Ragian WINS The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

[Charle]

Another thing that is sitting in the back of my head, is that we are 99% sure that Max is not Arsonist but how can he not know what his role is? Then on top of that he forgot to use his role at night but he still do not know what it is? Does this mean he is also not scum, because they at least talk to each other? Or it was just a clever scum move

FP by jfm

[homer_jay]

i don't see why people keep thinking i'm suspicious. for the record, i will state that i'm town. but it seems the only issue is that as i read the messages, i got suspicious of traf. but by the time i had gotten to the site, two others had thought him suspicious. so now i'm suspected of being mafia due to poor timing? if i had gotten online before Kong, would all this suspicion have gone to him instead?

that said, Traf's post does have me re-thinking things. not quite enough to pull my vote just yet.. but it was placed because his comment was either stupid or sus.. and it's looking like it was more to the dumb side of that scale

[strike wolf]

I actually believe Traf, but in the same sentence I also agree with Ragian, Traf you should claim. You already said that your role is not so important, but at least it is not Vanilla, so scum now already know it is a PR of some sort. For this reason IMHO I think town can benefit more than scum at the moment with your claim?

"LOOK AT ME! IM PLAYING BOTH SIDES SO EITHER WAY I LOOK LIKE TJE GOOD GUY!" -Charle

[Loose Canon]

The point about Traf claiming is, unless someone says wait I have that role, I would have to clear Traf for now.
Where I am right now with Traf is this not quite claiming hardens my suspicions of him, but I'd be happy to be wrong with a claim.

[SoN!c]

D2 started on Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:53 am so deadline D2 is set at Friday May 2 (21.00 pm) local mod time.


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[Ragian]

What claim?

[Loose Canon]

Rag, I think Traf needs to claim exactly what powers he has, to back up his being town, having a role or power but not very important.
His claim so far isn't a claim - its vague (which could be town but equally could be mafia elusive)
Sonic has stated what town roles there are, he has said town is mostly vanilla, but then there is the stuff about his goodies being distributed.

(I expect mafias to either already be 3 strong, or if not to have strong night powers (possibly both) so I want to get mafia during the day rather than rely on cluedo work from what happens at night in this game.)

If we can virtually eliminate Traf as being possible mafia by virtue of a proper claim, I'd say that what he reveals that yes might be of value to mafia, but still would be a price worth paying.

[jfm10]

The point about Traf claiming is, unless someone says wait I have that role, I would have to clear Traf for now.
Where I am right now with Traf is this not quite claiming hardens my suspicions of him, but I'd be happy to be wrong with a claim.

I am suspicious of you and Ragian now.
If Traf answered anything but 1 he would get my vote on him, Why do you both seek more information?

[jfm10]

I actually believe Traf, but in the same sentence I also agree with Ragian, Traf you should claim. You already said that your role is not so important, but at least it is not Vanilla, so scum now already know it is a PR of some sort. For this reason IMHO I think town can benefit more than scum at the moment with your claim?

"LOOK AT ME! IM PLAYING BOTH SIDES SO EITHER WAY I LOOK LIKE TJE GOOD GUY!" -Charle

Charle is the guy with the cuffs , gun , vest and no remorse.

[SoN!c]

The rumour on the streets is..(flavour call between Johny "the Nose" and Big Tony "Two Guns").

Johny "the Nose" : (dials a number...gets dial tone and somebody on the receiving ends picks up)
Big Tony: (picks up the phone but doesn't say a word)
Johny "the Nose" : (waits 10 seconds without saying anything), then says "Hi boss"
Big Tony: Hi Johny. What's the word on the streets?
Johny "the Nose" : Everybody is on the edge boss. Things are so fucked up right now; everybody is "feeling nervous" and nobody is "calm and relaxed."
Big Tony: Okay Johny. Look, i like to think im a great boss to ya. A great boss or leader will push you to the breaking point. You might think they are pushing you too far. They are not. They just push you to the limit. To the edge. Where you gotta be to stay sharp okay? We got to get things done. I don't care what. But we need to make the first move you hear? No price for coming in second. Shoot first, ask questions later Johny. We need to survive.



Johny "the Nose": No problem Boss, i get it like i get coke addiction getting to somebody. It explains a lot of weird and violent behavior. But Im a man who never, ever, ever is at a loss for words, but the truth renders me speechless; Everytime. This game is so fucked up right now you know?
Big Tony: Listen Johny, We are mafia family. Nobody gets out alive. You know. Like in real life you hear me? But: Get ready tonight. We are gonna lit the streets up. Tell me more about your hit list.
Johny "the Nose": Well the word on the streets is a new guy could enter the game boss. f*ck, everybody is shit nervous. Also, the word on the streets is Vinnie Vega wants to be the top dog.You hear me? He wants to be the godfather pulling all strings.. So I think somebody is gonna use all this shit for personal motives and laugh in our face because we don't get the urgency.. every man for himself. You know? We are gonna be shit faced. We could be dead in five minutes sort of speak. And i think somebody is gonna call a meating with Big Tuna.
Now boss, listen, whoever comes to you with this, this meeting proposal with Big Tuna, i think he's a traitor. Don't forget that Boss. This is serious shit. Don't say i didn't warn ya.
(Johny the Nose hangs up the phone)

[Ragian]

Ignore my latest post. Hadn't seen the next page

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok, my role is Reporter I can visit 1 person in the night and see if they moved or not, but I cannot know where they went or what they did. On N1 I checked on max as his statement was odd and wanted to confirm if he had a role actually. He did not moved on N1

[Ragian]

The point about Traf claiming is, unless someone says wait I have that role, I would have to clear Traf for now.
Where I am right now with Traf is this not quite claiming hardens my suspicions of him, but I'd be happy to be wrong with a claim.

I am suspicious of you and Ragian now.
If Traf answered anything but 1 he would get my vote on him, Why do you both seek more information?

I think I've written that a fair few times. Others have echoed it. When put at L-2, you claim. If we let go of that rule, there's no reason anyone should claim, which ends with town losing the ability of counterclaiming and vetting claims. Basically, not claiming at L-2 is anti-town. It is noted that jfm disregards that aspect.

FP'ed by Traf. Ironically.

[Ragian]

Thanks for claiming, Traf. So, we can safely assume that Max is not the arsonist (unless he forgot to prime), and we know that he is not the scum carrying out the kill. That's good info (if real).

[Kingm]

unvote Max

Hmm, I have been reading everything that is written here, but I have been busy during easter, both on CC and real life.
Good we have another week before deadline, I will read through the whole thread again later, maybe it's something we/I have missed.

But for now I will unvote Max, even though I still find it a bit weird, do we think he is the Mafia traitor? I have read the mafia wiki, but still not sure I get it, is it a good or bad role for us?

[SoN!c]

Official vote count

Traf (4) : Loose canon, Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf

[Loose Canon]

Ok thanks Traf, I need to think about your claim and listen to what others think, and while I doubt mafia would pile in and lynch you right now, I'll unvote you just in case.

unvote traf

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (3) : Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf

[Loose Canon]

Traf your info on max not moving dovetails perhaps too conveniently with what max has said about not getting his (although he's not sure about his exact role so he says) n1 actions to sonic in time.
I can't discount you and max sorta agreeing as mafia to each put out confusing statements, and you playing lazily as such D1 and early D2.

I'm considering under what circumstances I'd revote you.

[SoN!c]

THE WORD ON THE STREETS IS: D2 GO FOR IT! BECAUSE YOU COULD BE DEAD TOMORROW!

OFCOURSE: THE LYNCH HAS TO BE RIGHT!


THERE IS NO TOMORROW! THIS IS MAFIA

[Loose Canon]

And another thing Traf;

Reporter as you've explained it doesn't fit exactly and arguably doesn't fit at all with Sonic's mod promise that only Cop, doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter , Roleblocker (all with altered soft role modifications for game balance) are in the game.
Maybe at a stretched soft role modification of cop???
And it doesn't fit with the handcuffs, bulletproof vest, or 1 shot back up vig - smith & weston.

Reporter fits imperfectly/badly.

Sooo tempted the more I think about it, to get back onto your lynchwagon.
Want to see what others think - there's time before the D2 deadline.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

And another thing Traf;

Reporter as you've explained it doesn't fit exactly and arguably doesn't fit at all with Sonic's mod promise that only Cop, doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter , Roleblocker (all with altered soft role modifications for game balance) are in the game.
Maybe at a stretched soft role modification of cop???
And it doesn't fit with the handcuffs, bulletproof vest, or 1 shot back up vig - smith & weston.

Reporter fits imperfectly/badly.

Sooo tempted the more I think about it, to get back onto your lynchwagon.
Want to see what others think - there's time before the D2 deadline.

Well I see it as an investigative Role. I am sure the modificacions can be a lot fo things "flavor cop" "faith healer" etc.
As for Max. I have been really frustrated with him. Last game EW and Sonic did a great play as mafia but also max not comunicatiuve made us waste a lot of time in him and I ahve been frustrated sharing town with him as I do not find him reliable. So if we can clear him or caught him early on I see it as a great win.

[jfm10]

And another thing Traf;

Reporter as you've explained it doesn't fit exactly and arguably doesn't fit at all with Sonic's mod promise that only Cop, doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter , Roleblocker (all with altered soft role modifications for game balance) are in the game.
Maybe at a stretched soft role modification of cop???
And it doesn't fit with the handcuffs, bulletproof vest, or 1 shot back up vig - smith & weston.

Reporter fits imperfectly/badly.

Sooo tempted the more I think about it, to get back onto your lynchwagon.
Want to see what others think - there's time before the D2 deadline.

Well I see it as an investigative Role. I am sure the modificacions can be a lot fo things "flavor cop" "faith healer" etc.
As for Max. I have been really frustrated with him. Last game EW and Sonic did a great play as mafia but also max not comunicatiuve made us waste a lot of time in him and I ahve been frustrated sharing town with him as I do not find him reliable. So if we can clear him or caught him early on I see it as a great win.

vote traf

not what I was willing to buy.