Israel

[Votanic]

Well... actually some Wikipedia contributors went down that rabbit hole... and then you just cut & pasted the hole.

[HitRed]

I didn’t understand Duke’s connection with Natural Law and conservatives.

Natural Law conservatives

wouldn’t feed the poor. I’m thinking of the Catholics and they are likely to agree with N.L. and feed the hungry.

Tbf, if he changed it progressives/liberals I wouldn’t understand the connection either.

[Dukasaur]

So, what is Natural Law? Natural Law is a philosophy that has its roots in antiquity, but achieved its zenith during the Middle Ages through the Dominican friar Thomas Aquinas. The American Founding Fathers based much of their political ideas on Natural Law, as reflected by their reverence for natural rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. As the name implies Natural Law claims there is a natural order to the universe, specifically to human existence.

There are many, many Natural Laws in theory... but only one, de facto.
Everyone has their own opinion on the former... and few or none so stoic as to not wish to evade the full enforcement of the latter.
Indeed, that is the true test between the two! If you fight Natural Law and win, it was only a fancy, ...but if you must submit, then you are facing the 'real deal'.

Natural law can mean many different things in different contexts. It can even have a use in science, but that would be "natural law", lower-case.

"Natural Law", upper case, is a specific brand of Christian conservatism that holds that all things are as they should be, that logically, nothing can happen that isn't part of "God's plan." Taken to its logical conclusion, this means everything unfolds exactly as it should and everyone gets exactly what they deserve. If you're poor, it's because you obviously deserve to be poor. Maybe you're lazy, or maybe you're stupid, or maybe you're just a wicked sinner being punished, but in any case there's no point in anyone interfering in God's plan by helping you. If you're sick, maybe you have unclean personal habits, or maybe you're just unclean in the eyes of God, but again there's no point anyone trying to help you.

Of course most people will deny the logical consequences of their own beliefs, but statistics show what anecdotal evidence hides. For instance, analysis of court records in the Deep South shows that juries tend to give out much harsher punishments to criminals who were injured during the commission of their crime. Intuitively, one would think the opposite would be true -- that being injured would be treated as having been partially punished already, and lead to less remaining consequence. But in fact, whether they articulate it or not, these deeply conservative and religious juries seem to treat an injury as evidence that someone is obviously unworthy of mercy, and will heap on up to three times the sentence that they will give a healthy criminal.

[Dukasaur]

HR, I didn't see your question until afterward, but I believe I answered it anyway.

JP, just copying and pasting an article without taking the time to analyze it really doesn't contribute much.

[jusplay4fun]

HR, I didn't see your question until afterward, but I believe I answered it anyway.

JP, just copying and pasting an article without taking the time to analyze it really doesn't contribute much.

I gave more information about Natural Law. I wanted to learn more about it and did so by reading what I posted. There was no point to make, other than to add more facts to the discussion. Facts are the basis for good discussion, are they not? What was there to analyze? Was I to critique the facts? To try to refute them? I doubt it.

When I copied and pasted facts (data) from BLS, it was a basis for some discussion in another thread on economics. It did establish some facts. Unfortunately, a person misquoted what I posted.

[mookiemcgee]

When I copied and pasted facts (data) from BLS, it was a basis for some discussion in another thread on economics. It did establish some facts. Unfortunately, a person misquoted what I posted.

You didn't bother to summarize what you posted in that thread, and then acted like you'd made some kind of point which out actually attempting making a point... I simply did the data interpretation part for you.

[Votanic]

So, what is Natural Law? Natural Law is a philosophy that has its roots in antiquity, but achieved its zenith during the Middle Ages through the Dominican friar Thomas Aquinas. The American Founding Fathers based much of their political ideas on Natural Law, as reflected by their reverence for natural rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. As the name implies Natural Law claims there is a natural order to the universe, specifically to human existence.

There are many, many Natural Laws in theory... but only one, de facto.
Everyone has their own opinion on the former... and few or none so stoic as to not wish to evade the full enforcement of the latter.
Indeed, that is the true test between the two! If you fight Natural Law and win, it was only a fancy, ...but if you must submit, then you are facing the 'real deal'.

Natural law can mean many different things in different contexts. It can even have a use in science, but that would be "natural law", lower-case.

"Natural Law", upper case, is a specific brand of Christian conservatism that holds that all things are as they should be, that logically, nothing can happen that isn't part of "God's plan." Taken to its logical conclusion, this means everything unfolds exactly as it should and everyone gets exactly what they deserve. If you're poor, it's because you obviously deserve to be poor. Maybe you're lazy, or maybe you're stupid, or maybe you're just a wicked sinner being punished, but in any case there's no point in anyone interfering in God's plan by helping you. If you're sick, maybe you have unclean personal habits, or maybe you're just unclean in the eyes of God, but again there's no point anyone trying to help you.

Of course most people will deny the logical consequences of their own beliefs, but statistics show what anecdotal evidence hides. For instance, analysis of court records in the Deep South shows that juries tend to give out much harsher punishments to criminals who were injured during the commission of their crime. Intuitively, one would think the opposite would be true -- that being injured would be treated as having been partially punished already, and lead to less remaining consequence. But in fact, whether they articulate it or not, these deeply conservative and religious juries seem to treat an injury as evidence that someone is obviously unworthy of mercy, and will heap on up to three times the sentence that they will give a healthy criminal.

No doubt, but what is ironic in all this, is the removal of the weak/injured/otherwise inferior is largely Darwin's Survival of the Fitness in action, despite religious types often being opposed to the concept. I will assume you understand that there is no correlation with belief/political support of Darwinism and its actual practice, cause, and effect.

Remember, that polar bear cub, Knut, that was rejected by his mother. Bleeding hearts rushed to save the orphaned bear cub, but then he died sickly at only 4. In this case, mama knew best.

Or remember when the libtards rushed to save this guy from death row just because he was literally retarded (and also had that 'magical' skin color):
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna6235719

Yes indeed, the long, long, run, every vanity, conceit, and deceit will be filed and ground away, to reveal only the coldest and hardest of truths. (Perhaps, terminal entropy?)

In the mean time, just keep calling BS on the BSers... Well, at least when you think you might be able to get away with it.

[jusplay4fun]

When I copied and pasted facts (data) from BLS, it was a basis for some discussion in another thread on economics. It did establish some facts. Unfortunately, a person misquoted what I posted.

You didn't bother to summarize what you posted in that thread, and then acted like you'd made some kind of point which out actually attempting making a point... I simply did the data interpretation part for you.

Yes, I cited facts. You then made quotes for ME that were not appropriate nor true. I was allowing the data to speak for itself. Why did I need to summarize? The data was simple, cogent, and lucid.

[mookiemcgee]

When I copied and pasted facts (data) from BLS, it was a basis for some discussion in another thread on economics. It did establish some facts. Unfortunately, a person misquoted what I posted.

You didn't bother to summarize what you posted in that thread, and then acted like you'd made some kind of point which out actually attempting making a point... I simply did the data interpretation part for you.

Yes, I cited facts. You then made quotes for ME that were not appropriate nor true. I was allowing the data to speak for itself. Why did I need to summarize? The data was simple, cogent, and lucid.

It sure was! The data all points to the conclusions I summarized for you. If you disagree, then use your brain to explain why I'm wrong... don't just call me a liar and walk away.

[ConfederateSS]

--------Hamas turned down a 7 day truce... Hostages would have had to be released...
---------So the big picture in this saga, of Duel in the Gaza sands......
------NO CHRISTMAS TRUCE , NO CHRISTMAS MIRACLE...
------ It happened in World War I...Germans and British hung out with each other on Christmas Day , 1914 A.D...It happened again , in World War II(Lesser known)...When Allied and Axis troops were fighting up the Italian Boot....In the town of Ortuna(yes, Jp4fun, I know the town, spelling , close enough...)...The 2 sides stopped fighting, as Christmas mass started in the town... Enemies entered the church, and enjoyed a nice quiet Christmas mass...With each other... Fighting resumed the next day......
-------Come on Hamas, Israel...Stop on Christmas Day, you can go back to blood shed... January 2nd...I would of said January 6th...No,No...not that... January 6th, is the Feast of The Epiphany ... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[jusplay4fun]

When I copied and pasted facts (data) from BLS, it was a basis for some discussion in another thread on economics. It did establish some facts. Unfortunately, a person misquoted what I posted.

You didn't bother to summarize what you posted in that thread, and then acted like you'd made some kind of point which out actually attempting making a point... I simply did the data interpretation part for you.

Yes, I cited facts. You then made quotes for ME that were not appropriate nor true. I was allowing the data to speak for itself. Why did I need to summarize? The data was simple, cogent, and lucid.

It sure was! The data all points to the conclusions I summarized for you. If you disagree, then use your brain to explain why I'm wrong... don't just call me a liar and walk away.

Don't analyze the data and TRY To make it LOOK like I SAID THAT. You did; hence, you lied.

Own you own words and ideas. I finally got you to admit that.

I am not going to play THAT game. DONE.

Let's get back on Point: Hamas rejects the ceasefire idea. What are they hiding? Hamas does not want to release the hostages. Let me play like saxi and speculate: What atrocities done to the hostages are they hiding? How many are dead already?

[bigtoughralf]

Israel's bombardment of the Gaza Strip continued late into the night on Friday, with reports of sustained air strikes and ground attacks.

A strike on the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza killed at least 18 people, according to Palestinian media.

An air strike also destroyed a water treatment plant in Jabalia, northern Gaza, it added.

The Palestine Red Crescent Society said air strikes had been conducted near its Al-Amal Hospital in the southern city of Khan Younis.

Doctors Without Borders said in a post on X, formerly Twitter, that Israel's "indiscriminate strikes" on Gaza had "turned the north of the Strip into a pile of rubble".

The UN's World Food Programme says that about a quarter of all households in Gaza - roughly 500,000 people - are facing "catastrophic hunger conditions", with food and water running out.

At least 20,000 people have been killed and 50,000 injured in the Gaza Strip since then, according to the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67809242

[HitRed]

December 23, 23 Adoration

Sing unto me the King of Israel! For the Lord God has come to His people. Come, and behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. For my time of entry is coming. I shall be in the world once again. The greatest miracle occurred when I took flesh and became a little baby. The world did not know me as the world does not know me now and rejects all I am. Let not your heart grow hard. Come to the little baby with great love and open your heart to Him who is the Savior of the world. Come and behold the Christ, the Lord, the Son of the Living God! I am unfailing in love and in justice. Come to Him the Savior and the King.

[saxitoxin]

December 23, 23 Adoration

Sing unto me the King of Israel! For the Lord God has come to His people. Come, and behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. For my time of entry is coming. I shall be in the world once again. The greatest miracle occurred when I took flesh and became a little baby. The world did not know me as the world does not know me now and rejects all I am. Let not your heart grow hard. Come to the little baby with great love and open your heart to Him who is the Savior of the world. Come and behold the Christ, the Lord, the Son of the Living God! I am unfailing in love and in justice. Come to Him the Savior and the King.

Israelis spent the week celebrating by spitting on crucifixes:

[Votanic]

December 23, 23 Adoration

Sing unto me the King of Israel! For the Lord God has come to His people. Come, and behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. For my time of entry is coming. I shall be in the world once again. The greatest miracle occurred when I took flesh and became a little baby. The world did not know me as the world does not know me now and rejects all I am. Let not your heart grow hard. Come to the little baby with great love and open your heart to Him who is the Savior of the world. Come and behold the Christ, the Lord, the Son of the Living God! I am unfailing in love and in justice. Come to Him the Savior and the King.

Israelis spent the week celebrating by spitting on crucifixes:

Just NEVER forget, Palestine was NEVER the land of the Jew. it was always the land of many peoples and faiths.
Remember all that hate speech in the old Testament/Torah about Cannaanites, Philestines, Sodomites, etc.
Those were actually other Peoples and Cultures that the Hebrews insulted and attacked because they had to share the land with them. Obviously they never wanted to... and still don't.

[2dimes]

Abraham didn't mind sharing the land with Sodomites. In fact he petitioned on their behalf, asking if any good guys would be harmed there, before the lord lit them up.

[saxitoxin]

Good summary of the situation:

Understand this: Israelis are Europeans. All their leaders came from East Europe. Many have dual passports. They can easily go back to Europe but insist on staying in Palestine, stealing land, and if you stand up to them they kill you & call you a "terrorist".

Zionism is a cult

https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/statu ... p5zmg&s=19

Francesca Albanese, Italian attorney and United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, confirms that Israel does NOT have a so-called right of self-defense:

- Self-defense under international law is a term of legal art and means the right to wage war.
- This is consolidated jurisprudence of the supreme judicial organ of the United Nations.
- The right of self-defense can only be invoked when a state is threatened by another state.
- Israel is not under threat from another state. It is under threat from a private armed group operating from a territorial non-entity.
- Israel cannot claim the right of self-defense against a threat that emanates from its own territory, or territory it occupies.

https://twitter.com/ajitxsingh/status/1 ... 4335392943

[Dukasaur]

Good summary of the situation:

Understand this: Israelis are Europeans. All their leaders came from East Europe. Many have dual passports. They can easily go back to Europe but insist on staying in Palestine,

Kinda exactly the point, isn't it?

They come from European countries where for a thousand years they have been a minority -- exploited, persecuted, prosecuted, sometimes even slaughtered. All they want is one country to have for their own, where they will be left alone to prosper. Doesn't seem like a big ask.

[saxitoxin]

Good summary of the situation:

Understand this: Israelis are Europeans. All their leaders came from East Europe. Many have dual passports. They can easily go back to Europe but insist on staying in Palestine,

Kinda exactly the point, isn't it?

They come from European countries where for a thousand years they have been a minority -- exploited, persecuted, prosecuted, sometimes even slaughtered. All they want is one country to have for their own, where they will be left alone to prosper. Doesn't seem like a big ask.

It does if you're the people who have to get kicked out so they can have "one country to have for their own."

[Votanic]

Good summary of the situation:

Understand this: Israelis are Europeans. All their leaders came from East Europe. Many have dual passports. They can easily go back to Europe but insist on staying in Palestine,

Kinda exactly the point, isn't it?

They come from European countries where for a thousand years they have been a minority -- exploited, persecuted, prosecuted, sometimes even slaughtered. All they want is one country to have for their own, where they will be left alone to prosper. Doesn't seem like a big ask.

It does if you're the people who have to get kicked out so they can have "one country to have for their own."

Duk, can't see that clearly because he's had Jewish Exceptionalism marketed to him since childhood by manipulative media-control. Even the term 'anti-semitic' has become misused to refer only to Jews, when it actually refers to all Semitic peoples/languages, a group that also includes Arabs.

[Votanic]

Abraham didn't mind sharing the land with Sodomites. In fact he petitioned on their behalf, asking if any good guys would be harmed there, before the lord lit them up.

So now, we're blaming it on Yahweh? Even if we assume for a moment that Yahweh actually did send fire and brimstone to Sodom and Gomorrah, knocked down the walls of Jericho, and destroyed the temple of the Philistines*...
If so, then it must behoove the Jews/Hebrews/Israelis to distance themselves for this problematic, and warlike deity, lest they suffer guilt by association.

Actually, in this very thread, dozens of pages ago, I already strongly suggested that Palrael should distance itself from all things Abrahamic. No good ever comes from that sort of nonsense.

* as you can see, temple-destroying has a long history in the Palrael. It's part of their culture. First they destroy somebody else's temple, then they turn around and whine and wail about their own one being wrecked too.

[bigtoughralf]

Good summary of the situation:

Understand this: Israelis are Europeans. All their leaders came from East Europe. Many have dual passports. They can easily go back to Europe but insist on staying in Palestine,

Kinda exactly the point, isn't it?

They come from European countries where for a thousand years they have been a minority -- exploited, persecuted, prosecuted, sometimes even slaughtered. All they want is one country to have for their own, where they will be left alone to prosper. Doesn't seem like a big ask.

It does if you're the people who have to get kicked out so they can have "one country to have for their own."

Duk, can't see that clearly because he's had Jewish Exceptionalism marketed to him since childhood by manipulative media-control. Even the term 'anti-semitic' has become misused to refer only to Jews, when it actually refers to all Semitic peoples/languages, a group that also includes Arabs.

He's also made his home in a country that was quite literally founded on the slaughter and subjugation of the native peoples who previously occupied it, so Israeli-style settler occupation is presumably hardwired into his psyche these days.

[Votanic]

Good summary of the situation:

Understand this: Israelis are Europeans. All their leaders came from East Europe. Many have dual passports. They can easily go back to Europe but insist on staying in Palestine,

Kinda exactly the point, isn't it?

They come from European countries where for a thousand years they have been a minority -- exploited, persecuted, prosecuted, sometimes even slaughtered. All they want is one country to have for their own, where they will be left alone to prosper. Doesn't seem like a big ask.

It does if you're the people who have to get kicked out so they can have "one country to have for their own."

Duk, can't see that clearly because he's had Jewish Exceptionalism marketed to him since childhood by manipulative media-control. Even the term 'anti-semitic' has become misused to refer only to Jews, when it actually refers to all Semitic peoples/languages, a group that also includes Arabs.

He's also made his home in a country that was quite literally founded on the slaughter and subjugation of the native peoples who previously occupied it, so Israeli-style settler occupation is presumably hardwired into his psyche these days.

Subjugation? I don't know about that. Those First Nationers seem to be rasing a 'war cry' about everything nowadays. Burning down churchs and demanding landfill dig-ups that could cost well over $100 million... all the fuss being over corpses. That is taking human remain worship too far. If anything we should be encouraging cremation, bio-decomposition, and non-embalmed burials with minimum cost and resource expense. Of course, if there are some truly valuable 'paleo' remains give them to the research anthropologists so we can all learn more about human history and evolution.

[saxitoxin]

Update

After two years of war, civilians equal to 0.06% of Ukraine's population have been killed.

After two months of war, civilians equal to 1.2% of Gaza's population have been killed.

Meanwhile, South Africa today filed a claim against Israel to the ICJ accusing Israel of breaching the Genocide Convention. The ICJ can now investigate and order Israel to stop military operations. If it refuses, the ICJ can file a request with the ICC for arrest warrants against the Israeli government which would prevent them from traveling to any ICC member state, effectively limiting them to Israel, Russia, Zimbabwe, Chad and the U.S. (And they're not likely welcome in Chad, Zimbabwe or Russia.)

Finally, U.S. Muslim leaders have launched a 50 state "Abandon Biden" campaign to encourage Muslim Americans to vote for any candidate other than Genocide Joe.

https://abandonbiden24.com/press-release/?s=09

[HitRed]

December 30, 23 Adoration

God the Father

I tell of things from of old, ages past, but not forgotten. I have slipped away from the thoughts and hearts of men. How easily does man turn from his God. The only true God of Israel that goes back farther than time itself. How have men forgotten the lessons of old times past of those who dared to turn away from the God of Israel? I shall enter again as I did long ago to regain hearts that have strayed and those who have turned away. Gone are the days of old and the same lessons are having to be learned once again by this generation. The hearts of men go like the wind. I am the King of all hearts!