... Yeah, I quit being upset about being called a racist after I realized precisely what I had said. Is the term "Paki" used with a meaning wider than that referring to a Pakistani? I got that impression after a bit of looking.

... My statement concerning British media must be valid, at least to some degree. Why, the BBC had a report done on itself (yeah, I know you know) to determine bias and came up rather more than a little left of center . . .

... US media is so far flung to the left, perhaps I'm seeing shadows that aren't there... Of course I admit I don't know first hand, but I've seen the BBC AM reports from Israel, with that whining long-haired woman, near on weeping for the "plight of the Palestinians"... all but cursing those evil Israelis ... (only to discover many of her shots were orchestrated for dramatic effect... she should work for Reuters).

... Wandering way off topic... steering back... Thousands chant for the death of the Queen, and for Mr. Blair... Did this make the headlines? Just curious. I'd say, "I doubt it", but then I'd again be accused of speaking while ignorant of the facts.. so I ask.

... or maybe such is not newsworthy in the UK? ..

[Guiscard]

... Yeah, I quit being upset about being called a racist after I realized precisely what I had said. Is the term "Paki" used with a meaning wider than that referring to a Pakistani? I got that impression after a bit of looking.

... My statement concerning British media must be valid, at least to some degree. Why, the BBC had a report done on itself (yeah, I know you know) to determine bias and came up rather more than a little left of center . . .

... US media is so far flung to the left, perhaps I'm seeing shadows that aren't there... Of course I admit I don't know first hand, but I've seen the BBC AM reports from Israel, with that whining long-haired woman, near on weeping for the "plight of the Palestinians"... all but cursing those evil Israelis ... (only to discover many of her shots were orchestrated for dramatic effect... she should work for Reuters).

... Wandering way off topic... steering back... Thousands chant for the death of the Queen, and for Mr. Blair... Did this make the headlines? Just curious. I'd say, "I doubt it", but then I'd again be accused of speaking while ignorant of the facts.. so I ask.

... or maybe such is not newsworthy in the UK? ..

No worries, I really don't have an issue over you using Paki as you didn't know the context. Its used as a racist insult for anyone from the Indian subcontinent really... Issue closed.

As for your thing about the speech, I don't recall it being covered, but everythings been pretty overshadowed by awful flooding in large areas of the country ans now the attempted bombings, so I'm not too surprised. Its just a radical protest. Nothing to get excited about. 1000 people, not all of whom will agree with the speaker, from a city with a Muslim population of perhaps 80,000 doesn't seem to threatening to me. As I've constantly stated, come to Britain and speak to Muslim people and you'll find the vast vast majority moderate, tolerant and, although they may object politically to government actions like Iraq, in no way violent. The extremist voice just shouts louder. Despite recent events, the extremist fringe of British Islam is still just that - a fringe - and cherry picked articles shouldn't be used to suggest the entirety of British Islam is violent, disruptive and dangerous.

[Nobunaga]

... Well, that is good news, then.

...

[Guiscard]

... Well, that is good news, then.

...

[Sarcasm][/Sarcasm]???

[b.k. barunt]

another racist pointed out by guis whats new??

So I guess it's like the boy who cried wolf one too many times. After awhile, your credibility is gone.

With Stopper running in like the Cavalry...

"Stopper Stopper please help me "

The only thing we're missing is some Lone Ranger music....

What we are missing here is a set of cojones to give to izzyboy. This limp wristed twat loves to spout off about liberals ruining his country, and avidly supports the warmongers, though like most of his stripe, he himself has never served. Btw, i (being the old fashioned kinda guy that i am) like WOG much better than Paki.

[Nobunaga]

... Well, that is good news, then.

...

[Sarcasm][/Sarcasm]???

... Absolutely not.

...

[Iz Man]

....though like most of his stripe, he himself has never served.

Really?
Gunner's Mate 2nd Class
U.S.S. Mobile Bay CG-53 '88-'92

My list of commendations:

I have 3 letters of Commendation, along with the following:
Navy Achievement Medal
Southwest Asia Service Medal
Expert Marksman (.45 & M14)
Sea Service Ribbon (x3)
Overseas Service Ribbon (x2)
Joint Meritorious Unit Commendation
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
Kuwait Liberation Medal
National Defense Service Medal
Combat Action Ribbon

Along with launching 23 Tomahawks against Iraq, we destroyed 2 MIG's and 22 mines in the Persian Gulf.
We also sank 43 out of the 48 ship Iraqi "Navy". I am proud to have personally given 8 of those gunships to Davey Jones via a 25mm deck mounted chain gun.

[Iz Man]

... Yeah, I quit being upset about being called a racist after I realized precisely what I had said. Is the term "Paki" used with a meaning wider than that referring to a Pakistani? I got that impression after a bit of looking.

... My statement concerning British media must be valid, at least to some degree. Why, the BBC had a report done on itself (yeah, I know you know) to determine bias and came up rather more than a little left of center . . .

... US media is so far flung to the left, perhaps I'm seeing shadows that aren't there... Of course I admit I don't know first hand, but I've seen the BBC AM reports from Israel, with that whining long-haired woman, near on weeping for the "plight of the Palestinians"... all but cursing those evil Israelis ... (only to discover many of her shots were orchestrated for dramatic effect... she should work for Reuters).

... Wandering way off topic... steering back... Thousands chant for the death of the Queen, and for Mr. Blair... Did this make the headlines? Just curious. I'd say, "I doubt it", but then I'd again be accused of speaking while ignorant of the facts.. so I ask.

... or maybe such is not newsworthy in the UK? ..

... Issue closed.

You see Nobunaga, the issue is closed. You now have no say on the subject because The Almighty has spoken.

[Nobunaga]

... The Mobile Bay? That's a scary ass boat, Iz!

... USS Saratoga here, CV60, from 86 to 89 (school took forever!). Air Controller 3rd Class.

.... never used a chain gun though.... that had to be well, awesome.

...

[Guiscard]

... Yeah, I quit being upset about being called a racist after I realized precisely what I had said. Is the term "Paki" used with a meaning wider than that referring to a Pakistani? I got that impression after a bit of looking.

... My statement concerning British media must be valid, at least to some degree. Why, the BBC had a report done on itself (yeah, I know you know) to determine bias and came up rather more than a little left of center . . .

... US media is so far flung to the left, perhaps I'm seeing shadows that aren't there... Of course I admit I don't know first hand, but I've seen the BBC AM reports from Israel, with that whining long-haired woman, near on weeping for the "plight of the Palestinians"... all but cursing those evil Israelis ... (only to discover many of her shots were orchestrated for dramatic effect... she should work for Reuters).

... Wandering way off topic... steering back... Thousands chant for the death of the Queen, and for Mr. Blair... Did this make the headlines? Just curious. I'd say, "I doubt it", but then I'd again be accused of speaking while ignorant of the facts.. so I ask.

... or maybe such is not newsworthy in the UK? ..

... Issue closed.

You see Nobunaga, the issue is closed. You now have no say on the subject because The Almighty has spoken.

Now re-read the post and have a little think as to which issue I could have been referring to...

[Iz Man]

... The Mobile Bay? That's a scary ass boat, Iz!
... USS Saratoga here, CV60, from 86 to 89 (school took forever!). Air Controller 3rd Class.
.... never used a chain gun though.... that had to be well, awesome.
...

Yeah, my contention is that the U.S. Aegis Cruiser is the biggest can of whoopass on the planet.
Ah the Sorry Sara...
We were in Mayport at the same time then in '89 before they moved us to Japan.
The chain gun was beyond awesome, has to be the coolest thing I've done.
In retrospect, of course. At the time I used it out of necessity.

[b.k. barunt]

....though like most of his stripe, he himself has never served.

Really?
Gunner's Mate 2nd Class
U.S.S. Mobile Bay CG-53 '88-'92

My list of commendations:

I have 3 letters of Commendation, along with the following:
Navy Achievement Medal
Southwest Asia Service Medal
Expert Marksman (.45 & M14)
Sea Service Ribbon (x3)
Overseas Service Ribbon (x2)
Joint Meritorious Unit Commendation
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
Kuwait Liberation Medal
National Defense Service Medal
Combat Action Ribbon

Along with launching 23 Tomahawks against Iraq, we destroyed 2 MIG's and 22 mines in the Persian Gulf.
We also sank 43 out of the 48 ship Iraqi "Navy". I am proud to have personally given 8 of those gunships to Davey Jones via a 25mm deck mounted chain gun.

Yeah, you know what you're talking about

My bad - i apologize.

[luns101]

The only thing we're missing is some Lone Ranger music....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH57laY1FaI

Very poor choice, Iz. You do realize that Tonto was not in fact from India, don't you? Just making sure you don't call him an Indian.

[Guiscard]

The only thing we're missing is some Lone Ranger music....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH57laY1FaI

Very poor choice, Iz. You do realize that Tonto was not in fact from India, don't you? Just making sure you don't call him an Indian.

Luns for goodness sake... I wasn't calling him a racist, but what I WAS doing was pointing out that the word Paki, whilst it may well be used elsewhere as a standard reference to people of Pakistani origin, is to British people a very racist term. This isn't liberal nit-picking or political correctness gone mad... it is a very racist term. It has been so for decades. It certainly isn't something to make light of. What the hell do you think there is to joke about? I doubt you'd be apeing it in the same way if he'd said 'make a run on the niggers' would you?

[luns101]

Luns for goodness sake... I wasn't calling him a racist, but what I WAS doing was pointing out that the word Paki, whilst it may well be used elsewhere as a standard reference to people of Pakistani origin, is to British people a very racist term. This isn't liberal nit-picking or political correctness gone mad... it is a very racist term. It has been so for decades. It certainly isn't something to make light of. What the hell do you think there is to joke about? I doubt you'd be apeing it in the same way if he'd said 'make a run on the niggers' would you?

LOL...Guis, who are you to judge anyone on anything. That's the point I've been trying to make. Then when people start to call you on it you call for help?!!

People here at CC often pm me and tell me they're tired of your accusations and innuendos against them. You don't even know them or their motivations for posting their thoughts. Perhaps you don't mean to do so, but you really come across as someone who is not very accepting of other people or their views.

I'm still on the fence about you, personally. I admire your intelligence, but am really tired of your attitude and correcting people.

[beezer]

People here at CC often pm me and tell me they're tired of your accusations and innuendos against them.

I'm assuming you're referring to me since I pm'd you awhile back about Guis. I didn't know there were lots of others as well that were tired of it.

If he didn't have such an "I know it all and you know nothing" attitude then at least we could have rational debate and civilized discussion.

another racist pointed out by guis whats new??

I'm still on the fence about you, personally. I admire your intelligence, but am really tired of your attitude and correcting people.

OK, so I will add my voice to the chorus. I've grown tired of it as well.

[Guiscard]

Luns for goodness sake... I wasn't calling him a racist, but what I WAS doing was pointing out that the word Paki, whilst it may well be used elsewhere as a standard reference to people of Pakistani origin, is to British people a very racist term. This isn't liberal nit-picking or political correctness gone mad... it is a very racist term. It has been so for decades. It certainly isn't something to make light of. What the hell do you think there is to joke about? I doubt you'd be apeing it in the same way if he'd said 'make a run on the niggers' would you?

LOL...Guis, who are you to judge anyone on anything. That's the point I've been trying to make. Then when people start to call you on it you call for help?!!

People here at CC often pm me and tell me they're tired of your accusations and innuendos against them. You don't even know them or their motivations for posting their thoughts. Perhaps you don't mean to do so, but you really come across as someone who is not very accepting of other people or their views.

I'm still on the fence about you, personally. I admire your intelligence, but am really tired of your attitude and correcting people.

How would you have preferred me, as a British person, to respond to the word being used?

To be honest guys its lovely that I've got such a big fanclub, but this is an internet forum... I'm sure I do come off as harsh and judgemental, but when you post on the internet a certain barrier is removed which would remain in place in normal debate. Why shouldn't I call people out when I see something I don't agree with? People like yourself and Jay tire the shit out of me harping on and on and on about some imaginary Liberal Atheist conspiracy, and I often find myself butting heads with Iz who to me seems closed-minded, ignorant, ill-informed and unwilling to even consider other opinions may exist! I'm sure you can all level some of these charges at me too, but I'm more than willing to accept that - on this internet forum - some of you may not like what I've got to say. I'd say I've copped far more personal insults than I've dished out... In the American thread iz repeatedly posted a scenario in which he had me mugges and beaten for being a liberal pussy (as just one example), so I really think giving me a ticking off about crrecting peoples views with which I disagree is a little rich.

At the end of the day I just like a good argument. If you don't want to listen then ignore my posts or take it to flame wars. Case closed.

[luns101]

I'm sure I do come off as harsh and judgemental, but when you post on the internet a certain barrier is removed which would remain in place in normal debate. Why shouldn't I call people out when I see something I don't agree with?

You can do so without making them feel like idiots.

People like yourself and Jay tire the shit out of me harping on and on and on about some imaginary Liberal Atheist conspiracy, and I often find myself butting heads with Iz who to me seems closed-minded, ignorant, ill-informed and unwilling to even consider other opinions may exist!

Can't speak for Jay or Iz, but I don't believe it's a conspiracy. It's out in the open. Atheism/Human Secularism (and other "isms" similar) are gaining a new growing multitude, mostly in Europe. From what I've read, most people switching to it after years of dissatisfaction with organized religion. Yeah, I think this is a dangerous trend for societies/cultures as it ultimately leads to exalting oneself and not being sympathetic towards others' needs.

People like myself find it insulting that you find people like me ill-informed. I watch the news, listen to radio, and talk to a variety of people from around the world (one of the benefits of my job teaching adults learning English). I read a lot of books (mostly biographies) and articles. I've received two Bachelor's Degrees & a California Teaching Credential. I've taught for both the public school system and now for a private company. Of course I'm going to get angry when you talk down to me. Apparently, I'm not the only one who does.

As far as being unwilling to consider other opinions. There have been times when I've been upset with your accusations so I dismiss the points you've made. I later come back when I've settled down and re-read your posts. You actually make good points, but when you put someone on the defensive at the beginning of a discussion, why would they take you seriously...that's human nature.

I'd say I've copped far more personal insults than I've dished out... In the American thread iz repeatedly posted a scenario in which he had me mugges and beaten for being a liberal pussy (as just one example), so I really think giving me a ticking off about crrecting peoples views with which I disagree is a little rich.

Well then, that's equally wrong. I've tried my best not to hurl insults against others, including you. I have used sarcasm in other threads in an attempt to get your attention (and others) that I'm tired of not having the same respect given to pro-America, Christian, or politically conservative positions that you would want to receive in kind. Disagreement is fine...but I really feel like our points in general are not even given serious consideration.

At the end of the day I just like a good argument. If you don't want to listen then ignore my posts or take it to flame wars. Case closed.

That's the sad part. You're obviously a person of intelligence. You take the time to study and I'm sure you're very eager to share that with others here. Perhaps you could take on the attitude of helping people understand things instead of "you're wrong...how could you think that way". But it's your choice on how you want to be viewed. Perhaps this thread has opened your eyes a little. If you were some punk kid adolescent spouting off nonsense I wouldn't give 2 rips about you, Guis. But you're not a kid and I feel what you have to say is interesting...MINUS THE ATTITUDE!

Like I said before, I'm not as pure as the wind-driven snow on this either. I've got a long ways to go in trying to present my opinions without sounding condescending. It's part of our journey as people.

[Nobunaga]

... I like Guiscard rather much, actually. Sure, he called me a dick, but I've been called much worse.

... Always I look forward to his posts, and Stopper's as well.

... Nothing here is personal. I enjoy reading other folks' expressions of what they think, and how they got there.

... We probably disagree on several things, but I'm alright with that. I am not concerned with being right all the time. In fact, I am glad to learn a few things even if it means being shown to be wrong, and the temporary embarrassment that might entail.

... Nobody here in these forums is going to have their basic opinions and views much altered. The best we can hope for is to introduce a few ideas to make people think and to pick up a few ideas to think about along the way.

... Anyway, that is my view on the topic.... NOW! I started this thread, dammit! Back on topic!!

... I was surprised to hear that some (cannot recall.. was it 3?) of those involved in the recent terrorist plots are medical doctors.

...

[b.k. barunt]

Luns for goodness sake... I wasn't calling him a racist, but what I WAS doing was pointing out that the word Paki, whilst it may well be used elsewhere as a standard reference to people of Pakistani origin, is to British people a very racist term. This isn't liberal nit-picking or political correctness gone mad... it is a very racist term. It has been so for decades. It certainly isn't something to make light of. What the hell do you think there is to joke about? I doubt you'd be apeing it in the same way if he'd said 'make a run on the niggers' would you?

LOL...Guis, who are you to judge anyone on anything. That's the point I've been trying to make. Then when people start to call you on it you call for help?!!

People here at CC often pm me and tell me they're tired of your accusations and innuendos against them.

Sorry luns, but i couldn't let this one pass. If you had said someone PMed you with said complaint, i would have had to ask who the hell is the whining titmonkey that would do such a thing. For you to say however, that people "often" PM you with such sniveling tripe, is something that stops me in my tracks and makes me go WHATTHEFUCK!?! Are you the CC Dear Abby now? Why would anyone PM you with such crap? What are you doing to encourage this litany of tears? If Guiscard's occasional random racist accusations are drawing this kind of response, God knows what kind of fan mail i'm getting in your inbox. Signed, ROTFLMFAO.

[luns101]

Luns for goodness sake... I wasn't calling him a racist, but what I WAS doing was pointing out that the word Paki, whilst it may well be used elsewhere as a standard reference to people of Pakistani origin, is to British people a very racist term. This isn't liberal nit-picking or political correctness gone mad... it is a very racist term. It has been so for decades. It certainly isn't something to make light of. What the hell do you think there is to joke about? I doubt you'd be apeing it in the same way if he'd said 'make a run on the niggers' would you?

LOL...Guis, who are you to judge anyone on anything. That's the point I've been trying to make. Then when people start to call you on it you call for help?!!

People here at CC often pm me and tell me they're tired of your accusations and innuendos against them.

Sorry luns, but i couldn't let this one pass. If you had said someone PMed you with said complaint, i would have had to ask who the hell is the whining titmonkey that would do such a thing. For you to say however, that people "often" PM you with such sniveling tripe, is something that stops me in my tracks and makes me go WHATTHEFUCK!?! Are you the CC Dear Abby now? Why would anyone PM you with such crap? What are you doing to encourage this litany of tears? If Guiscard's occasional random racist accusations are drawing this kind of response, God knows what kind of fan mail i'm getting in your inbox. Signed, ROTFLMFAO.

Believe what you want...can't stop you.

[Guiscard]

... I like Guiscard rather much, actually. Sure, he called me a dick, but I've been called much worse.

... Always I look forward to his posts, and Stopper's as well.

... Nothing here is personal. I enjoy reading other folks' expressions of what they think, and how they got there.

... We probably disagree on several things, but I'm alright with that. I am not concerned with being right all the time. In fact, I am glad to learn a few things even if it means being shown to be wrong, and the temporary embarrassment that might entail.

... Nobody here in these forums is going to have their basic opinions and views much altered. The best we can hope for is to introduce a few ideas to make people think and to pick up a few ideas to think about along the way.

... Anyway, that is my view on the topic.... NOW! I started this thread, dammit! Back on topic!!

... I was surprised to hear that some (cannot recall.. was it 3?) of those involved in the recent terrorist plots are medical doctors.

...

Good post

Back on topic, then, it is indeed, on the surface, a bit shocking to here some of the people involved in the plots were doctors, but then again I think it would ne naiive to think the radicalisation of Islam was only going to affect yopung single men. These people had families, had children, but they also had extreme political views, to which you can't scream 'oh the humanity... how can he do that as a father!'... It isn't neccessarily shocking when you consider that these men are educated, obviously very capable and comitted to their cause - just the kind of guy you'd want as a extremist Muslims terror cell. It is very worrying that someone who works to save lives would endager so many by colluding in such violence, however, but at least we can see that the authorities cracked down on these guys straight away, on an international scale (there have been arrests made in Australia I think)... The terror situation in the UK involves a few hundred extremists categorised into three levels - those who the police think will do something soon, may do something in the future or have a small chance of doing something. I think the figure in the paper reckoned about 700 people ion total. We cannot watch them all with our current resources, and so people slip through the net - just as these people did.

[Iz Man]

I'd say I've copped far more personal insults than I've dished out... In the American thread iz repeatedly posted a scenario in which he had me mugges and beaten for being a liberal pussy(as just one example), so I really think giving me a ticking off about crrecting peoples views with which I disagree is a little rich.

Well then, that's equally wrong. I've tried my best not to hurl insults against others, including you. I have used sarcasm in other threads in an attempt to get your attention (and others) that I'm tired of not having the same respect given to pro-America, Christian, or politically conservative positions that you would want to receive in kind. Disagreement is fine...but I really feel like our points in general are not even given serious consideration.

For the record:

Mugger: *punches Guis in face*
Guis: "I'm sorry sir, did I offend you in some way?"
Mugger: *punches Guis in face*
Guis: "Please sir, I'm sorry I have offended you. Is there a way you could help me understand why you have all this hate for me?"
Mugger: *punches Guis twice in the face and laughs at him*
Guis: "I really believe we can reach some common ground here. I just want to be freinds. Perhaps I should give you some of my money."
Mugger: *punches Guis 3 times & kicks him in the forehead*
Guis: "OK, that's starting to hurt. I really would prefer that you stop hurting me. I just want to understand you; I really really want to be your friend. Can we maybe go over there under that tree, sip some tea, and peruse my Thesaurus? I use it all the time when I post on the web"
Mugger: *Beats Guis to a oozing blob of sobbing pulp to the ground*

As you can see, The Almighty in this scenario was not mugged & beaten for being a liberal pussy. He was just mugged & beaten. Being a "liberal pussy" (his words, not mine) had nothing to do with it. The topic, to put it in context, was about appeasing terrorists. The Almighty apparently still does not understand this appeasement analogy, which strikes me odd; afterall, he is......well....... The Almighty.

At the end of the day I just like a good argument. If you don't want to listen then ignore my posts or take it to flame wars.

That's the sad part. You're obviously a person of intelligence. You take the time to study and I'm sure you're very eager to share that with others here. Perhaps you could take on the attitude of helping people understand things instead of "you're wrong...how could you think that way". But it's your choice on how you want to be viewed. Perhaps this thread has opened your eyes a little. If you were some punk kid adolescent spouting off nonsense I wouldn't give 2 rips about you, Guis. But you're not a kid and I feel what you have to say is interesting...MINUS THE ATTITUDE!

Agreed with 2 exceptions:
1) The Almighty is not eager to share his thoughts with others here. Its all about "I'm right and you're wrong"
2) Because of exception 1, he has made what he wants to say not interesting.

Sorry Nobunaga, just 2 more pennies of mine thrown in the pot. I'll go back to the topic.

Now to quote The Almighty:

Case closed.

[Nobunaga]

... GORDON BROWN: "DON'T SAY TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS" (that's click-able)

There is clearly a need to strike a consensual tone in relation to all communities across the UK. It is important that the country remains united.

... There's nothing racist about making the association, is there?

... These guys worldwide trying to kill masses of innocents in the name of Allah, what do they have in common?

.... They all wear white shoes? ... no.

... They all have beards? ... no.

... They all have subscriptions to Time Magazine? .... no.

... Are all Muslims terrorists? ... no.

... Are they all Quakers? ... no.

... But, what is the one thing they all have in common? ... Think about it.

...
... I just don't get it. Honestly, I think I should keep my mouth shut with matters concerning the UK in many cases (never been there), but I need this one explained to me. And the US has the negative potential to move politically in a similar direction, which is cause for my concern.

...

[Guiscard]

... GORDON BROWN: "DON'T SAY TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS" (that's click-able)

There is clearly a need to strike a consensual tone in relation to all communities across the UK. It is important that the country remains united.

... There's nothing racist about making the association, is there?

... These guys worldwide trying to kill masses of innocents in the name of Allah, what do they have in common?

.... They all wear white shoes? ... no.

... They all have beards? ... no.

... They all have subscriptions to Time Magazine? .... no.

... Are all Muslims terrorists? ... no.

... Are they all Quakers? ... no.

... But, what is the one thing they all have in common? ... Think about it.

...
... I just don't get it. Honestly, I think I should keep my mouth shut with matters concerning the UK in many cases (never been there), but I need this one explained to me. And the US has the negative potential to move politically in a similar direction, which is cause for my concern.

...

This makes a lot of sense to me. It is nothing to do with racism. One of the major issues with the Muslim community is that they feel isolated and excluded by people referring to 'Muslims blowing up things' or whatever. What we need at this time, more than ever before, is a Muslims community who feels integrated, wanted and one that does not feel automatically suspect. He's not saying that saying Muslim Terrorists is racist, but repeatedly stressing the faith of those extremists when you really don't need to will just increase the jingoistic opinions and prejudices of certain parts of our community. One of the reasons young Muslim men do get radicalised is that they feel that Islam as a whole is being attacked. Constantly using the term 'Muslim terrorists' or just 'Muslims' when discussing the topic only re-enforces that feeling, whether that is a reflection on reality or not, so to me this seems like a very sensible thing.

And I wouldn't say the Express is a great paper for getting a balanced view, or even a truthful one. Its a tabloid rag.