Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Traf the most important thing is not you recounting and giving your abbreviated commentary on what has happened.

It is that you come up with your theories on who you think is scum and why.
And make it good.

Thats what I said I was gonna do later today

Ok. So first Strike Death makes a lot of sense strong player able to carry town. on the other side Dev is an odd one. He had a lot of people suspecting him already so would make not much sense for scum to get rid of him unless he was seen as a theath for his actions in the last 2 games (Not that I remember much of them to put him as a theath to scum) or that scum was trying to hit scum.

I agree that Scum would like to get rid of the other faction as scum fire is a high chance at this point, but probably N1 they would have rather hit a mason, thankfully it didn't happened.

I still do feel Loose and Sonic are flooding the Forum and are either Town doing their best although making it hard for everyone to keep up. So either both are town as we know they both are very vocal and tend to comemnt a lot and follow their own theories even if not always spot on. Or 1 of them is Scum trying to confuse everyone. highly unlikely the 2 of them are scum.

Max is being Max - yeah not vocal and not helpfull. At least d2 more active. But that is a problem. Is he Scum knowing that good players rather not lynch a bad townie over a scum suspect. Or masterfully scum playing knowing he will be seen as bad town. Don't really like his playstyle but so far not read as scum and actually more townie vives on D2.

kong was really quiet and fast to vote similar to max but seemed worst in my mind. Pmc is more fun to read so far. But not much info to gather here.

DDS highly disagree with Sonic giving him town credit just cause Strike was town. It came for his own theory that they were scum pair but agian it had 0 evidence. Seems to quiet for his usal self

EW seems to want to be pocking me. but it's either cause he thinks I'm scum and wants me to 'bite' or cause he is town and is making his usual town strat to gather a towniw grou he can trust. more townie vives than scum

Rag rational post. And do see loose and Sonic flooding the thead. Question is are they flooding it cause are scum trying to confuse or 'doing their best'

Pepe is more than 50% scum and top of the list or just a poor follower. I mean D1 he wanted to lynch whoever no reason whatsoever. D2 he follows the idea that DDS got town credit for Strike being town...again why??? So either Strike was right about Sonic/Pepe Duo (But I find it poor play and Sonic has been here for a while) but Pepe is jus following any crazy idea in order to get lynch does not care much who. If I ahd to choose between Sonic and Pepe then pepe is the Scum

I correct
I thought Strike/DDS where a scum pair however it results they were townie (at least Strike) I still think they were a pair so this means DDS probably is townie ...

This Idea came from Sonic never had full eveidence but Pepe just followed it?

To Sum up and if order of townishness

Town:
Traf

Townish:
EW
Max

Neutral
Rag
Sonic
DDS
PMC
Lose

Scum
Pepe

[Loose Canon]

You see I've got a problem with that post too Traf. It's soo much what everyone can agree on without offering anything new, that it's suss , or at least doesn't allay any suspicions I already had.
Maybe I'm being a bit unfair?
It shows you are up to speed with the game at least, I suppose.
It indicates you are probably prepared to vote for pep today at least I presume. - but that's a list of 1 at the moment.
Who else are you prepared to vote for today and why?

[Loose Canon]

FOS to the lot of you openly speculating on our Masons. Let's try to keep them alive, PLEASE?!

Yes, we have too many. I should've never gotten educated and a job allowing me to go to all these festivals. Stupid money.

@DDS, do you think I'm scum (in the game)?

I have no idea why you keep referring to me when I have almost nothing to do with this other than a neutral list I made.

Vote Rag

I'm comfortable with this.

Ok I was curious what DDS's answer to rags question would be.
Now I want rag to explain why he asked dds the question.
Then they/we can take it from there I guess.
Bit manipulative of me? - I hope so!

[Charle]

Vote Count:

Traf (3) - EW, Ragian, LC
Ragian (2) - PMC, DDS
PMC (1) - Pepe

No Vote (3) - Max, Traf, Sonic

9 Alive - 5 Votes for a lynch

[Extreme Ways]

unvote
Disagree that scum will want to kill a townie during the night. Scum is most concerned about their lives, and that gets less in danger when they are the only evil faction remaining. Keeping the other faction alive may be necessary, but that doesnt mean you cant try to kill one of the two. If it wasn't Loose saying this, I would say it's a scum faction trying to influence the other scum faction - but it's Loose and Loose is locktown.

I also think scum today will try really hard to get another scum out - it helps with the above and gets them townie points.

I dont like Sonic hunting masons but it's alright, it's sonic.

@ pmc I am helpful as both alignments, I am easy to find as wolf imo but it shows more in "busier" games.

PMC is probably just town, catching up the way he did is townie - making reads as he goes? I dont like his read on me and getting two factions to aim for me but what can you do. I also dont like how he notes down strike/rag as a pair and kind of ignores that read when strike dies, pushing Rag more. Curious why?

I like Traf's catchup post, what can I say.

[Loose Canon]

Sorry continuation of previous post;

B Traf - Traf has one vote and Sonic looks like he might be prepared to vote for him?
Traf would also be a costly town player to mislynch

C. PMC/Kong
Yes I saw why DDS and Pepe voted for him.
I also had a FOS on this player
Sonic looks like he might be prepared to vote for him.
I am prepared to vote for him.
PMC too would be a costly townie to mislynch
That would make 4 votes and makes PMC my favourite to be lynched.

D. Pepe
I have an FOS on him - all this I'll follow stuff - just doesn't cut it with me - although he deserves some slack for English not being his native language.

Max - because he is contributing and moreover because of part of my suspicions for Rag is a player I'm marginally leaning Town on now.
Doesn't mean he isn't scum - its a really really marginal lean tied to my suspicion of Rag.

For now because I was so impressed by EWs accusations of Traf

Unvote Ragian VOTE TrafalgarLaw

I have a FOS on Pepe too, but

Charle I voted Traf

[pmchugh]

unvote
Disagree that scum will want to kill a townie during the night. Scum is most concerned about their lives, and that gets less in danger when they are the only evil faction remaining. Keeping the other faction alive may be necessary, but that doesnt mean you cant try to kill one of the two. If it wasn't Loose saying this, I would say it's a scum faction trying to influence the other scum faction - but it's Loose and Loose is locktown.

I also think scum today will try really hard to get another scum out - it helps with the above and gets them townie points.

I dont like Sonic hunting masons but it's alright, it's sonic.

@ pmc I am helpful as both alignments, I am easy to find as wolf imo but it shows more in "busier" games.

PMC is probably just town, catching up the way he did is townie - making reads as he goes? I dont like his read on me and getting two factions to aim for me but what can you do. I also dont like how he notes down strike/rag as a pair and kind of ignores that read when strike dies, pushing Rag more. Curious why?

I like Traf's catchup post, what can I say.

Firstly, totally agree on night kills. The other Scum faction can both shoot them and vote them out and I would definitely be targeting the other side.

If both scum shoot you, one less death

As for pushing rag after pairing with strike, the pairing was from one post only. It is worth pointing out though as I did tunnell a bit on rag in my read, I had him suspected early on and that can colour your views of later posts.

Not in love with the Pepe push because it feels too easy to make a case there when his play is just generally newbie without necessarily being newbie wolf.

[SoN!c]

If both PMC and DDS say it's Rag then it's rock solid to me.

I already said i agreed with the entire DDS town/scum list except Pepe and now PMC says the same. And yes to all PMC rereads / posts sofar.

I think DDS is the player here that knows Rag the best so if he is voting Rag... and PMC, who is a superstrong experienced mafia player saying it's Rag.. then the banana in front of me must be a banana. The chance they (PMC/DDS) are a scumpair (or even one of them) initiating a deliberate mislynch on Ragian is close to 0%. Both are way too experienced to do so on D2.

Perhaps i should wait on Rag saying "Sure: it looks like a banana, it feels and taste like a banana but it's a kiwi i bought at the festivals..??"

Gut feeling says - for the first time in the game - yes this is it.

vote Ragian

[Charle]

Charle I voted Traf

Sorry for the miss, now corrected up and until the "Vote Count"

[Ragian]

@loose, because I feel that DDS is best at reading me, and he ought to know that I'm not scum (obviously that's not an exact science). It helps me configure me scumlist for when you are ready to lynch me.

As mentioned, I have time to do this properly next week (Monday). Please keep the noose loose until then. I have absolutely no issues with being lynched because I can still win with town.

@Charle, could D2 last at least till Friday next week, please?

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Quick stuff based on skimming:
1) DDS is either not paying attention or scum. There's no way he'd think I'm scum (unless our love is dead).
2) PMC is going for the easiest lynch, which, to me, would indicate that he is scum trying to save his own arse after having taken over from someone who others think is scum.
3) I know they're very active and all, but something about Son!c and Loose (more Son!c than Loose) rubs me the wrong way.
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Festival till Sunday now. I'll be back Monday. Toodles <3

FP'ed by Charle

[SoN!c]

@loose, because I feel that DDS is best at reading me, and he ought to know that I'm not scum (obviously that's not an exact science). It helps me configure me scumlist for when you are ready to lynch me.

As mentioned, I have time to do this properly next week (Monday). Please keep the noose loose until then. I have absolutely no issues with being lynched because I can still win with town.

@Charle, could D2 last at least till Friday next week, please?

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Quick stuff based on skimming:
1) DDS is either not paying attention or scum. There's no way he'd think I'm scum (unless our love is dead).
2) PMC is going for the easiest lynch, which, to me, would indicate that he is scum trying to save his own arse after having taken over from someone who others think is scum.
3) I know they're very active and all, but something about Son!c and Loose (more Son!c than Loose) rubs me the wrong way.
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Festival till Sunday now. I'll be back Monday. Toodles <3

FP'ed by Charle

Lol Rag, basically your saying the 3 that vote you are the 3 scummy... and the fourth you mention (Loose) is very conveniently also the one who thinks your scum..

Bad banana

[Maxleod]

My main suspects are stil DDS, Rags and Loose.

Rags already has votes so Vote Raz

[Loose Canon]

Whilst Rags is top of my suspect list and I will switch back to lynching him, if votes are still there, I think we can still get more out of today first.
There is still a lot I want to look at/mull over/talk about.

Thursday is my football playing night so to the relief of many I won't be posting/reviewing at least till I get home.

Please ALL don't push Rag over the edge - I would get very raggety with whoever does.

[Loose Canon]

Actually rag who are your top 2 and top 4 scum suspects and why?

[Maxleod]

My main suspects are stil DDS, Rags and Loose.

Rags already has votes so Vote Raz

Vote Rags*

[SoN!c]

He said "Festival till Sunday now. I'll be back Monday.". Are you gonna wait till monday loose?

Very convenient Danish festivals are always happening on crucial game moments like deadlines and now on his "scum time up" lynch moment..

Too funny man. A festival that starts on a thursday on exactly the same day he gets 3 lynch votes. what are the odds

And visitdenmark.nl has all the festivals.. nope no festival that is happening 4 (or even 3 days) this weekend.

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He is so funny

[pmchugh]

@loose, because I feel that DDS is best at reading me, and he ought to know that I'm not scum (obviously that's not an exact science). It helps me configure me scumlist for when you are ready to lynch me.

As mentioned, I have time to do this properly next week (Monday). Please keep the noose loose until then. I have absolutely no issues with being lynched because I can still win with town.

@Charle, could D2 last at least till Friday next week, please?

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Quick stuff based on skimming:
1) DDS is either not paying attention or scum. There's no way he'd think I'm scum (unless our love is dead).
2) PMC is going for the easiest lynch, which, to me, would indicate that he is scum trying to save his own arse after having taken over from someone who others think is scum.
3) I know they're very active and all, but something about Son!c and Loose (more Son!c than Loose) rubs me the wrong way.
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Festival till Sunday now. I'll be back Monday. Toodles <3

FP'ed by Charle

This is a total misread of what I am doing. I am not attached ti this game much, and also, under zero pressure. Kong had no good case against him other than he hadn't been active. Not that is really going for an easy lynch. Pepe would be an easy lynch too if that's what I wanted.

[Extreme Ways]

Easy lynches:
- Max
- Pepe
- Traf (if aware of thread state)

More difficult lynches:
- Sonic
- Rag

I think either way scum isnt going for an easy lynch, they are both trying to save their ass and hit other scum. And encouraging both scum parties to shoot me which if it happens and we lynch right, is not terrible for us tbh

[pmchugh]

EW sounding townie these days. Honestly struggling to see 4 scum atm.

[Loose Canon]

I place DDS and Sonic as Town (along with me)

I place Rag as scum.
I don't believe EW or Max if scum can be in same scum faction as Rag
So Traf, Pepe or Kong/PMC would have to be Rags scum buddy.

I don't believe Pepe and Kong/PMC can be in same scum faction as each other.

Traf if scum could be in a scum faction with Rag, Pepe, Kong, EW or Max
Traf is the player I place second most likely to be scum, but only marginally vs Pepe and Kong/PMC
Traf with most possibilities and permutations of scum buddies would go with what I perceive as his commentary on what I already know while seeming busy

Just about all of this (if its worth anything in its parts anyway) falls down if Rag is mislynched Town.

I think Rags might still think he has a chance of avoiding a lynch and he has to cling onto that whether Town or Scum.
I think the probability is that Rags will be lynched though and I think Rag realises that too.
I think whoever his top 2 candidates for scum will be his genuine feels on scum.
If he's mislynched town all 4 of his candidates would be better than my strongest feel currently that Rag is scum, and everything else that follows on from that.
So I think I want to sort of buy that sort of consolation prize of a possible Rag mislynch by waiting till Monday.

Meantime I think its worth everyone exploring the probabilities of who cannot be a scum partner of who, and the theories and reasoning each of us have.

Does anyone want to argue against things I've said above maybe with things they see or perceive and I'm missing?

[Extreme Ways]

Rag and Sonic feel scum to me.

Sonic feels like he wants to hammer Rag before Rag can respond. I dont believe for a second that a stupid tourism site has all kinds of different festivals listed. Rag on the other hand hides (whether that is actually scummy is to be seen) behind being away a lot. They are never in the same faction together.

[Loose Canon]

Rag and Sonic feel scum to me.

Sonic feels like he wants to hammer Rag before Rag can respond. I dont believe for a second that a stupid tourism site has all kinds of different festivals listed. Rag on the other hand hides (whether that is actually scummy is to be seen) behind being away a lot. They are never in the same faction together.

OK the reason why I think Sonic is Town is that he would have to be playing a hiding in plain sight strategy very very skillfully if he is scum.
He hasn't really tripped any scum sensors of mine, and that must be so difficult to do with his volume of posts.

BUT I don't know what a scummy Sonic might look like , and I don't know how the hell I'd be able to tell IF Sonic was scum.
And I think I'm sort of thinking well if Sonic does win this as scum - jolly well played old chap.

One thing that I noticed very early in the game Extreme was your why are you asking me to comment on this irritation at something Sonic posted.
I didn't know what to make of that then and I still don't.
It made me question both of you at that time but I didn't say anything.
Did you think it was false of Sonic in asking you your opinion way back then & has that lingered with you?
It has sort of lingered with me.
Since then I've had stronger more FOS worth posting suspicions of other players.

[Loose Canon]

Also this game has a Johari Window feel to me at present.
And I remember when on a management training course some years ago how the Johari window blew my mind - in a wow I've learned something new today kinda way.
And thats sorta leading me down the lines I'm trying to explore with all you guys right now.

[Extreme Ways]

honestly I dont remember what you are referring to and im too lazy to go find it.

I think Sonic was scum in a game I sat out? Idk I dont have experience with scum sonic either but his townie behaviour of being all over the place is easy to replace with agenda and that scares me.

[Extreme Ways]

On the contrary I think your thought process is very hard to fake as scum, I feel like you'd be way more pressed about survival rather than calculate the odds of hitting scum or whatever