RIP CHARLIE

[jusplay4fun]

THAT is what we need, Mookie, a good and civil discussion and NOT more hate and not more divisiveness. THANKS for that.

The political discourse in this country is much too partisan; we need more discussion of what is best for THE NATION and not what is best for "my side" or "my political party."

[ConfederateSS]

“TPUSA sees 18,000 new chapter requests after Erika Kirk’s remarks“

Note: she’s Catholic

-----------------#1 ....Unlike other fake carbon copies all over...THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH is THE #1 TRUE CHURCH of CHRIST
----------------- Other churches ,not the chicken franchise...Are (made up) churches...THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH...BUILT/FOUNDED BY ONE OF THE O.G.'s(JESUS/GOD)... Original Apostles...#1,#1 ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...R.I.P...CHARLIE... ...It figures he would be killed on a college campus...They've been brainwashing people for decades...CHARLIE brought it to the for front of YOUNG AMERICANS TO WAKE UP...Which hurts the college brainwashing business...ON THE LEFT...
--------------It's next to impossible to be a conservative on a college campus...

[WILLIAMS5232]

other than a few minutes here and there of his clips popping up on my feeds, i didn't listen to charlie kirk much. i mean, mainly because i did think he was kind of irritating to listen to because he was a bit of a smart aleck. but the thing that did stand out was, especially at the end of the conversation he had with those kids where he could see they actually were genuine in their discussion, he would make it known that his intention was not to think for them, rather help them to think for themselves. and to not just take what the professors were trying to jam down their throat as the gospel. i did a year of college and i know how the professors are. i'm just happy i was there before the trump years, because i think trump really acclerated the all in nature of politics.

i mean, trump is saying things that democrats said just a decade ago, and now democrats have to say the opposite. it's silly really and i don't understand how a person can just act like it didn't happen. or when democrats use lawfare, but complain when trump uses it. for the life of me, it's just makes me lose hope that the country is that stupid.

as far as the democrats that got killed up in Minnesota, i realize that it wasnt quite the news coverage, but it was covered quite a bit. and while i'm sure you can find some examples of some far right wackos praising the deaths, i would bet for every one of those you find, i can find 100 wackos praising charlie kirks killing. so, i think that's why the expanded discussion is being had about the current issue.

as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.

[mookiemcgee]

as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.

Yeah uh, I'm gonna have to go ahead and steal this for my signature for a minute.

[karel]

well the left enjoyed him dying they are so happy about this,well it only woke up the sleeping giant, shit going to start happening, and its about time we stand up to the loony leftist commie ideas.

[DirtyDishSoap]

People disagreed with him, that's not to say everyone celebrated his death you idiot. Blame the shooter for being a nut job. Blame the class asses that actually did celebrate it. Blaming an entire political spectrum because you don't like them is exactly why we have these retards running around in the first place.

[2dimes]

Holay Duke, I don’t know enough about Charlie to say he was a good parent but that was a bit harsh.

[Dukasaur]

Wow there's a lot to reply to. Okay, I'll get started, and hope I finish. If not, I'll finish some other night.

Duka you need healing.

Charlie preached the nuclear family.

The nuclear family is neither here nor there. If you want to be part of a nuclear family, great! Go for it. If you don't want to be trapped in that kind of arrangement, you shouldn't have to be. It's not a litmus test of your value as a person.

First video of him I found. In California.

So, I started watching it. For about 30 seconds, the guy was going through some partisan Rah-Rah-Rah! bullshit, so I got bored and skipped ahead, about 40% of the way through.

So the first issue I heard him address was mass incarceration. "What's wrong with mass incarceration? Nothing's wrong with mass incarceration! I think we should have more of it!"

So this asshole actually thought the U.S., which has 1.9 million people locked in jail, a larger percentage of the population than ANY other country, more than Rwanda, more than Communist China, more than Soviet Russia, actually should be doing more locking people up???!!!???!!!???

MORE!

What ki9nd of a putrescent cock-gobbler actually thninkes that destroying the livesxs of 1.9 million people isn't enough? You actually want to destroy more people's lives? For such dubious "crimes" as wantiong to brighten your spirits after a long hard week slaving away at some shitty minimum wage job, and you go buy a line of coke or something so you can actually enjoy your Satruday night. And for that yuou should be locked in a cage like a fucking animal for fifteen years or more?

What a filthy puke! 1.9 MILLION lives gratuitously destroyed isn't good enough. You want to destrouy more!

2) Did he have lots of one-liners that he delivered well ? YES. Does that make his arguments weak or incorrect or evil or any other adjective Duk wants to use there? NO.

It doesn't, in and of itself, make them wrong? No, but it doesn't make them right. either.

What does make them wrong is, the INTENT. He isn't trying to persuade people, he's trying to make them look like fools. Domination and humiliation of others is sociopathy.

4) Yes, Duk needs a larger sample of videos before offering a valid opinion of his presentations:

I did, but I can skip it now. The one HitRed presented spiked my pulse to 115. As a stroke survivor, I have to watch my heart all the time.

More importantly, Mookie basically confirmed my first conclusions:

He was a money making machine, and he was very early to figuring out the formula to building social media audiences (short clips with lots of gotcha moment clips). Once he gained a certain level of notoriety alot of videos against him were made... in exactly the same style. For better or worse that seems to be what works on folks growing up in the social media age.

(...)

He became worth 100's of millions of dollars by debating unprepared people and then editing it down to just the most gotcha moments.

So I'll just leave it at that. Mookie seems to have watched a lot more of these videos than I have, and his (usually balanced) perspective is that indeed these are edited videos which are deliberately designed to showcase his pre-rehearsed arguments while making other people look stupid.

My first impression stands. This is the moral equivalent of Mike Tyson getting rich by beating up your kid sister and selling videos of it to shitbags who are into that kind of thing.

as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.

If you were one of the lucky ones who had decent parents, don't be so quick to judge those of us who weren't.

I'll let the "goofy" thing go. I'm not a jailbird, so I'm not triggered by your jailhouse slang. (If indeed that's what it is. Maybe jailhouse slang is different down in the states.)

Not sure what you mean by the "just move out" dig. If you mean that because I'm an immigrant who dares to criticize the government, I should "go back where I came from," you can stuff that in your tailpipe. I've been in this country 57 years, I'm a naturalized citizen, I have (miraculously) avoided a criminal record despite some misdeeds, I'm gainfully employed, and my taxes are up-to-date.

Or if you meant that I should have "just moved out" of my parents house back in the day, well of course I tried, but the cops kept bringing me back. Plus there were a couple times where I had litterally nothing to eat and I (am ashamed to admit) came back voluntarily. Anyway, I started running away when I was 13, finally left for good when I was 17. The first three years the cops always dragged me back. That fourth year was a bit messed up, and yeah, a couple times I did drag my ass back of my own accord.

Holay Duke, I don’t know enough about Charlie to say he was a good parent but that was a bit harsh.

You think so? I don't, honestly. I mean, most children who are indoctrinated with religious or political bigotry never do break free. They carry it with them for the rest of their lives. Having a father like that, they likely would have grown up as good little goose-stepping Hitlerjugend. They still might, but at least now they have a chance.

I mean this guy believed in keeping his women barefoot and pregnant and subservient to the Man of the house. What if he had daughters? What chance would they have in life?

[jusplay4fun]

We learn MORE:

Alleged Charlie Kirk assassin's roommate 'shocked' by shooting, has been 'very cooperative,' governor says

Updating the investigation into Charlie Kirk’s assassination Sunday, Utah Gov. Spencer Cox told NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that the suspect was in a romantic relationship with his roommate, who is cooperating with authorities.

“What we have learned specifically is that this person did not have any knowledge, was shocked when they found out about it,” Cox said of the roommate.

That person “is a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female,” Cox said, misgendering the roommate. Cox was confirming earlier reporting from Fox News.

The roommate has been “very cooperative,” Cox said.

That tracks with what a federal official close to the investigation told NBC News on Sunday.

There still is “not a solid understanding” of how the personal relationship factors into the attack, the official said.

Asked on CNN how the roommate’s transitioning was relevant to the suspect’s motive, Cox said, “That’s what we’re trying to figure out right now.”

“It’s easy to draw conclusions from that, and so we’ve got the shell casings, other forensic evidence that is coming in and trying to piece all of those things together,” Cox said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/alleged-charlie-kirk-assassins-roommate-145225757.html

[HitRed]

You’re near retirement age and you’re carrying a ton of bricks since you were 13. Find a counselor and find peace.

[WILLIAMS5232]

as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.

If you were one of the lucky ones who had decent parents, don't be so quick to judge those of us who weren't.

I'll let the "goofy" thing go. I'm not a jailbird, so I'm not triggered by your jailhouse slang. (If indeed that's what it is. Maybe jailhouse slang is different down in the states.)

Not sure what you mean by the "just move out" dig. If you mean that because I'm an immigrant who dares to criticize the government, I should "go back where I came from," you can stuff that in your tailpipe. I've been in this country 57 years, I'm a naturalized citizen, I have (miraculously) avoided a criminal record despite some misdeeds, I'm gainfully employed, and my taxes are up-to-date.

Or if you meant that I should have "just moved out" of my parents house back in the day, well of course I tried, but the cops kept bringing me back. Plus there were a couple times where I had litterally nothing to eat and I (am ashamed to admit) came back voluntarily. Anyway, I started running away when I was 13, finally left for good when I was 17. The first three years the cops always dragged me back. That fourth year was a bit messed up, and yeah, a couple times I did drag my ass back of my own accord.

There was no secret meaning to Goofy, it was just the most polite insult I could think of to call someone who wished their parents were shot.

All I was saying about moving out was basically, your parents job is to keep you alive until your 18, looks like they succeeded. it's over before you know it, the best way to get back at them after that is defy them and still succeed, which appears you have done. Congrats.

If you always act pissy towards everybody, you will have a pissy life. When you say things like charlie kirk wanted his wife barefoot and pregnant, I think of the movie joe dirt, or Jenny's dad on forest Gump, but I think you have it all wrong. If you listen to him with some patience you'll hear what he really means.

But I get it, his little snappy comebacks are an irritant, and someone who is already seeing red will take them as personal attacks. 20 years ago when I lived in houston, I used to get road rage. but one day I was road raging with this guy that cut me off in bumper bumper traffic, and he calmly said "look how you're acting man, you lost one car length" and after that a switch flipped and I quit speeding, (which to me speeding was the catalyst of my road raging) and it improved my commute immensely every day after that.

And although i understand when you say "reluctantly you returned" you may have felt it was a bad position at the time, it must have been better than the tent city and the soup line, So when I hear some one say, "my life may have been better if my parents were shot" I think one of 2 scenerios.
A) they don't really mean it (goofy)
B):they do mean it (psycho)

So before, I went with the one that made the most sense at the time in my head.

[jusplay4fun]

I will not say too much more about Duk and his parents for now.

I will say that Duk is focused too much on "gotcha moments" in Kirk's videos and that Duk fails to comprehend what is really important is his willingess to listen to and debate with College students to engage them and get them to THINK and to question their perceptions. I think many students who disagree with him have only a superficial, myopic, and very narrow view of the World, influenced too much by social media and videos.

I do not have the audience that Charlie Kirk did (and NEVER assumed that I have that much influence). I did encounter a student who called America "misogynistic." I told her how women are treated in Arab/Moslem nations and in India (where wives were often killed by the husband's families). I said read the articles on these subjects that I provided (from reasonably balanced sources) and we will discuss her views again, LATER. She did not make such accusations in front of me again. I do not know if I got through to her, as I gave her time and space to process what I shared with her. In order to avoid alienating her from me in my Chemistry class, I decided not to push the matter. If she viewed me as BIASED person who could NOT understand her viewpoint, I think she would have largely "tuned me out" and she may have then failed my class as a result of that perception of me. She struggled in Chemistry before I challenge her claim of a "misogynistic America." I did not need to make her learning more difficult.

I am sure her worldview was formed by Social Media and was very narrow and myopic as Social media allowed her to find others who shared her worldview, reinforcing those perceptions. She did not get a more balanced and wider point of view on many topics; instead, she lived in "silos" with others who viewed the world as she did.

My Dad was in the military, so I moved often and lived in several localities. I thought most of the people who lived in one place all their lives had a very parochial and limited view of the world (their "silos").

AND, another view:

Students who debated with Charlie Kirk mourn his death

In May, Kirk was invited to the Cambridge Union for a question and answer debate event.

Sammy McDonald was the last student due to debate with him, and the US support of Israel's campaign in Gaza was a focal point of their discussion.

The History student told the BBC: "Nothing - political or otherwise - can ever justify such a horrendous act or the ruination of the lives of those close to him.

"Political disagreement cannot be, and must never be, a death sentence.

"Even in deeply polarised times, we must never lose sight of our humanity and our respect for the sanctity of all human life."

He said while Kirk was someone he "profoundly" disagreed with, he respected his commitment to the power of debate.

"We both recognised that the ability to debate ideas freely, to speak your mind without fear of violence is what distinguished democracy from tyranny and is the foundation on which the American republic and the liberal tradition is built."

Referencing the deaths of MPs Jo Cox (Labour) and Sir David Amess (Conservative), he said young people were growing up in a world "sullied by increasing political violence and poisoned political discourse".

"One of the most surprising experiences from my encounter with Kirk was the magnanimity and generosity of his many supporters, who were willing to talk to me, listen to me and acknowledge peaceful disagreement, even changing our preconceptions about each other."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wdp2ypq5vo

I think if Kirk were as much of a "smart aleck" or jerk that Duk makes him out to be, that the reaction of most college students who care about politics would NOT be one of so MUCH shock and profound sadness. I do not think it is ONLY those who agree politically with Kirk that are shocked and saddened by his assassination.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I never heard of Charlie Kirk up until his shooting, but he sounds like a carbon copy of Steven Crowder.

[saxitoxin]

that depends on how "size" is measured

I've told many former girlfriends the same thing

[karel]

lol....

[ConfederateSS]

---------------As losers from THE LEFT get fired from their jobs and kick out of schools/colleges...
----------------------For grateful and showing it...Not FREE SPEECH...In 2020 A.D. ...They burned cities to the ground...Now they crash memorial services ,etc..held for Charlie...Sick...But that's Who the LEFT Liberals are...Scum...
-----------------They just don't get it...Nobody wants to sit next to someone in an office,place of work or school...That is in favor of murder...
----------------I mean, people joke from time to time, some wish they could kill a person...But don't because that is insane...
---------------- But to not in a joking manner....Trash a memorial service....That shows the sick nature of the LEFT...
----------------Think of Hollywood...Promoting crap...In The 1950's A.D...Movies T.V. shows , mentioned GOD...Nobody used bad words...
---------------- In the 1970s A.D... Hollywood...Moved to saying bad words...By then, no one mentioned GOD/JESUS,unless in a bad way....
---------------- Take now 2025 A.D...Snoop Dogg was mad when Disney ,made him talk about 2 people of the same gender having sex...To his grandson...
----------------The killing shown for fun???...In Disney or Pixar....crap...Like a Snake put in a barn full of sheep...Next A snake super fat...Empty barn...
----------------- Or a Red Bull clip...Zebra drinks Red Bull...A Gator attacks Zebra, Zebra walks out of the water with a gator,purse...The Violence is driven into American Society everywhere....
----------------- But THE LEFT in promoting Death, Murder, Happy in killing someone/anyone...Has just blown the top off...You can't take pee- out of a swimming pool once it's in there...It's just there...
----------------- The LEFT is actually trying to play victim...In Charlie's death, and their horrible actions reacting to it... Just plain sick....No one wants to be around people that (not joking)...Actually support the killing of a person...Rather than just talking to someone they disagree with...Those laughing, promoting Charlie's death...Online, or in person...Are finding that out the hard way...Being Fired, or kicked out of school... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[mookiemcgee]

I never heard of Charlie Kirk up until his shooting, but he sounds like a carbon copy of Steven Crowder.

Did you watch the south park that included Charlie Kirk a few weeks ago? That episode is secretly about Steven Crowder, Kirk def stole his EXACT shtick!!!