EW's Semi-Open Matrix Madness

[Maxleod]

One thing i found... Odd. When Pixar asked to be replaced, he claimed Vanilla Town. Why? he was not about to be lynched. So why feed Scum info if you're Town? Still voting Pixar/Sonic.

[SoN!c]

One thing i found... Odd. When Pixar asked to be replaced, he claimed Vanilla Town. Why? he was not about to be lynched. So why feed Scum info if you're Town? Still voting Pixar/Sonic.

It is no secret Pixar hates being vanilla. He loves night action PR. And the duration of this game without things happening was too long. Hence his desire to be subbed. So lets make things happen. Its up to the players. We have just a few RL days left to do just that!

Vot and King have to get in here and decide ASAP. But i like our odds hitting scum way more between Ragian/Kong then chosing between Max/Dev.

Also, im glad your back from being MIA! Stay in touch Max

[Votanic]

One thing i found... Odd. When Pixar asked to be replaced, he claimed Vanilla Town. Why? he was not about to be lynched. So why feed Scum info if you're Town? Still voting Pixar/Sonic.

It is no secret Pixar hates being vanilla. He loves night action PR. And the duration of this game without things happening was too long. Hence his desire to be subbed. So lets make things happen. We have just a few RL days left to do just that!

Vot and King have to get in here and decide ASAP. But i like our odds hitting scum way more between Ragian/Kong then chosing between Max/Dev.

Also, im glad your back from being MIA! Stay in touch Max

You moron, I already placed my vote. Go back and find it!
I don't have the patience. You scampering around like a new puppy (runt o' the litter, btw), scampering around and begging for attention when everyone else has already put in long, grueling weeks on EW's poorly balanced psych-experiment masquerading as a game. Hint: no cheese was placed in Town's maze, so calm down, lab-rats.

No, I don't know if my guess is right, and this game is all about random guessing. Spin the wine-glasses. where they stop, nobody knows.
But you can bet the player who guesses right (if any), will claim brilliant deduction, post-hoc.

The Town PRs only benefit so far has been to semi-establish me and KingM as town, ...though Scum could potentially pull a fast one there as well.
I know I'm the 3-shot Tracker, and KingM builds a case for being the Inventor, and if that is true, then the third Town PR must be either 3-shot Roleblocker or Odd Night Doctor. hopefully, whoever is the third Town PR has also done that calculation, but if not I'm spelling it out here.

Yeah, Pixar (and thus now Sonic) could have been Scum. Scum players might actually be even more bored with this easy-win game.

I could switch my vote to Kong. His level of inactivity is intolerable for a Town player. It's only marginal, but acceptable, if he's Scum.

Yeah, Devante has a good set-up for being Scum... but so does almost everyone else.
Why Devante more than Fusi? strike? Charle? PMC?

Do you have any idea how easy it would be for Scum to establish themselves with a 'towny vibe" VERY EASY!
Giving good analysis and helpful suggestions does not strongly imply Town, ...because that is exactly how Scum should play!!!
Especially in a game with constant Scum day-chat and better Scum PRs that Town has...
OMG, every time I think about this game design it makes me sick. Every little thing, even not even being told the role of a dead Scum player is bent to give Scum the advantage...

One more thing, Sonic, I was not talking about LC... That's one more assumption you took a flying leap at and missed.

[Kingm]

Ok, lets switch then.

Unvote

Vote Max

[pmchugh]

I really don't like saying this because vot isn't actually bad at this game, but you don't like mafia. Mafia is a social deduction game, thats the whole point. You make educated guesses.

[Charle]

Ok, looks like pmc and Sonic can end this day for us.

Doc will save Votanic obviously tonight, but scum will probably block Vot as well, so our best bet will be if Max turns Scum Blocker. Our Doc cannot save tomorrow but if we lynch clever from now on, the game might be over soon.

[SoN!c]

I know your vote is on Max Vot. I was just hoping you would switch to a better candidate. It's like PMC says: Mafia is a social deduction game, thats the whole point. You make educated guesses. It's about deduction and deception.

What is our educated guess on Max? We are voting him because Charle posted his name sounds scummy..

I know education levels vary from country to country, but i wonder in which country we are when this qualifies as "educated guess"?

[Votanic]

Ok, looks like pmc and Sonic can end this day for us.

Doc will save Votanic obviously tonight, but scum will probably block Vot as well, so our best bet will be if Max turns Scum Blocker. Our Doc cannot save tomorrow but if we lynch clever from now on, the game might be over soon.

Woah!!!

Doc will save Votanic obviously tonight...

How do you know we have a Doc?!

[Votanic]

I really don't like saying this because vot isn't actually bad at this game, but you don't like mafia. Mafia is a social deduction game, thats the whole point. You make educated guesses.

I get the idea that some people think working only off of 'psychological vibes' is a more sophisticated or pure way to play, ...but it's not.
Even actual lie-detectors are largely a pseudo-scinece that only works if the authorities can dupe people into believing in them.
Very much like religion in that regard.
Real deduction requires real evidence... Ask Holmes, Poirot, Marple, Columbo... Ask anybody.

[SoN!c]

I really don't like saying this because vot isn't actually bad at this game, but you don't like mafia. Mafia is a social deduction game, thats the whole point. You make educated guesses.

I get the idea that some people think working only off of 'psychological vibes' is a more sophisticated or pure way to play, ...but it's not.
Even actual lie-detectors are largely a pseudo-scinece that only works if the authorities can dupe people into believing in them.
Very much like religion in that regard.
Real deduction requires real evidence... Ask Holmes, Poirot, Marple, Columbo... Ask anybody.

If somebody in here can play the entire game as scum and can dupe all other people (town) into believing in them they are town too then that's called "well played" Don't be the partypooper and play the game Vot. You hold the key in hand as you and King are confirmed town (with no counterclaim).

You ask questions and look for scummy vibes. And then vote for the one with most scummy vibes all around.

I agree randomized strategy is as good as any at this point but where is the fun in that?

[Extreme Ways]

Deadline as per usual
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive

I would appreciate a hammer before then, though.
I'm pretty sure it takes 6 to lynch, youre getting there!

Votecount:
Max: 4 - Charle, Votanic, Dev, Max
Kong: 2 - PMC, Strike
Dev: 1 - Ragian
Ragian: 1 - Sonic
Sonic: 1 - Max

[Devante]

Deadline as per usual
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive

I would appreciate a hammer before then, though.
I'm pretty sure it takes 6 to lynch, youre getting there!

Votecount:
Max: 4 - Charle, Votanic, Dev, Max
Kong: 2 - PMC, Strike
Dev: 1 - Ragian
Ragian: 1 - Sonic
Sonic: 1 - Max

You have Max in here twice, voting for himself

[Devante]

Ok, looks like pmc and Sonic can end this day for us.

Doc will save Votanic obviously tonight, but scum will probably block Vot as well, so our best bet will be if Max turns Scum Blocker. Our Doc cannot save tomorrow but if we lynch clever from now on, the game might be over soon.

Woah!!!

Doc will save Votanic obviously tonight...

How do you know we have a Doc?!

I'd like Charle to address this

[SoN!c]

Deadline as per usual
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive

I would appreciate a hammer before then, though.
I'm pretty sure it takes 6 to lynch, youre getting there!

Votecount:
Max: 4 - Charle, Votanic, Dev, Max
Kong: 2 - PMC, Strike
Dev: 1 - Ragian
Ragian: 1 - Sonic
Sonic: 1 - Max

You have Max in here twice, voting for himself

Max has 4 votes, so that is correct, 4th vote is King. Id like to wait on Charle to explain his "Our Doc cannot save tomorrow but if we lynch clever from now on, the game might be over soon" line first before voting Max or Kong.

To mee it feels like the game can be over soon but only in a scum winning scenario, so this does need some good explaining by Charle??

[Extreme Ways]

Deadline as per usual
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive

I would appreciate a hammer before then, though.
I'm pretty sure it takes 6 to lynch, youre getting there!

Votecount:
Max: 4 - Charle, Votanic, Dev, Kingm
Kong: 2 - PMC, Strike
Dev: 1 - Ragian
Ragian: 1 - Sonic
Sonic: 1 - Max

brain doesnt brain well

[Maxleod]

So, I'm at L-2. Time to claim I guess. Vanilla Town here.

Got a few things to say, I'll post tomorrow/later.

[SoN!c]

So, I'm at L-2. Time to claim I guess. Vanilla Town here.

Got a few things to say, I'll post tomorrow/later.

Well, i believe you are vanilla town and looking forward to your stuff. Make it good Max, super spicy and all - like measuring in at a whopping 14.6 Million SHUs on the Scoville scale...we need to hit scum so bad - no random f*ck vote is gonna make that happen


Even getting it as high as 6.4 Million Scoville Heat Units Chilli Extract with Chilli Powder - 100% Carolina Reaper 2 million shu 10g would be mindblowing stuff - but you can do it Chilli lives matter

[Charle]

Ok, looks like pmc and Sonic can end this day for us.

Doc will save Votanic obviously tonight, but scum will probably block Vot as well, so our best bet will be if Max turns Scum Blocker. Our Doc cannot save tomorrow but if we lynch clever from now on, the game might be over soon.

Woah!!!

Doc will save Votanic obviously tonight...

How do you know we have a Doc?!

Oh my word!! Have you missed this? Am I the only one playing here? A few RL days ago, before you revealed who you visited, we did not know whether it would have been matrix B or 2, we gave our blocker a day to come forward and if we have doc he obviously should have stayed quiet. We gave it actually 2 days, blocker did not reveal himself so we could assume we have doctor. Only after that you revealed that you visited King that brought us back to square 1.

Vot, let's move forward. Our blocker (if we have one) had a day to come forward, so we can assume we have the doctor which is good news if our assumptions are correct. Doc to save Vot tonight.

I suggest we lynch the person who you visited, there is a damn good chance that he is scum.

[Charle]

Deadline as per usual
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive

I would appreciate a hammer before then, though.
I'm pretty sure it takes 6 to lynch, youre getting there!

Votecount:
Max: 4 - Charle, Votanic, Dev, Max
Kong: 2 - PMC, Strike
Dev: 1 - Ragian
Ragian: 1 - Sonic
Sonic: 1 - Max

You have Max in here twice, voting for himself

Max has 4 votes, so that is correct, 4th vote is King. Id like to wait on Charle to explain his "Our Doc cannot save tomorrow but if we lynch clever from now on, the game might be over soon" line first before voting Max or Kong.

To mee it feels like the game can be over soon but only in a scum winning scenario, so this does need some good explaining by Charle??

My explaining of who are the three guilty ones was in the post below. By clever lynching I meant that we should stay within those 3, and by knowing if we have doc, I explained in the post before this one. But I must say, a few days ago there were only a few of us active here, so our blocker could even missed it when we asked him to reveal himself, meaning it is still possible that it could be that matrix as well now.

This is my summary for what it is worth:

Votanic - Town
King - Town
pmc - Town (his contributions so far is as good as we can get for town)
fusi - Town (not very active, but very good constructive posts when needed)
Sonic - Town (I don't think pixar would have changed his role if he was scum - I have a feeling at the moment scum have some fun)
Strike - Town (same as fusi, not very active but when he post it just townish in my opinion)
Devante - Town (at the start I also thought he was scum, but as per my previous post I think he is more town now)
Me - Town

This leaves us with 3 left:
Kong - was active at the start but now it seems he just post because he have to not saying really much
Ragian - I had my doubts about Ragian from the start for some reason
Max - Don't know about him, very quiet and I am happy to lynch him, even if my sixth sense is completely out and he turns town, he does not contribute.

It will be very interesting to hear what Max is going to say, and who will then take up his spot in the dirty trio.

[SoN!c]

So to summarise: Asking our blocker to reveal himself and thus concluding we are in matrix 2 because he did not and therefore the town 3-shot roleblocker does not exist. Okay

I swear, if the game ends and you flip scum im gonna think back on this moment laughing so hard with myself that we didn't see it.

[Charle]

So to summarise: Asking our blocker to reveal himself and thus concluding we are in matrix 2 because he did not and therefore the town 3-shot roleblocker does not exist. Okay

I swear, if the game ends and you flip scum im gonna think back on this moment laughing so hard with myself that we didn't see it.

You don't have to have sleepless nights about that, I am town.

You have to put yourself in the situation and atmosphere at that stage. Remember that Vot did not tell us who he visited, we thought we were right on the verge of uncovering scum, and we needed to know whether we have the blocker or Doc. When blocker did not come forward we decided that we must have doc then, and only after all of that, Vot told us he visited King. I thought I could eat my hat!

[Charle]

Now I am waiting for the Max story, which should be an interesting read. Just wondering why he takes so long, I don't remember that it took us that long to gather a bunch of bullsh*t when pmc, Sonic and I were scum

I am happy to change vote to Kong as well, we are going to hit something between those three, that's for sure.

[SoN!c]

When blocker did not come forward we decided that we must have doc then, and only after all of that, Vot told us he visited King. I thought I could eat my hat!

Yes - but you say it yourself "we decided that we must have doc then". Key word being "THEN". You say we have doc NOW


Just 2 RL day and 11 hours left before the deadline bells ring in Amsterdam

[SoN!c]

The roadbook for scum as found on mafia forum 451 starts with the basics of day play as scum. "Build connections, organize votes, keep yourself in a position of balance and convince the town to lynch themselves".

Let me quote a little part of the scum roadbook: "The goal of pressure as scum is to mirror how town pressures people": Are you in a game with stick in the mud players who don’t like aggressive play? Don’t pressure frequently, or they’ll lynch you just because they hate how you play. Are you In a game with a bunch of “rational thinkers” who get bogged down in the minutia of detailed posts that are 2000 words long? Make them drown in it and they’ll still call you town at the end. Match expectations and you’ll know what you’re getting. As mentioned above, town reads are not the only benefit to a connection, though obviously important to survival.

You can even put the names up there:
"stick in the mud players who don’t like aggressive play": Votanic
"rational thinkers who get bogged down in the minutia of detailed posts that are 2000 words long": Fusi lol

All in all, the scum roadbook is exactly you in this game Charle. You do not pressure or trigger Vot, you build connections, you made Vot go from voting you to following you on Max , Fusi calls you town, and you organized the vote on Max by saying his name sounds scummy . It's called "Well played" i believe

The only way i can explain your "doc slip up" ("Our Doc cannot save tomorrow but if we lynch clever from now on, the game might be over soon") is that you got your scum role mixed up with your pretended town role.
And your last post "and who will then take up his spot in the dirty trio.": Max is on 4 votes and you know we are gonna hammer any moment: this again sounds so scummy. It's like you already know Max will flip town and not scum. If Max is scum there is no dirty trio anymore, just 2 scummies left. Convincing the town to lynch themselves here?

who will then take up his spot in the dirty trio??

[Charle]

Oh Sonic, you are so wrong it is hilarious.

You do what you need to do, but we should try and hit scum today, going after me is going to loose you another day and another townie.

I am just waiting what Max will come up with. So by the way, my statement that I voted Max because of his name was a joke. I went for him after Vot revealed that he visited King and pmc suggested to kill Max in this post.

I would happily kill max at this point, only reason we haven't looked at him is people saying that he is in his town meta, when we have never seen his wolf meta.