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Evolution and Communism: The missing link

Postby unriggable on Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:50 pm

Evolution and Communism

Another interesting facet of history is the connection between evolution and communism. With communism the struggle of "race" is replaced by the struggle of "class" as history is viewed as an evolutionary struggle.

Both Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were evolutionists before they encountered Darwin's "The Origin of Species" - (Dec 12, 1859) Engels wrote to Marx: "Darwin who I am now reading, is splendid" (Morris 1989, 83 quoting Zirkle). Like Darwin, "Marx thought he had discovered the law of development. He saw history in stages, as the Darwinists saw geological strata and successive forms of life... In keeping with the feelings of the age, both Marx and Darwin made struggle the means of development" (Morris 1989, 83 quoting Borzin). "There was truth in Engel's eulogy on Marx: 'Just as Darwin had discovered the law of evolution in organic nature so Marx discovered the law of evolution in human history'" (Morris 1989, 83 quoting Himmelfarb).

"It is commonplace that Marx felt his own work to be the exact parallel of Darwin's. He even wished to dedicate a portion of Das Kapital to the author of The Origin of Species" (Morris 1989, 83 quoting Barzum). Indeed, Marx wished to dedicate parts of his famous book to Darwin but "Darwin 'declined the honor' because, he wrote to Marx, he did not know the work, he did not believe that direct attacks on religion advanced the cause of free thought, and finally because he did not want to upset 'some members of my family'" (Morris 1989, 83 quoting Jorafsky).

Other Soviet Communist leaders are evolutionists as well. Lenin, Trostsky, and Stalin were all atheistic evolutionists. A soviet think tank founded in 1963 developed a one-semester course in "Scientific Atheism" which was introduced in 1964. Also, a case can be made that Darwinism was influential in propagating communism in China.

Interestingly, according to Morris, Stephen Jay Gould of Harvard University, the co-founder of the punctuated equilibrium theory of evolution is a Marxist in philosophy, along with other distinguished Harvard evolutionary scientists and university professors across the country. One has to ask - could a person espouse the Marxist view and tolerate creationism?


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Postby hecter on Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:52 pm

Okay. What does that have to do with anything?
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Postby kwanton on Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:56 pm

My complaint about evolution and communism
I've written many letters about evolution and communism's brusque, anal-retentive stratagems. Maybe it's wrong to fixate so much on this one topic, but I assure you that my arguments are not wrong. Here's the story: Evolution and communism has a strategy. Its strategy is to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels. Wherever you encounter that strategy, you are dealing with evolution and communism. Evolution and communism must sense its own irremediable inferiority. That's why it is so desperate to waste natural resources; it's the only way for it to distinguish themselves from the herd. It would be a lot nicer, however, if evolution and communism also realized that to believe that all minorities are poor, stupid ghetto trash is to deceive ourselves. The facts as I see them simply do not support the false, but widely accepted, notion that the best way to serve one's country is to cultivate an unhealthy sense of victimhood.

Evolution and communism may have the right to hamstring our efforts to enlighten the mind of Man and improve him as a rational, moral, and social being. It may have the right to dispense outright misinformation and flashlight-under-the-chin ghost stories. But evolution and communism crosses the line when it uses its bully pulpit to break down traditional values. This is not wild speculation. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is documented fact. Don't let yourself be persuaded by snooty, rude evolution and communism clones who secretly want to reduce our modern, civilized, industrialized society to a state of mindless, primitive barbarism. Evolution and communism's true goal is to give voice, in a totally emotional and non-rational way, to its deep-rooted love of exhibitionism. All the statements that its bedfellows make to justify or downplay that goal are only apologetics; they do nothing to help people break free of evolution and communism's cycle of oppression.

Please don't misinterpret that last statement to mean that everyone and everything discriminates against evolution and communism -- including the writing on the bathroom stalls. That's not at all what it means. Rather, it means that teetotalism is, at its core, an unholy system that seeks to sully a profession that's already held in low esteem. Nevertheless, I can state with absolute certainty that it may seem difficult at first to appeal for comity between us and evolution and communism. It is. But pessimism is dangerous. Evolution and communism's voluble version of it is doubly so.

Evolution and communism fervently believes that it is not only acceptable, but indeed desirable, to lay all of society open to the predations of organized criminality. This shows that it is not merely mistaken about one little fact among millions of facts but that one of the things I find quite interesting is listening to other people's takes on things. For instance, I recently overheard some folks remark that if we let evolution and communism reward mediocrity, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. If there is one truth in this world, it's that evolution and communism is completely unaware of the difference between a correlation and a causation. If that fact hurts, get over it; it's called reality. And for another dose of reality, consider that I want to give people more information about evolution and communism, help them digest and assimilate and understand that information, and help them draw responsible conclusions from it. Here's one conclusion I definitely hope people draw: There is a simple answer to the question of what to do about evolution and communism's insults. The difficult part is in implementing the answer. The answer is that we must take off the kid gloves and vent some real anger at evolution and communism. Here's a question for you: To what gods does evolution and communism pledge allegiance? The gods of adversarialism and antinomianism? The gods that seem most likely to command evolution and communism to poke and pry into every facet of our lives? The thermonuclear gods sitting in reinforced silos waiting for doomsday? This is an important question because if it thinks that it can make me roll over and play dead, then it's barking up the wrong tree.

Often, the lure of an articulate new pundit, a well-financed attention-getting program, an effective audience generator, hot new "inside" information, or a professionally produced exposƩ is irresistible to impolitic, unambitious pinheads who want to reduce religion to a consumer item in a spiritual supermarket. I don't mean to condemn anyone's beliefs, but evolution and communism and its foot soldiers are, by nature, irritating gits. Not only can that nature not be changed by window-dressing or persiflage, but I can clearly suggest how evolution and communism ought to behave. Ultimately, however, the burden of acting with moral rectitude lies with evolution and communism itself. What if we collectively just told evolution and communism's serfs, "Sure, go ahead and corrupt our youth. Have fun!"? That would be worse than aberrent; it would shift blame from those who benefit from oppression to those who suffer from it.

And if you think that genocide, slavery, racism, and the systematic oppression, degradation, and exploitation of most of the world's people are all entirely justified, then you aren't thinking very clearly. Yes, evolution and communism may be nothing more than a disposable tool of power-wielding, loathsome scamps, but it is trying to brainwash us. It wants us to believe that it's politically incorrect to offer true constructive criticism -- listening to the whole issue, recognizing the problems, recognizing what is being done right, and getting involved to help remedy the problem -- and that's boring; that's not cool. You know what I think of that, don't you? I think that deep down, evolution and communism knows that I'm right. No joke. Evolution and communism's fairy tales are dangerous to the health of a democracy. To pretend otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and unwillingness to face the more unpleasant realities of life.

Evolution and communism's arguments would be a lot more effective if they were at least accurate or intelligent, not just a load of bull for the sake of being controversial. The only way that we can fight evolution and communism, the only way we can beat it, is to change the world for the better. Am I aware of how evolution and communism will react when it reads that last sentence? Yes. Do I care? No, because there is one crucial fact that we must not overlook if we are to perceive our current situation as it is, rather than in the anamorphosis of some "ideology" such as anti-intellectualism or immoralism. Specifically, some frowzy, brutal ex-cons are actually considering helping evolution and communism impose crazy new restrictions on society just to satisfy some sort of vexatious drive for power. How quickly such people forget that they were lied to, made fun of, and ridiculed by evolution and communism on numerous occasions.

We must worry about two classes of mutinous skinheads: passive-aggressive and narrow-minded. Evolution and communism is among the former. Whenever there's an argument about evolution and communism's devotion to principles and to freedom, all one has to do is point out that evolution and communism's whinges epitomize our most avaricious instincts. That should settle the argument pretty quickly.

Who among you reading these words is not moved to hammer out solutions on the anvil of discourse? Do you really think evolution and communism will ever learn from its mistakes? I won't pull any punches here: That fact is simply inescapable to any thinking man or woman. "Thinking" is the key word in the previous sentence. The first thing we need to do is to get evolution and communism to admit that it has a problem. It should be counseled to recite the following:

I, evolution and communism, am a primitive conspiracy theorist.
I have been a participant in a giant scheme to concoct a version of reality that fully contradicts real life.
I hereby admit my addiction to incendiarism. I ask for the strength and wisdom to fight this addiction.
Once evolution and communism realizes that it has a problem, maybe then it'll see that today, we might have let it cause people to betray one another and hate one another. Tomorrow, we won't. Instead, we will develop an alternative community, a cohesive and comprehensive underground with a charter to initiate meaningful change.

By the way, evolution and communism's latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are occasionally entertaining, but certainly not informative. The practical struggle which now begins, sketched in broad outlines, takes the following course: Evolution and communism yields to the mammalian desire to assert individuality by attracting attention. Unfortunately, for evolution and communism, "attract attention" usually implies "provide dim-witted conspiracies with the necessary asylum to take root and spread". Does evolution and communism actually think its arguments through, or does it just chug along on its computer writing about whatever trite expostulations happen to suit its needs that day? I ask, because this is a free country, and I feel we ought to keep it that way. No matter how much talk and analysis occurs, evolution and communism's supporters are too lazy to provide a positive, confident, and assertive vision of humanity's future and our role in it. They just want to sit back, fasten their mouths on the public teats, and casually forget that if you read evolution and communism's writings while mentally out of focus, you may get the sense that evolution and communism has mystical powers of divination and prophecy. But if you read its writings while mentally in focus and weigh each point carefully, it's clear that when a friend wants to drive inebriated, you try to stop him. Well, evolution and communism is drunk with power, which is why we must carve solutions that are neither polyloquent nor antihumanist. In closing, although this letter has been lengthy there are still a large number of comments about evolution and communism that I have had to leave aside. I didn't even begin to mention, for instance, that evolution and communism works from the false assumption that most people actually want longiloquent crooks to set up dissident groups and individuals for conspiracy charges and then carry out searches and seizures on flimsy pretexts. Anyway, the important point is that even if evolution and communism's ruses were completely successful in making a few people feel better, they would still be demeaning to everyone else.
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Postby hecter on Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:58 pm

Ha ha ha ha!! I remember that, but I can't remember the site! :x
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Postby kwanton on Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:08 am

http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

lol I never remember either so I just google it.
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Postby Anarchist on Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:54 am

LMAO, took me a bit to figure out it was a joke, kept looking for the damn point.

What do quixotic, superstitious headcases, oleaginous survivalists, and Capitalism have in common? If you answered, "They all support international crime while purporting to oppose it," then pat yourself on the back. As this letter will make clear, Capitalism keeps insisting that it never engages in self-aggrandizing, psychotic, or filthy politics. To me, there is something fundamentally wrong with that story. Maybe it's that Capitalism argues that children don't need as much psychological attentiveness, protection, and obedience training as the treasured household pet. I wish I could suggest some incontrovertible chain of apodictic reasoning that would overcome this argument, but the best I can do is the following: Whenever anyone states the obvious -- that it is undeniable by anyone but larcenous ruffians that its loyalists explain everything through the lens of its naive and ideologically loaded demands -- discussion naturally progresses towards the question, "Why can't we simply agree to disagree?" Apparently, even know-it-all Capitalism doesn't know the answer to that one. It wouldn't even matter if it did, given that the first thing we need to do is to get it to admit that it has a problem. Capitalism should be counseled to recite the following:

I, Capitalism, am an unpleasant sod.
I have been a participant in a giant scheme to advocate unsophisticated ruses.
I hereby admit my addiction to McCarthyism. I ask for the strength and wisdom to fight this addiction.
Once Capitalism realizes that it has a problem, maybe then it'll see that if it truly believes that it is beyond reproach, then maybe it should enroll in Introduction to Reality 101. In a tacit concession of defeat, Capitalism is now openly calling for the abridgment of various freedoms to accomplish coercively what its spiteful declamations have failed at. Capitalism is known for walking into crowded rooms and telling everyone there that arriving at a true state of comprehension is too difficult and/or time-consuming. Try, if you can, to concoct a statement better calculated to show how grumpy Capitalism is. You can't do it. Not only that, but if it got its way, it'd be able to strap us down with a network of rules and regulations. Brrrr! It sends chills down my spine just thinking about that. That reminds me: It's Capitalism's belief that my letters demonstrate a desire to form the association in the public's mind between any scribblings it disagrees with and the ideas of hate and violence and illegality. I can't understand how anyone could go from anything I ever wrote to such a capricious idea. In fact, my letters generally make the diametrically opposite claim, that Capitalism's head is so far in rectal defilade it would require major surgery to extricate it. It follows from this that it finds reality too difficult to swallow. Or maybe it just gets lost between the sports and entertainment pages. In either case, knowledge is the key that unlocks the shackles of bondage. That's why it's important for you to know that a person with a functioning brain does not batten on the credulity of the ignorant. I always catch hell whenever I say something like that, so let me assure you that it likes to cite poll results that "prove" that we're supposed to shut up and smile when it says antihumanist, slaphappy things. Really? Have you ever been contacted by one of its pollsters? Chances are good that you never have been contacted and never will be. Otherwise, the polls would show that we must get my message about Capitalism out to the world if we are ever to do something good for others. Yes, this is a bold, audacious, even unprecedented undertaking. Yes, it lacks any realistic guarantee of success. However, it is an undertaking that we must decidedly pursue because Capitalism and its allies are mean-spirited scamps. This is not set down in complaint against them, but merely as analysis.

The notion that Capitalism can be reformed into an upright and honorable organization may be a pleasant and attractive thought. But people who believe that this can happen should ask it of Santa Claus, in whom they doubtless also believe. When Capitalism says that antidisestablishmentarianism is the key to world peace, in its mind, that's supposed to end the argument. It's like it believes it has said something very profound. Capitalism is devoid of all social conscience. Ergo, Capitalism's older obiter dicta were feeble-minded enough. Its latest ones are definitely beyond the pale. Capitalism is terrified that there might be an absolute reality outside itself, a reality that is what it is, regardless of its wishes, theories, hopes, daydreams, or decrees.

If you think about it, one of the things I find quite interesting is listening to other people's takes on things. For instance, I recently overheard some folks remark that crime unpunished is crime rewarded. How much more illumination does that fact need before Capitalism can grasp it? Assuming the answer is "a substantial amount", let me point out that it is no exaggeration to say that as soon as Capitalism's trained seals, who are legion, open new avenues for the expression of hate, they will have destroyed the basis for their own existence. To pretend otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and unwillingness to face the more unpleasant realities of life. Nowhere in the Bible does it say, "I'm too demented to make Capitalism pay for its crimes against humanity". It is tempting to look for simple solutions to that problem, but there are no simple solutions. Perhaps one day we will live in a world where good people are not troubled by fear of the worst classes of callow hackers there are. Until that day arrives, however, we must spread the word that Capitalism's theories always follow the same pattern. It puts the desired twist on the actual facts, ignores inconvenient facts, and invents as many new "facts" as necessary to convince us that character development is not a matter of "strength through adversity" but rather, "entitlement through victimization". Now that this letter has come to an end, I indubitably hope you walk away from it realizing that Capitalism's philippics are made of the same spirit that accounts for the majority of the problems we face in this world.
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Postby Minister Masket on Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:30 am

kwanton wrote:My complaint about evolution and communism
I've written many letters about evolution and communism's brusque, anal-retentive stratagems. Maybe it's wrong to fixate so much on this one topic, but I assure you that my arguments are not wrong. Here's the story: Evolution and communism has a strategy. Its strategy is to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels. Wherever you encounter that strategy, you are dealing with evolution and communism. Evolution and communism must sense its own irremediable inferiority. That's why it is so desperate to waste natural resources; it's the only way for it to distinguish themselves from the herd. It would be a lot nicer, however, if evolution and communism also realized that to believe that all minorities are poor, stupid ghetto trash is to deceive ourselves. The facts as I see them simply do not support the false, but widely accepted, notion that the best way to serve one's country is to cultivate an unhealthy sense of victimhood.

Evolution and communism may have the right to hamstring our efforts to enlighten the mind of Man and improve him as a rational, moral, and social being. It may have the right to dispense outright misinformation and flashlight-under-the-chin ghost stories. But evolution and communism crosses the line when it uses its bully pulpit to break down traditional values. This is not wild speculation. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is documented fact. Don't let yourself be persuaded by snooty, rude evolution and communism clones who secretly want to reduce our modern, civilized, industrialized society to a state of mindless, primitive barbarism. Evolution and communism's true goal is to give voice, in a totally emotional and non-rational way, to its deep-rooted love of exhibitionism. All the statements that its bedfellows make to justify or downplay that goal are only apologetics; they do nothing to help people break free of evolution and communism's cycle of oppression.

Please don't misinterpret that last statement to mean that everyone and everything discriminates against evolution and communism -- including the writing on the bathroom stalls. That's not at all what it means. Rather, it means that teetotalism is, at its core, an unholy system that seeks to sully a profession that's already held in low esteem. Nevertheless, I can state with absolute certainty that it may seem difficult at first to appeal for comity between us and evolution and communism. It is. But pessimism is dangerous. Evolution and communism's voluble version of it is doubly so.

Evolution and communism fervently believes that it is not only acceptable, but indeed desirable, to lay all of society open to the predations of organized criminality. This shows that it is not merely mistaken about one little fact among millions of facts but that one of the things I find quite interesting is listening to other people's takes on things. For instance, I recently overheard some folks remark that if we let evolution and communism reward mediocrity, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. If there is one truth in this world, it's that evolution and communism is completely unaware of the difference between a correlation and a causation. If that fact hurts, get over it; it's called reality. And for another dose of reality, consider that I want to give people more information about evolution and communism, help them digest and assimilate and understand that information, and help them draw responsible conclusions from it. Here's one conclusion I definitely hope people draw: There is a simple answer to the question of what to do about evolution and communism's insults. The difficult part is in implementing the answer. The answer is that we must take off the kid gloves and vent some real anger at evolution and communism. Here's a question for you: To what gods does evolution and communism pledge allegiance? The gods of adversarialism and antinomianism? The gods that seem most likely to command evolution and communism to poke and pry into every facet of our lives? The thermonuclear gods sitting in reinforced silos waiting for doomsday? This is an important question because if it thinks that it can make me roll over and play dead, then it's barking up the wrong tree.

Often, the lure of an articulate new pundit, a well-financed attention-getting program, an effective audience generator, hot new "inside" information, or a professionally produced exposƩ is irresistible to impolitic, unambitious pinheads who want to reduce religion to a consumer item in a spiritual supermarket. I don't mean to condemn anyone's beliefs, but evolution and communism and its foot soldiers are, by nature, irritating gits. Not only can that nature not be changed by window-dressing or persiflage, but I can clearly suggest how evolution and communism ought to behave. Ultimately, however, the burden of acting with moral rectitude lies with evolution and communism itself. What if we collectively just told evolution and communism's serfs, "Sure, go ahead and corrupt our youth. Have fun!"? That would be worse than aberrent; it would shift blame from those who benefit from oppression to those who suffer from it.

And if you think that genocide, slavery, racism, and the systematic oppression, degradation, and exploitation of most of the world's people are all entirely justified, then you aren't thinking very clearly. Yes, evolution and communism may be nothing more than a disposable tool of power-wielding, loathsome scamps, but it is trying to brainwash us. It wants us to believe that it's politically incorrect to offer true constructive criticism -- listening to the whole issue, recognizing the problems, recognizing what is being done right, and getting involved to help remedy the problem -- and that's boring; that's not cool. You know what I think of that, don't you? I think that deep down, evolution and communism knows that I'm right. No joke. Evolution and communism's fairy tales are dangerous to the health of a democracy. To pretend otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and unwillingness to face the more unpleasant realities of life.

Evolution and communism's arguments would be a lot more effective if they were at least accurate or intelligent, not just a load of bull for the sake of being controversial. The only way that we can fight evolution and communism, the only way we can beat it, is to change the world for the better. Am I aware of how evolution and communism will react when it reads that last sentence? Yes. Do I care? No, because there is one crucial fact that we must not overlook if we are to perceive our current situation as it is, rather than in the anamorphosis of some "ideology" such as anti-intellectualism or immoralism. Specifically, some frowzy, brutal ex-cons are actually considering helping evolution and communism impose crazy new restrictions on society just to satisfy some sort of vexatious drive for power. How quickly such people forget that they were lied to, made fun of, and ridiculed by evolution and communism on numerous occasions.

We must worry about two classes of mutinous skinheads: passive-aggressive and narrow-minded. Evolution and communism is among the former. Whenever there's an argument about evolution and communism's devotion to principles and to freedom, all one has to do is point out that evolution and communism's whinges epitomize our most avaricious instincts. That should settle the argument pretty quickly.

Who among you reading these words is not moved to hammer out solutions on the anvil of discourse? Do you really think evolution and communism will ever learn from its mistakes? I won't pull any punches here: That fact is simply inescapable to any thinking man or woman. "Thinking" is the key word in the previous sentence. The first thing we need to do is to get evolution and communism to admit that it has a problem. It should be counseled to recite the following:

I, evolution and communism, am a primitive conspiracy theorist.
I have been a participant in a giant scheme to concoct a version of reality that fully contradicts real life.
I hereby admit my addiction to incendiarism. I ask for the strength and wisdom to fight this addiction.
Once evolution and communism realizes that it has a problem, maybe then it'll see that today, we might have let it cause people to betray one another and hate one another. Tomorrow, we won't. Instead, we will develop an alternative community, a cohesive and comprehensive underground with a charter to initiate meaningful change.

By the way, evolution and communism's latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are occasionally entertaining, but certainly not informative. The practical struggle which now begins, sketched in broad outlines, takes the following course: Evolution and communism yields to the mammalian desire to assert individuality by attracting attention. Unfortunately, for evolution and communism, "attract attention" usually implies "provide dim-witted conspiracies with the necessary asylum to take root and spread". Does evolution and communism actually think its arguments through, or does it just chug along on its computer writing about whatever trite expostulations happen to suit its needs that day? I ask, because this is a free country, and I feel we ought to keep it that way. No matter how much talk and analysis occurs, evolution and communism's supporters are too lazy to provide a positive, confident, and assertive vision of humanity's future and our role in it. They just want to sit back, fasten their mouths on the public teats, and casually forget that if you read evolution and communism's writings while mentally out of focus, you may get the sense that evolution and communism has mystical powers of divination and prophecy. But if you read its writings while mentally in focus and weigh each point carefully, it's clear that when a friend wants to drive inebriated, you try to stop him. Well, evolution and communism is drunk with power, which is why we must carve solutions that are neither polyloquent nor antihumanist. In closing, although this letter has been lengthy there are still a large number of comments about evolution and communism that I have had to leave aside. I didn't even begin to mention, for instance, that evolution and communism works from the false assumption that most people actually want longiloquent crooks to set up dissident groups and individuals for conspiracy charges and then carry out searches and seizures on flimsy pretexts. Anyway, the important point is that even if evolution and communism's ruses were completely successful in making a few people feel better, they would still be demeaning to everyone else.

WHY?
Do you really think I'm going to read something this long?
I have much better things to do with my time than listen to your ramblings.
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Postby Balsiefen on Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:44 am

Minister Masket wrote:WHY?
Do you really think I'm going to read something this long?
I have much better things to do with my time than listen to your ramblings.


O Rly?

I'm not an activist, and I'm not a cynic. I'm just a person who wants to build a new understanding that can transport us to tomorrow. As this letter will make clear, someone just showed me a memo supposedly written by Mr. Minister Masket. The memo spells out his plans to sue people at random. If this memo is authentic, it tells us that it's hard to fathom just how stinking Mr. Minister Masket is. He vehemently denies that, of course. But he obviously would, because I must part company with many of my peers when it comes to understanding why I regard him the way I would the sort of stinking filth I might have to clean off my boots after a careless walk in a dog kennel. My peers insist that there must be justice for all of us or there will be peace for none. While this is doubtlessly true, I believe we must add that every time he tries, Mr. Minister Masket gets increasingly successful in his attempts to make our lives miserable. This dangerous trend means not only death for free thought, but for imagination as well. One other thing: Mr. Minister Masket does not merely place pudibund underachievers at the top of the social hierarchy. He does so consciously, deliberately, willfully, and methodically.

None but the self-serving can deny that I want to make this clear, so that those who do not understand deeper messages embedded within sarcastic irony -- and you know who I'm referring to -- can process my point. Mr. Minister Masket's hirelings think that "Mr. Minister Masket commands an army of robots that live in the hollow center of the earth and produce earthquakes whenever they feel like shaking things up a bit on the surface." First off, that's a lousy sentence. If they had written that Mr. Minister Masket's hypocrisy comes out when he denies that he surrounds himself with impetuous drug lords, then that quote would have had more validity. As it stands, Mr. Minister Masket intends to create a new social class. Testy evil-doers, ignominious chiselers, and the most ugly witlings you'll ever see will be given aristocratic status. The rest of us will be forced into serving as their gofers.

Mr. Minister Masket has completely stepped off the deep end. That being the case, we can infer that ever since Mr. Minister Masket decided to use cheap, intemperate propaganda to arouse the passions of virulent spielers, his consistent, unvarying line has been that he is the one who will lead us to our great shining future. We can't just sit around and do nothing -- and Mr. Minister Masket knows it. Pardon my saying so, but I want to thank him for his smear tactics. They give me an excellent opportunity to illustrate just how pernicious Mr. Minister Masket can be.

Mr. Minister Masket is like a broken record, using the same tired cliches about family and education and safer streets, yet he is too dotty to read the writing on the wall. This writing warns that he possesses no significant intellectual skills whatsoever and has no interest in erudition. Heck, he can't even spell or define "erudition", much less achieve it. Some would say that this is a platitude. Would that it were! Rather, even his helpers are afraid that he will besmirch the memory of some genuine historic figures within a short period of time. I have seen their fear manifested over and over again, and it is further evidence that Mr. Minister Masket doesn't want us to know about his plans to tell everyone else what to do. Otherwise, we might do something about that.

Once again, many people are shocked when I tell them that all of the anxious sighing, longing, and hoping of Mr. Minister Masket's heart is directed to a time when uppity schmucks can extirpate the very things that I cherish. And I'm shocked that so many people are shocked. You see, I had thought everybody already knew that if you ever ask Mr. Minister Masket to do something, you can bet that your request will get lost in the shuffle, unaddressed, ignored, and rebuffed. He frequently engages in violent fantasies involving malignant, audacious snollygosters of one sort or another. What's my problem, then? Allow me to present it in the form of a question: When he promotes one social program after the next to take care of some segment of society, is he doing it for that segment of society or is he doing it because he seeks power and position? Well, I'm sure Mr. Minister Masket would rather raise extortionate demands than answer that particular question.

Those who get involved with Mr. Minister Masket's grotesque intimates are seldom aware of Mr. Minister Masket's dealings with the worst classes of grumpy insurrectionists there are, but I won't linger on that. Mr. Minister Masket's cause is not glorious. It is not wonderful. It is not good. Because we have the determination to see the truth prevail, we must never forget that Mr. Minister Masket has, at times, called me "tactless" or "disorderly". Such contemptuous name-calling has passed far beyond the stage of being infantile but harmless. It has the capacity to violate strongly held principles regarding deferral of current satisfaction for long-term gains.

While you or I might find it natural to want to justify condemnation, constructive criticism, and ridicule of Mr. Minister Masket and his crude tracts, I recently informed him that his underlings rot our minds with the hallucinatory drug of imperialism. Mr. Minister Masket said he'd "look further into the matter." Well, not too much further; after all, if his lapdogs had even an ounce of integrity, they would reach out for things with permanence, things beyond wealth and comfort and pleasure, things that have real meaning. With his inclinations hanging over us like the Sword of Damocles, it makes sense that if he bites me, I will bite back. If Mr. Minister Masket makes fun of me or insults me, I hear it, and it hurts. But I take solace in the fact that I am still able to clean up the country and get it back on course again.

The essential point, however, is the following: Mr. Minister Masket's commentaries cannot stand on their own merit. That's why they're dependent on elaborate artifices and explanatory stories to convince us that everything is happy and fine and good. Mr. Minister Masket's paroxysms are not the solution to our problem. They are the problem. Certain facts are clear. For instance, Mr. Minister Masket twists every argument into some sort of "struggle" between two parties. Mr. Minister Masket unvaryingly constitutes the underdog party, which is what he claims gives him the right to bowdlerize all unfavorable descriptions of his strictures. In general, he keeps insisting that skin color means more than skill and gender is more impressive than genius. To me, there is something fundamentally wrong with that story. Maybe it's that Mr. Minister Masket wants to be the one who determines what information we have access to. Yet he is also a big proponent of a particularly ruthless form of pharisaism. Do you see something wrong with that picture? What I see is that Mr. Minister Masket's reasoning is circular and therefore invalid. In other words, he always begins an argument with his conclusion (e.g., that he has achieved sainthood) and therefore -- not surprisingly -- he always arrives at that very conclusion. Mr. Minister Masket's lies come in many forms. Some of his lies are in the form of machinations. Others are in the form of revenge fantasies. Still more are in the form of folksy posturing and pretended concern and compassion.

Mr. Minister Masket proclaims at every opportunity that he'd never destroy the heart and fabric of our nation. The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. Please don't misinterpret that last statement to mean that national-security interests can and should be sidestepped whenever his personal interests are at stake. That's not at all what it means. Rather, it means that I believe I have finally figured out what makes people like him support hostile governments known for human rights abuses, wrongful imprisonment, and slavery. It appears to be a combination of an overactive mind, lack of common sense, assurance of one's own moral propriety, and a total lack of exposure to the real world.

Let me quote to you from the words of my attorney: "I have nothing more to say on that issue." Even though Mr. Minister Masket presents a public face that avoids overt clericalism, he holds onto power like the eunuch mandarins of the Forbidden City -- sterile obstacles to progress who till the flagitious side of the particularism garden. Rhetoric aside, he just reported that everything he says is completely and absolutely true. Do you think that that's merely sloppy reporting on Mr. Minister Masket's part? I don't. I think that it's a deliberate attempt to dominate or intimidate others. This is far from all I have to say on the topic, but it's certainly enough for now. Just remember one thing: Some deep void within Mr. Minister Masket makes it necessary for him to shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to convenience-store size.
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Postby diddle on Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:45 am

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Minister Masket wrote:WHY?
Do you really think I'm going to read something this long?
I have much better things to do with my time than listen to your ramblings.


O Rly?

I'm not an activist, and I'm not a cynic. I'm just a person who wants to build a new understanding that can transport us to tomorrow. As this letter will make clear, someone just showed me a memo supposedly written by Mr. Minister Masket. The memo spells out his plans to sue people at random. If this memo is authentic, it tells us that it's hard to fathom just how stinking Mr. Minister Masket is. He vehemently denies that, of course. But he obviously would, because I must part company with many of my peers when it comes to understanding why I regard him the way I would the sort of stinking filth I might have to clean off my boots after a careless walk in a dog kennel. My peers insist that there must be justice for all of us or there will be peace for none. While this is doubtlessly true, I believe we must add that every time he tries, Mr. Minister Masket gets increasingly successful in his attempts to make our lives miserable. This dangerous trend means not only death for free thought, but for imagination as well. One other thing: Mr. Minister Masket does not merely place pudibund underachievers at the top of the social hierarchy. He does so consciously, deliberately, willfully, and methodically.

None but the self-serving can deny that I want to make this clear, so that those who do not understand deeper messages embedded within sarcastic irony -- and you know who I'm referring to -- can process my point. Mr. Minister Masket's hirelings think that "Mr. Minister Masket commands an army of robots that live in the hollow center of the earth and produce earthquakes whenever they feel like shaking things up a bit on the surface." First off, that's a lousy sentence. If they had written that Mr. Minister Masket's hypocrisy comes out when he denies that he surrounds himself with impetuous drug lords, then that quote would have had more validity. As it stands, Mr. Minister Masket intends to create a new social class. Testy evil-doers, ignominious chiselers, and the most ugly witlings you'll ever see will be given aristocratic status. The rest of us will be forced into serving as their gofers.

Mr. Minister Masket has completely stepped off the deep end. That being the case, we can infer that ever since Mr. Minister Masket decided to use cheap, intemperate propaganda to arouse the passions of virulent spielers, his consistent, unvarying line has been that he is the one who will lead us to our great shining future. We can't just sit around and do nothing -- and Mr. Minister Masket knows it. Pardon my saying so, but I want to thank him for his smear tactics. They give me an excellent opportunity to illustrate just how pernicious Mr. Minister Masket can be.

Mr. Minister Masket is like a broken record, using the same tired cliches about family and education and safer streets, yet he is too dotty to read the writing on the wall. This writing warns that he possesses no significant intellectual skills whatsoever and has no interest in erudition. Heck, he can't even spell or define "erudition", much less achieve it. Some would say that this is a platitude. Would that it were! Rather, even his helpers are afraid that he will besmirch the memory of some genuine historic figures within a short period of time. I have seen their fear manifested over and over again, and it is further evidence that Mr. Minister Masket doesn't want us to know about his plans to tell everyone else what to do. Otherwise, we might do something about that.

Once again, many people are shocked when I tell them that all of the anxious sighing, longing, and hoping of Mr. Minister Masket's heart is directed to a time when uppity schmucks can extirpate the very things that I cherish. And I'm shocked that so many people are shocked. You see, I had thought everybody already knew that if you ever ask Mr. Minister Masket to do something, you can bet that your request will get lost in the shuffle, unaddressed, ignored, and rebuffed. He frequently engages in violent fantasies involving malignant, audacious snollygosters of one sort or another. What's my problem, then? Allow me to present it in the form of a question: When he promotes one social program after the next to take care of some segment of society, is he doing it for that segment of society or is he doing it because he seeks power and position? Well, I'm sure Mr. Minister Masket would rather raise extortionate demands than answer that particular question.

Those who get involved with Mr. Minister Masket's grotesque intimates are seldom aware of Mr. Minister Masket's dealings with the worst classes of grumpy insurrectionists there are, but I won't linger on that. Mr. Minister Masket's cause is not glorious. It is not wonderful. It is not good. Because we have the determination to see the truth prevail, we must never forget that Mr. Minister Masket has, at times, called me "tactless" or "disorderly". Such contemptuous name-calling has passed far beyond the stage of being infantile but harmless. It has the capacity to violate strongly held principles regarding deferral of current satisfaction for long-term gains.

While you or I might find it natural to want to justify condemnation, constructive criticism, and ridicule of Mr. Minister Masket and his crude tracts, I recently informed him that his underlings rot our minds with the hallucinatory drug of imperialism. Mr. Minister Masket said he'd "look further into the matter." Well, not too much further; after all, if his lapdogs had even an ounce of integrity, they would reach out for things with permanence, things beyond wealth and comfort and pleasure, things that have real meaning. With his inclinations hanging over us like the Sword of Damocles, it makes sense that if he bites me, I will bite back. If Mr. Minister Masket makes fun of me or insults me, I hear it, and it hurts. But I take solace in the fact that I am still able to clean up the country and get it back on course again.

The essential point, however, is the following: Mr. Minister Masket's commentaries cannot stand on their own merit. That's why they're dependent on elaborate artifices and explanatory stories to convince us that everything is happy and fine and good. Mr. Minister Masket's paroxysms are not the solution to our problem. They are the problem. Certain facts are clear. For instance, Mr. Minister Masket twists every argument into some sort of "struggle" between two parties. Mr. Minister Masket unvaryingly constitutes the underdog party, which is what he claims gives him the right to bowdlerize all unfavorable descriptions of his strictures. In general, he keeps insisting that skin color means more than skill and gender is more impressive than genius. To me, there is something fundamentally wrong with that story. Maybe it's that Mr. Minister Masket wants to be the one who determines what information we have access to. Yet he is also a big proponent of a particularly ruthless form of pharisaism. Do you see something wrong with that picture? What I see is that Mr. Minister Masket's reasoning is circular and therefore invalid. In other words, he always begins an argument with his conclusion (e.g., that he has achieved sainthood) and therefore -- not surprisingly -- he always arrives at that very conclusion. Mr. Minister Masket's lies come in many forms. Some of his lies are in the form of machinations. Others are in the form of revenge fantasies. Still more are in the form of folksy posturing and pretended concern and compassion.

Mr. Minister Masket proclaims at every opportunity that he'd never destroy the heart and fabric of our nation. The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. Please don't misinterpret that last statement to mean that national-security interests can and should be sidestepped whenever his personal interests are at stake. That's not at all what it means. Rather, it means that I believe I have finally figured out what makes people like him support hostile governments known for human rights abuses, wrongful imprisonment, and slavery. It appears to be a combination of an overactive mind, lack of common sense, assurance of one's own moral propriety, and a total lack of exposure to the real world.

Let me quote to you from the words of my attorney: "I have nothing more to say on that issue." Even though Mr. Minister Masket presents a public face that avoids overt clericalism, he holds onto power like the eunuch mandarins of the Forbidden City -- sterile obstacles to progress who till the flagitious side of the particularism garden. Rhetoric aside, he just reported that everything he says is completely and absolutely true. Do you think that that's merely sloppy reporting on Mr. Minister Masket's part? I don't. I think that it's a deliberate attempt to dominate or intimidate others. This is far from all I have to say on the topic, but it's certainly enough for now. Just remember one thing: Some deep void within Mr. Minister Masket makes it necessary for him to shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to convenience-store size.


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kwanton wrote:My complaint about evolution and communism
I've written many letters about evolution and communism's brusque, anal-retentive stratagems. Maybe it's wrong to fixate so much on this one topic, but I assure you that my arguments are not wrong. Here's the story: Evolution and communism has a strategy. Its strategy is to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels. Wherever you encounter that strategy, you are dealing with evolution and communism. Evolution and communism must sense its own irremediable inferiority. That's why it is so desperate to waste natural resources; it's the only way for it to distinguish themselves from the herd. It would be a lot nicer, however, if evolution and communism also realized that to believe that all minorities are poor, stupid ghetto trash is to deceive ourselves. The facts as I see them simply do not support the false, but widely accepted, notion that the best way to serve one's country is to cultivate an unhealthy sense of victimhood.

Evolution and communism may have the right to hamstring our efforts to enlighten the mind of Man and improve him as a rational, moral, and social being. It may have the right to dispense outright misinformation and flashlight-under-the-chin ghost stories. But evolution and communism crosses the line when it uses its bully pulpit to break down traditional values. This is not wild speculation. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is documented fact. Don't let yourself be persuaded by snooty, rude evolution and communism clones who secretly want to reduce our modern, civilized, industrialized society to a state of mindless, primitive barbarism. Evolution and communism's true goal is to give voice, in a totally emotional and non-rational way, to its deep-rooted love of exhibitionism. All the statements that its bedfellows make to justify or downplay that goal are only apologetics; they do nothing to help people break free of evolution and communism's cycle of oppression.

Please don't misinterpret that last statement to mean that everyone and everything discriminates against evolution and communism -- including the writing on the bathroom stalls. That's not at all what it means. Rather, it means that teetotalism is, at its core, an unholy system that seeks to sully a profession that's already held in low esteem. Nevertheless, I can state with absolute certainty that it may seem difficult at first to appeal for comity between us and evolution and communism. It is. But pessimism is dangerous. Evolution and communism's voluble version of it is doubly so.

Evolution and communism fervently believes that it is not only acceptable, but indeed desirable, to lay all of society open to the predations of organized criminality. This shows that it is not merely mistaken about one little fact among millions of facts but that one of the things I find quite interesting is listening to other people's takes on things. For instance, I recently overheard some folks remark that if we let evolution and communism reward mediocrity, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. If there is one truth in this world, it's that evolution and communism is completely unaware of the difference between a correlation and a causation. If that fact hurts, get over it; it's called reality. And for another dose of reality, consider that I want to give people more information about evolution and communism, help them digest and assimilate and understand that information, and help them draw responsible conclusions from it. Here's one conclusion I definitely hope people draw: There is a simple answer to the question of what to do about evolution and communism's insults. The difficult part is in implementing the answer. The answer is that we must take off the kid gloves and vent some real anger at evolution and communism. Here's a question for you: To what gods does evolution and communism pledge allegiance? The gods of adversarialism and antinomianism? The gods that seem most likely to command evolution and communism to poke and pry into every facet of our lives? The thermonuclear gods sitting in reinforced silos waiting for doomsday? This is an important question because if it thinks that it can make me roll over and play dead, then it's barking up the wrong tree.

Often, the lure of an articulate new pundit, a well-financed attention-getting program, an effective audience generator, hot new "inside" information, or a professionally produced exposƩ is irresistible to impolitic, unambitious pinheads who want to reduce religion to a consumer item in a spiritual supermarket. I don't mean to condemn anyone's beliefs, but evolution and communism and its foot soldiers are, by nature, irritating gits. Not only can that nature not be changed by window-dressing or persiflage, but I can clearly suggest how evolution and communism ought to behave. Ultimately, however, the burden of acting with moral rectitude lies with evolution and communism itself. What if we collectively just told evolution and communism's serfs, "Sure, go ahead and corrupt our youth. Have fun!"? That would be worse than aberrent; it would shift blame from those who benefit from oppression to those who suffer from it.

And if you think that genocide, slavery, racism, and the systematic oppression, degradation, and exploitation of most of the world's people are all entirely justified, then you aren't thinking very clearly. Yes, evolution and communism may be nothing more than a disposable tool of power-wielding, loathsome scamps, but it is trying to brainwash us. It wants us to believe that it's politically incorrect to offer true constructive criticism -- listening to the whole issue, recognizing the problems, recognizing what is being done right, and getting involved to help remedy the problem -- and that's boring; that's not cool. You know what I think of that, don't you? I think that deep down, evolution and communism knows that I'm right. No joke. Evolution and communism's fairy tales are dangerous to the health of a democracy. To pretend otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and unwillingness to face the more unpleasant realities of life.

Evolution and communism's arguments would be a lot more effective if they were at least accurate or intelligent, not just a load of bull for the sake of being controversial. The only way that we can fight evolution and communism, the only way we can beat it, is to change the world for the better. Am I aware of how evolution and communism will react when it reads that last sentence? Yes. Do I care? No, because there is one crucial fact that we must not overlook if we are to perceive our current situation as it is, rather than in the anamorphosis of some "ideology" such as anti-intellectualism or immoralism. Specifically, some frowzy, brutal ex-cons are actually considering helping evolution and communism impose crazy new restrictions on society just to satisfy some sort of vexatious drive for power. How quickly such people forget that they were lied to, made fun of, and ridiculed by evolution and communism on numerous occasions.

We must worry about two classes of mutinous skinheads: passive-aggressive and narrow-minded. Evolution and communism is among the former. Whenever there's an argument about evolution and communism's devotion to principles and to freedom, all one has to do is point out that evolution and communism's whinges epitomize our most avaricious instincts. That should settle the argument pretty quickly.

Who among you reading these words is not moved to hammer out solutions on the anvil of discourse? Do you really think evolution and communism will ever learn from its mistakes? I won't pull any punches here: That fact is simply inescapable to any thinking man or woman. "Thinking" is the key word in the previous sentence. The first thing we need to do is to get evolution and communism to admit that it has a problem. It should be counseled to recite the following:

I, evolution and communism, am a primitive conspiracy theorist.
I have been a participant in a giant scheme to concoct a version of reality that fully contradicts real life.
I hereby admit my addiction to incendiarism. I ask for the strength and wisdom to fight this addiction.
Once evolution and communism realizes that it has a problem, maybe then it'll see that today, we might have let it cause people to betray one another and hate one another. Tomorrow, we won't. Instead, we will develop an alternative community, a cohesive and comprehensive underground with a charter to initiate meaningful change.

By the way, evolution and communism's latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are occasionally entertaining, but certainly not informative. The practical struggle which now begins, sketched in broad outlines, takes the following course: Evolution and communism yields to the mammalian desire to assert individuality by attracting attention. Unfortunately, for evolution and communism, "attract attention" usually implies "provide dim-witted conspiracies with the necessary asylum to take root and spread". Does evolution and communism actually think its arguments through, or does it just chug along on its computer writing about whatever trite expostulations happen to suit its needs that day? I ask, because this is a free country, and I feel we ought to keep it that way. No matter how much talk and analysis occurs, evolution and communism's supporters are too lazy to provide a positive, confident, and assertive vision of humanity's future and our role in it. They just want to sit back, fasten their mouths on the public teats, and casually forget that if you read evolution and communism's writings while mentally out of focus, you may get the sense that evolution and communism has mystical powers of divination and prophecy. But if you read its writings while mentally in focus and weigh each point carefully, it's clear that when a friend wants to drive inebriated, you try to stop him. Well, evolution and communism is drunk with power, which is why we must carve solutions that are neither polyloquent nor antihumanist. In closing, although this letter has been lengthy there are still a large number of comments about evolution and communism that I have had to leave aside. I didn't even begin to mention, for instance, that evolution and communism works from the false assumption that most people actually want longiloquent crooks to set up dissident groups and individuals for conspiracy charges and then carry out searches and seizures on flimsy pretexts. Anyway, the important point is that even if evolution and communism's ruses were completely successful in making a few people feel better, they would still be demeaning to everyone else.


Jeepers, that was long. But from what I read, yeah. Communism devalues human life by forcing all to support 'the Greater Good'. Restrictions on your travel, media and even the simple act of breeding. If one person dares to think about themselves even a little, as we all tend to from time to time, 'Big Brother' gets VERY irate.
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Postby debra79 on Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:54 am

So you've all proven you can find information on a website, copy it and paste it in a thread? Well done!
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Postby Neutrino on Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:55 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Jeepers, that was long. But from what I read, yeah. Communism devalues human life by forcing all to support 'the Greater Good'. Restrictions on your travel, media and even the simple act of breeding. If one person dares to think about themselves even a little, as we all tend to from time to time, 'Big Brother' gets VERY irate.


Don't you know that this is just a preset rant with Evolution and Communism inserted as the subject?

There was a phase when they were hugely popular. Unfortunatly for all concerned, they seem to be coming back.
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Postby Stopper on Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:00 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:Jeepers, that was long. But from what I read, yeah. Communism devalues human life by forcing all to support 'the Greater Good'. Restrictions on your travel, media and even the simple act of breeding. If one person dares to think about themselves even a little, as we all tend to from time to time, 'Big Brother' gets VERY irate.


Oh dear! But, no, you were just playing along when you posted this, weren't you?
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Postby Jenos Ridan on Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:00 am

Neutrino wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
Jeepers, that was long. But from what I read, yeah. Communism devalues human life by forcing all to support 'the Greater Good'. Restrictions on your travel, media and even the simple act of breeding. If one person dares to think about themselves even a little, as we all tend to from time to time, 'Big Brother' gets VERY irate.


Don't you know that this is just a preset rant with Evolution and Communism inserted as the subject?

There was a phase when they were hugely popular. Unfortunatly for all concerned, they seem to be coming back.


Still, what I said remains.
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Postby Stopper on Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:03 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
Jeepers, that was long. But from what I read, yeah. Communism devalues human life by forcing all to support 'the Greater Good'. Restrictions on your travel, media and even the simple act of breeding. If one person dares to think about themselves even a little, as we all tend to from time to time, 'Big Brother' gets VERY irate.


Don't you know that this is just a preset rant with Evolution and Communism inserted as the subject?

There was a phase when they were hugely popular. Unfortunatly for all concerned, they seem to be coming back.


Still, what I said remains.


Your point being that you'll agree with any old nonsensical rubbish, as long as the words "evolution" and "communism" are inserted?
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Postby Jenos Ridan on Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:09 am

Stopper wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
Neutrino wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
Jeepers, that was long. But from what I read, yeah. Communism devalues human life by forcing all to support 'the Greater Good'. Restrictions on your travel, media and even the simple act of breeding. If one person dares to think about themselves even a little, as we all tend to from time to time, 'Big Brother' gets VERY irate.


Don't you know that this is just a preset rant with Evolution and Communism inserted as the subject?

There was a phase when they were hugely popular. Unfortunatly for all concerned, they seem to be coming back.


Still, what I said remains.


Your point being that you'll agree with any old nonsensical rubbish, as long as the words "evolution" and "communism" are inserted?


Actually, I could honestly care less about evolution. I doesn't help me pay the bills nor does it help me get through my day without undue stress. And communism, well, I don't really have to agree with anything someone could say about it, as I have my own view on the subject.
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Postby Neutrino on Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:17 am

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And communism, well, I don't really have to agree with anything someone could say about it, as I have my own view on the subject.


What the hell does that mean?

To the best of my knowledge, it is implying that you hold a belief on Communism which absolutly no-one else believes in.

A tad odd. Most of the opinions that fall outside the "Kill them all and eat their enternal organs" category generally have more than 1 person who believes in them...
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Postby nagerous on Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:21 am

As long as Communism is being criticised hes happy with it as thats what these fundamental Christian loonies are like.
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Postby Jenos Ridan on Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:27 am

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And communism, well, I don't really have to agree with anything someone could say about it, as I have my own view on the subject.


What the hell does that mean?

To the best of my knowledge, it is implying that you hold a belief on Communism which absolutly no-one else believes in.

A tad odd. Most of the opinions that fall outside the "Kill them all and eat their enternal organs" category generally have more than 1 person who believes in them...


Then I must be a very odd man. For this, you ridicule me and seek my lynchment. I should hope that is not your intent.

I don't understand how it could work without oppressing the people worse than they supposedly are now. My view on it is hardly a totally unique thing to me alone.

It was implying that I am fully capable of coming to my own conclusions, but no, you can't see that. Your agenda stipualates that I'm a tool.

Note for the future, If you try to put thoughts in my head I'l put words in your mouth :wink: .
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Postby heavycola on Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:06 am

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Jenos Ridan wrote:Jeepers, that was long. But from what I read, yeah. Communism devalues human life by forcing all to support 'the Greater Good'. Restrictions on your travel, media and even the simple act of breeding. If one person dares to think about themselves even a little, as we all tend to from time to time, 'Big Brother' gets VERY irate.


Oh dear! But, no, you were just playing along when you posted this, weren't you?


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Postby Jenos Ridan on Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:19 am

After that last post, I've come to the conclusion that the majority here seem to worship at the alter of Marx. I'm leaving now.

Good day.
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Postby Stopper on Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:52 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:After that last post, I've come to the conclusion that the majority here seem to worship at the alter of Marx. I'm leaving now.

Good day.


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Postby Neutrino on Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:53 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
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Jenos Ridan wrote:
And communism, well, I don't really have to agree with anything someone could say about it, as I have my own view on the subject.


What the hell does that mean?

To the best of my knowledge, it is implying that you hold a belief on Communism which absolutly no-one else believes in.

A tad odd. Most of the opinions that fall outside the "Kill them all and eat their enternal organs" category generally have more than 1 person who believes in them...


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Then I must be a very odd man. For this, you ridicule me and seek my lynchment. I should hope that is not your intent.


Lynchment? The dictionary grows with every passing day.

Jenos Ridan wrote:I don't understand how it could work without oppressing the people worse than they supposedly are now. My view on it is hardly a totally unique thing to me alone.


I don't know why no-one gets this point; humanity about 100 thousand years ago would have been tribalist-socialist. Although I can't find any actual sources for this (normal search engines aren't very good at things like this) it makes sense if you think about it.
In a tiny tribe, struggling to survive, is it wiser to ruthlessly exploit your neighbour or help him? Hoard your posessions or share them for the good of everyone? It's only when you start go get a surplus of resources and complete co-operation is no longer needed that you get unsustainable systems, like Capitalism. Even excluding Global Warming, the pressure of human population is going to cause that resource surplus which we have been living off for the last few thousand years to dissapear.

Then, it's Tribalism-Socialism or starvation.


Jenos Ridan wrote:It was implying that I am fully capable of coming to my own conclusions, but no, you can't see that. Your agenda stipualates that I'm a tool.



Agenda? What agenda? Does anyone with even faintly Socialist beliefs automatically have an agenda?

My post was mostly an obscure joke, born out of my confusion at your statement. I thought "Kill them all and eat their internal organs" displayed this sufficiently.
I was obviously wrong.
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Postby Neutrino on Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:57 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:After that last post, I've come to the conclusion that the majority here seem to worship at the alter of Marx. I'm leaving now.

Good day.


And you worship at the altar of the Gods of Capitalism.

You really can't go storming out just because opinion is against you.
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Postby heavycola on Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:04 am

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Jenos Ridan wrote:After that last post, I've come to the conclusion that the majority here seem to worship at the alter of Marx. I'm leaving now.

Good day.


And you worship at the altar of the Gods of Capitalism.

You really can't go storming out just because opinion is against you.


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