Craig

[Coors1]

Honestly this thread just makes me feel sad; one of the best tournament organizers on the site who really brings a fun tournament, with a large scale, and really intense competition, pitted against a group of the hardworking volunteers who keep this site going in other ways. Everyone has their own realm in which they're contributing to the site, and neither side is a true villain, just conflicting visions over how to keep the site alive and amazing for all. I wish this conflict didn't have to happen, and I'm saying that without blaming either side, and with the knowledge that both sides are unlikely to back down from their positions, because both sides feel offended by the other.

A sad day for CC that it's come to this, and that the people who have each in their own way made this site wonderful are against each other.

I take no sides, I just play the game and keep out of drama. But this is a sad result.

I totally agree with this 100%, Also For what little the Mods get as compensation , and the work they actually do, they do go above and beyond for the token compensation they get.
I'm hoping things can be worked out, been a fun ride here, and really again would hate to leave this site,

[Caymanmew]

I think it is easy to view this as the Mods vs Craig, but in reality, it isn't that simple. The mods are not really a unified entity that act together or even directly work together. Different departments handle different areas of the site, some mods have a larger influence and offer advice or input on some situations, but even then, most of those mods are relatively uninvolved in areas of the site that do not fall under their department.

Craig has had many "run-ins" with the mods over the past 2 years, but throughout that time, it hasn't been with the same mod or department every time. The ones dealing with him 2 years ago are not necessarily the ones who dealt with him a year ago, or who dealt with him last week. This isn't a personal issue between a single or group of mods and Craig, rather, it is mods enforcing site rules and issuing appropriate punishments based on the rules broken and his past bans.

We do not want to ban Craig, we do not want Craig to quit the site, or derail Super League in any way. At the same time, we must enforce site rules equally. When a line is crossed, regardless of who crosses it, we must enforce the rules. We can't pick and choose who must follow site rules and who doesn't need to based on what they contribute to the site.

The sad reality is that over the years, we have had to permanently remove members from this site. Some of them contributed positively to the site in many ways. That sucks, none of us like it, we hate that it gets to that point. Sometimes it just does though, sometimes people just won't stop, won't follow the rules. I hope that doesn't happen here, I hope Craig just stops breaking site rules, continues to run an amazing tournament, and enjoys his time on the site. But ultimately, that is his choice to make, all we mods can do is enforce the rules if they are broken.

[Scarlet Lady]

You know when it's sad when craig ran off one of the best volunteers in CC history (mad777) because he was such a douche over the memorial tournament.

That's total bollocks!

Mad already had plans to leave before that incident and it was for very different personal reasons. I knew him well and miss him, he gifted me a years subscription before he went, so really hoping he'll be back one day.

[thegroover]

You know when it's sad when craig ran off one of the best volunteers in CC history (mad777) because he was such a douche over the memorial tournament.

I would gladly trade 1 mad for 100 Craigs

Yeah, he had a great idea for a great tournament, but that doesn't give him a right to be a total dick forever

You seem to be one of those that has it in for Craig. Posting unsubstantiated comments. And when asked for proof, simply ignore that request. This comment has been highlighted as being a lie as well.

Maybe you are one of the trolls I mentioned previously. Maybe you should consider looking in the mirror as well.

Why not just play the game instead of all the sneering.

[kennyp72]

I'm sorry, but can we back up a moment here? How is Craig trying to improve ConquerClub?

Is it by supporting Clans, the best way to play organized team games? No, he shits on them routinely.

Is it by supporting Tribes, a great way for a group of individuals to compete against others? No, he ignores them.

Is it by supporting other Tournament Organizers and trying to grow them? No, he was removed from the Tournament Organizers group because all he did was insult other TO's.

Is it by running 1 tournament over and over? There we are.

Technically though, he also makes good suggestions on how to improve his single tournament, hoping CC will take over and rerdesign the entire auto-tournament system so he doesn't have to lift a finger anymore. This is often overlooked because when mod's say something like 'BigWham will have to make fundamental changes so it's on him if he wants to do it,' he turns around and shits on the mods.

Reminder, mods are people that volunteer their time to look after the website, but have been given extremely limited powers and cannot make large changes to the site. Sometimes they're given $31 US per yearr, and Craig then shits on them for receiving anything for their time and effort.

Maybe if he learned to act like an adult, instead of throwing a tantrum everytime he doesn't get his way, he'd avoid being repeatedly banned from the forums. However, that doesn't seem to be gaining any traction.

The CC mods have been plenty patient with him. I remember receiving a long term ban myself back in 2009, last 10 years, and the mods back then would've been handing Craig 6 month or more bans.

You need to back up, mate.

Other users told you how the experience has improved for THEM.

WHO are YOU to tell THEM to back up and foist YOUR opinion on THEM?

Is this the issue that Craig is alluding to I wonder...

[Chewie1]

I've read the thread and am probably like many of CC players, I play in the Super league and enjoy it but am fully aware that I can only enjoy it whilst it lasts.

There have been other great tournaments and events in the past and if Super league ends because Craig leaves/gets perma banned then something will replace it in the future.

Of course we will loose a few CC players but we will gain new ones.

I haven't fully kept up with the shenanigans of Craig or the enforcements of the MODS

I just play the game.

We just need more people to just simply play the game.

[2dimes]

Can there be some arbitration between Craig and the Mod(s) in question?

Do you think it hasn't been tried, many times, many ways, over the last two years?

Unfortunately, mediation involves a willingness to compromise on both sides. When you get someone who won't budge an inch, insists he's right in every single instance, and insists that everyone must bend to his will, no amount of mediation will help.

That's unfortunate. Would you have compromised for some really nice cheese from Europe? What if they offer Raz some popcorn and 24 American beers?

[thegroover]

Well it seems that unless a compromise can be reached the super league will be ending.

I'm sure that those not playing in it, with an axe to grind with Craig will be rubbing their hands with glee. And no I'm not saying he is innocent. He sounds like a very difficult person to deal with.

Its just a massive disappointment that the best thing about CC to 100's of players is to end.

[detlef]

Well it seems that unless a compromise can be reached the super league will be ending.

I'm sure that those not playing in it, with an axe to grind with Craig will be rubbing their hands with glee. And no I'm not saying he is innocent. He sounds like a very difficult person to deal with.

Its just a massive disappointment that the best thing about CC to 100's of players is to end.

FWIW, I don't play SL and am tired of Craig's act. But I won't be "rubbing my hands with glee" at the thought of a popular tournament ending.

I agree with those who lament that something couldn't get worked out AND I think that is almost entirely due to the fact that Craig has been acting like a petulant a-hole.

[SoN!c]

Well it seems that unless a compromise can be reached the super league will be ending.

I'm sure that those not playing in it, with an axe to grind with Craig will be rubbing their hands with glee. And no I'm not saying he is innocent. He sounds like a very difficult person to deal with.

Its just a massive disappointment that the best thing about CC to 100's of players is to end.

If anila8 and ewebasher wanna continue then there is no problem whatsoever. It's Anila's system that gets the massive auto-invites out. CC should get Anila onboard and roll something out.

It's impossible to run SL without Anila's system these days anyways. Ofcourse you'd miss Craig and his fun comments. But nobody is irreplaceable. The graveyard lies full with those who thought so.

[TeeGee]

OKAY, lets start with the current issue

Razorvich split the post and created the Craig's whine thread. Razorvich? This is how blindly people are following, if you look at the specifics it is very easy to see it was NOT Razorvich who split the thread, it was ME!!
Why did I do it? The main reason i split the thread is because Craig took the original thread so far off topic that I had 2 choices, split the topic or give Craig a ban for derailing. Maybe I could have chosen a more delicate name for the topic, but after seeing some of the PMs Craig sent out I thought he had a thicker skin and could take as good as he gives, obviously not. I didn't realise he was so soft.

Moving forward, I will again offer extra credits and medals to the winners as I have in the past, but for that to happen 2 things need to occur.
1. I will not and have no intention of joining myself and
2. Craig has to follow the same rules and guidelines that everyone else does in CC.

[sportsgod24]

My two cents (which probably isn't even wroth two cents), from a fairly casual player whose been around here since 09, it's clear that Craig loved to cross the line over and over. I've seen so much of him trashing the site/mods and I'm not even active on the forum. You have to respect the people who run the site.

I liked Superleague, then got burnt out for a couple seasons and was close to dropping out, but decided to put in more effort this season to try to get back up to Premier. I wont miss it if it goes even though it is very well run and has been fun at times. The load of games at the start is always a beat down and has stopped me from joining other tournaments. In my opinion, Flexmaster runs the best tournaments and this gives me a chance to play in more of those plus check out some others.

[thegroover]

OKAY, lets start with the current issue

Razorvich split the post and created the Craig's whine thread. Razorvich? This is how blindly people are following, if you look at the specifics it is very easy to see it was NOT Razorvich who split the thread, it was ME!!
Why did I do it? The main reason i split the thread is because Craig took the original thread so far off topic that I had 2 choices, split the topic or give Craig a ban for derailing. Maybe I could have chosen a more delicate name for the topic, but after seeing some of the PMs Craig sent out I thought he had a thicker skin and could take as good as he gives, obviously not. I didn't realise he was so soft.

Moving forward, I will again offer extra credits and medals to the winners as I have in the past, but for that to happen 2 things need to occur.
1. I will not and have no intention of joining myself and
2. Craig has to follow the same rules and guidelines that everyone else does in CC.

Is Craig aware of this and is there a dialog in place during his ban. Surely if a thread was split and an insult added to the title then he should have been made aware that this was a joke.

[Silvertop]

Craig has done great things for CC but he was also a pain in the ass for the moderators. A ban might be correct BUT if a mod takes over Craig's forum items and changes them under Craig's name that is really NOT DONE. That's intervening in someone's privacy and is NOT TOLERABLE !!!
A ban for that mod should be the correct action to this.

[TeeGee]

Craig has done great things for CC but he was also a pain in the ass for the moderators. A ban might be correct BUT if a mod takes over Craig's forum items and changes them under Craig's name that is really NOT DONE. That's intervening in someone's privacy and is NOT TOLERABLE !!!
A ban for that mod should be the correct action to this.

Please read

I did NOT at anytime takeover anybody's content. What I did was split a conversation that had been deliberately taken off topic, as per CC Protocols. I did this so Craig would NOT be banned for taking a CC discussion topic, off topic. So, in laymans terms, where we originally had 1 topic with 2 separate discussions, they were split into 2 individual topics.

[SoN!c]

Yes. There was nothing done wrong. The original post of Craig was placed in the bad dice thread. Craig hijacked that thread to lash out at the mods. I know because i was in the OP thread.

So TG just moved his totaly off topic in that thread to another place like is done a million times.

Then Craig flipped berserk for some reason and started to send pm's to his SL participants with not correct and total misinformation telling a whole new bullshit story about it. .Then it spiralled out of control.

Nobody intervened in somebody's privacy. This is just a storm in a teacup /lightning in a bottle...

I hope its a good whisky bottle tho and i hope Craig cools down.

[Silvertop]

Yes. There was nothing done wrong. The original post of Craig was placed in the bad dice thread. Craig hijacked that thread to lash out at the mods. I know because i was in the OP thread.

So TG just moved his totaly off topic in that thread to another place like is done a million times.

Then Craig flipped berserk for some reason and started to send pm's to his SL participants with not correct and total misinformation telling a whole new bullshit story about it. .Then it spiralled out of control.

Nobody intervened in somebody's privacy. This is just a storm in a teacup /lightning in a bottle...

I hope its a good whisky bottle tho and i hope Craig cools down.

Clear !
And yes it's a very good whiskey : Balvenie 21y portwood

[TeeGee]

If it means anything. I apologise for upsetting Craig. It was meant as a joke, and I thought from reading his commentary, that is how he would take it. I did not mean to hurt his feelings, so Craig I am sorry for that. I read you wrong.

I do not however apologise for splitting the thread, I was following protocol and would do it again if(when) I come across off topic posts in here.

[2dimes]

Moderation in the conquerclub forums used to be much stricter, around 2006-2008 it occasionally reached the point of being comical.

Even as things lightened up, sometimes a person that did good things for the site like create new maps would get banned, possibly for a mild infraction.

We complained about getting banned then too.

[thegroover]

If it means anything. I apologise for upsetting Craig. It was meant as a joke, and I thought from reading his commentary, that is how he would take it. I did not mean to hurt his feelings, so Craig I am sorry for that. I read you wrong.

I do not however apologise for splitting the thread, I was following protocol and would do it again if(when) I come across off topic posts in here.

Since Craig is banned from the forums he wont see this. Is there a way to contact him directly?

It takes a big person to apologise in public so thanks for this. Hopefully it will defuse the situation.

This all seems like a massive misunderstanding that has escalated to nuclear levels. Lets hope everyone steps back from oblivion for the sake of the site and the super league.

May only other comment is that if a thread is spilt then the first comment should say that. i.e. Split from thread XXXX because it was going off topic.

[thegroover]

If it means anything. I apologise for upsetting Craig. It was meant as a joke, and I thought from reading his commentary, that is how he would take it. I did not mean to hurt his feelings, so Craig I am sorry for that. I read you wrong.

I do not however apologise for splitting the thread, I was following protocol and would do it again if(when) I come across off topic posts in here.

Since Craig is banned from the forums he wont see this. Is there a way to contact him directly?

It takes a big person to apologise in public so thanks for this. Hopefully it will defuse the situation.

This all seems like a massive misunderstanding that has escalated to nuclear levels. Lets hope everyone steps back from oblivion for the sake of the site and the super league.

My only other comment is that if a thread is spilt then the first comment should say that. i.e. Split from thread XXXX because it was going off topic.

[aad0906]

Since Craig is banned from the forums he wont see this. Is there a way to contact him directly?

It takes a big person to apologise in public so thanks for this. Hopefully it will defuse the situation.

This all seems like a massive misunderstanding that has escalated to nuclear levels. Lets hope everyone steps back from oblivion for the sake of the site and the super league.

May only other comment is that if a thread is spilt then the first comment should say that. i.e. Split from thread XXXX because it was going off topic.

Craig can see these posts, he just can't reply/post in forums.

[MrBoom]

If you want to bother to look into the history of the beef, like the memorial tourney ... you'd find a pattern of: Craig acts like a dick, people get pissed at him for acting like a dick, then they confront him about it, then he cries persecution and raises the level of vitriol, then he gets punished.

I've played SBSL since Season 1 and loved it. I've said before that Craig does amazing work. But he really needs to stop playing the victim.

[SoN!c]

This should be resolved with TG apoligizing.

Are we adults y/n?
Does Craig hand out a little punch sometimes y/n?
As such, if you wanna deal out and deal out- should you be able to take a little fun punch too y/n?


I think so. Whats the problem here? Splitting a hijacked OP (as mod) and naming it wrong? Because that is all this is. A storm in a glas of TEEgee and lightning in a botlle of scottish whisky...

This is what Craig filed in:

by Craig25 on Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:30 pm
If you engage in online impersonation, you could face serious repercussions. Here are some potential legal consequences:
Criminal charges: Your actions could lead to charges such as identity theft, fraud or cyberstalking
Civil lawsuits: The impersonated individual might sue you for defamation or invasion of privacy
Fines: Courts may impose substantial fines for damages caused by your online behavior
Jail time: Severe cases of online impersonation can result in imprisonment
Probation: You might face probation with strict guidelines to follow
The severity of these punishments often depends on your intent and the harm caused. Even without malicious intent, the law might still view your actions as criminal.

Criminal charges for splitting a hijacked thread as mod in some online forum?

Lets all forget this tea glas storm and move on.

[SoN!c]

And to be clear: i like Craig a lot for creating SL and will respect him always for that. But sometimes you have to say "your wrong here" as that is what friends do. Saying / hinting / mentioning/ alluding/ whatever you call it if your mentioning it.."real time Jail time is" or "could be at hand" is just derailed reasoning.."real time Jail time" for splitting a hijacked thread as mod in some online forum?


"Even without malicious intent, the law might still view your actions as criminal."


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