New America,The LEFT Glory to Abortion and Suicide!

[ConfederateSS]

---------It is Glory to die as a Warrior!!!...That is a Kool way to go...
----------- But The Left is making Suicide Kool , Glorifying Suicide...
----------- You can save money by committing suicide....Or it is now Kool...The founder of Studio 54 has flown to Europe to kill himself....A 20 year old Canadian is going to kill himself, he has intestine problems....It is the Left's new craze...Save money , committe suicide....Now I hate the Medical profession...It is all a medical scam....I agree with ... screw paying those asshole doctors... Health care is a scam....Put you trust in GOD.... Everyone is going to die...But, trust and faith...And you will be in GOD's Kingdom....but not if you kill yourself...

----------- The Health and Human Secretary....And Sen. Liz Warren , Rep. Sandy Cortez(AOC)....
----------- They don't want to drill for oil on Federal Land, you know , make gas a $1.00 a gallon....NO!!!

---------- They want to build Abortion Factories on Federal Land....You can't bury aborted babies...The Earth...Green New Deal...You will contaminate the soil....They despose of killed babies one way...In the furnace they go...
---------- That's a hospital.... Doesn't that polute the air?, for all the Green Radicals...
---------- But huge Abortion Factories on Federal Land...Where they get teenage girls without their parents knowledge,to come, using Social media....Will get to Companies paying their employees to go later....
---------- So Members of The U.S. Government want to support a plan....Nothing is off the table for Abortion they say....Nothing....You mean building factories on Federal Land...To Throw dead babies in an oven.... Really.... Didn't the U.S. Government storm the Beaches of Anzio, Normandy to stop people from being thrown in a Factory Oven.....WHY???
-------- Way to go USA and your LEFT RADICALS... ,WHO will pay for this??? The American people...

-------- As for Companies in the USA ...
-------- Let us go back over a 100 years ago and how far America has come...
-------- 100 years ago... Companies would build next to their Factories.... Hospitals,Schools, Churches, Housing for their workers families...No matter how many kids...
-------- But then came ,evil Unions, healthcare...
-------- The money scam....For now...Hell yeah!!!...In America in 2022 A.D. Companies will pay their employees...$4,000 to have them abort their kids....The Company saves money in the long run....No dependants added to the Company's healthcare....They love employees, with no kids, or families...They save, Money,Money,Money....
--------- Isn't nice, that alot of the Government leaders who want abortion...AOC ,etc...Have no kids...Think about it...
------------- America sure has come far....from The Late 19th,early 20th centuries....But look at America in the 21st Century....Look America...LOOK....... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[HitRed]

Life is a gift. Children are a gift.

[jusplay4fun]

Life is a gift. Children are a gift.

I agree on both KEY and important points, HR.

[HitRed]

Good story.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/s ... ife-memoir

[jimboston]

“huge abortion factories”

[KoolBak]

Even the titles to his awful threads irritate TF outta me

Ol toothless really needs to spend more time gathering sticks in his little red wagon. Sigh.

[HitRed]

Message on America

viewtopic.php?f=864&p=5252728#p5252728


God

[jusplay4fun]

Wonderful, enlightening, and insightful posts that encourage more discussion: NOT.

I will attempt to summarize and to advance this discussion. I think ConfedSS is lamenting the position of many who

1) advocate for abortion on demand (as another alternative to birth control);
2) the net result of which is killing of a HUMAN baby, at SOME point.
3) Many who advocate abortion are also advocating policies that bring about more depression and more suicide attempts.
4) Many who advocate for abortion on demand are really anti-Family.
5) Many who advocate for abortion on demand are really anti- Nuclear Family; that is, want other family options that include a Mother, Father, and their biological children.

Now families CAN be other arrangements, but the BEST arrangement (in most cases) are Mother, Father, and their biological children. Children can be raised in a wonderful, loving family situation in these other arrangements. And not every nuclear family is ideal or even close. Of Course. There is no real perfection in this world.

For some families, there are:
a) one parent, remarried, and thus the STEP child(ren) of the other parent;
b) a homosexual couple who adopt a child, one or more; OR,
c) a homosexual couple, who have a child of ONE of the two.

Just to clarify, a homosexual couple is INCAPABLE of having THEIR OWN Biological child.

Limiting abortions will, ultimately make more children available for adoption. OF course, abortion is a deeply personal and painful decision for anyone. But there is an interest in the society to PROTECT its children, those born and those not yet born. The mere NATURE of bringing a child into this world means that the Pregnant woman now represents MORE than just herself. That other person is a human child, at SOME point. And in all cases, pregnancy involves two humans, male and female. In vitro fertilization does eliminate or greatly reduces the role of the male. YES, I know enough Biology to understand THAT. But a child growing up in nearly ALL situations not knowing one parent is NOT in the best family situation, not the nuclear family.

We need to discuss rape here and to put some FACTS here:

Abstract
Objective: We attempted to determine the national rape-related pregnancy rate and provide descriptive characteristics of pregnancies that result from rape.

Study design: A national probability sample of 4008 adult American women took part in a 3-year longitudinal survey that assessed the prevalence and incidence of rape and related physical and mental health outcomes.

Results: The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion.

Conclusions: Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency. It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence. As we address the epidemic of unintended pregnancies in the United States, greater attention and effort should be aimed at preventing and identifying unwanted pregnancies that result from sexual victimization.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/

I am, frankly, surprised at this rather high number regarding rapes that result in pregnancies. It makes sense that this is often due to adolescent females attacked and impregnated by a "known, often related perpetrator"; i.e., a family member. Some are due to domestic abuse, but I did not see that number supported by data in the source cited above. NOTE that the 5% number is (it seems to me) an extrapolation of data and stats of relatively small study, as such rapes are not reported in all, most, or many cases.

[saxitoxin]

Yeah that'd be great going to Yosemite or Yellowstone and having to pass by the abortion tents. The Rats continue to prove they are Grade A nutcases. Even Old Joe was creeped out by the national park abortion tents proposal. (And he thinks abortion should be legal during labor.)

[saxitoxin]

First we take Manhattan. Then we take Berlin.

The plan to overturn abortion rights in Europe

The activists taking inspiration — and money — from US anti-abortion groups

https://www.politico.eu/article/roe-vs- ... on-groups/

[Dukasaur]

We need to discuss rape here and to put some FACTS here:

Abstract
Objective: We attempted to determine the national rape-related pregnancy rate and provide descriptive characteristics of pregnancies that result from rape.

Study design: A national probability sample of 4008 adult American women took part in a 3-year longitudinal survey that assessed the prevalence and incidence of rape and related physical and mental health outcomes.

Results: The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion.

Conclusions: Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency. It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence. As we address the epidemic of unintended pregnancies in the United States, greater attention and effort should be aimed at preventing and identifying unwanted pregnancies that result from sexual victimization.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/

I am, frankly, surprised at this rather high number regarding rapes that result in pregnancies. It makes sense that this is often due to adolescent females attacked and impregnated by a "known, often related perpetrator"; i.e., a family member.

I am not at all surprised that a high percentage of rapes result in pregnancy. First, as you note, a lot of them are adolescents, as rapists preferentially prey on the young. Furthermore, a great many are women who did not intend to become sexually active, and thus have not taken any kind of birth control.

[jusplay4fun]

We need to discuss rape here and to put some FACTS here:

Abstract
Objective: We attempted to determine the national rape-related pregnancy rate and provide descriptive characteristics of pregnancies that result from rape.

Study design: A national probability sample of 4008 adult American women took part in a 3-year longitudinal survey that assessed the prevalence and incidence of rape and related physical and mental health outcomes.

Results: The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion.

Conclusions: Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency. It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence. As we address the epidemic of unintended pregnancies in the United States, greater attention and effort should be aimed at preventing and identifying unwanted pregnancies that result from sexual victimization.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/

I am, frankly, surprised at this rather high number regarding rapes that result in pregnancies. It makes sense that this is often due to adolescent females attacked and impregnated by a "known, often related perpetrator"; i.e., a family member.

I am not at all surprised that a high percentage of rapes result in pregnancy. First, as you note, a lot of them are adolescents, as rapists preferentially prey on the young. Furthermore, a great many are women who did not intend to become sexually active, and thus have not taken any kind of birth control.

Thanks; that makes sense, Duk. HOWEVER, I did not expect 5.0 percent and 32,000+ cases (estimated). And yes, unexpected sexual encounter, so agreed, no birth control.

AND as YOUNG as 12...? Disgusting..!

Although I did hear that many abortions are done by those older than teens. Again, disproportionately high by ethnic and/or race (i.e., black/AA and Hispanic) for minorities.

[jimboston]

The rape and incest questions are red herrings…

either you…

1) believe in a woman’s right to choose… in which case you believe abortions should be legal

2) believe the fetus is in fact a living child… in which case any abortion is akin to murder. Why should an innocent baby be murdered because you (the mother) were assaulted? A mother wouldn’t go home and murder her kids if she was mugged… in a Pro-Lifer’s mind this is the same thing.

There is no “in between” on these two positions… and it’s unreasonable to think we could craft laws with the nuance to parse these questions and many other variables.

This is an either-or debate… and when people talk about heartbeats, and viability (outside the womb), and rape, and incest… these are all just bullshit distractions that the media and politicians throw out there to cloud the fact that it’s really just an ‘either-or’ issue.

[HitRed]

The rape and incest questions are red herrings…

either you…

1) believe in a woman’s right to choose… in which case you believe abortions should be legal

2) believe the fetus is in fact a living child… in which case any abortion is akin to murder. Why should an innocent baby be murdered because you (the mother) were assaulted? A mother wouldn’t go home and murder her kids if she was mugged… in a Pro-Lifer’s mind this is the same thing.

There is no “in between” on these two positions… and it’s unreasonable to think we could craft laws with the nuance to parse these questions and many other variables.

This is an either-or debate… and when people talk about heartbeats, and viability (outside the womb), and rape, and incest… these are all just bullshit distractions that the media and politicians throw out there to cloud the fact that it’s really just an ‘either-or’ issue.

Post of the year!

[HitRed]

Truth is always truth.

[jusplay4fun]

The rape and incest questions are red herrings…

either you…

1) believe in a woman’s right to choose… in which case you believe abortions should be legal

2) believe the fetus is in fact a living child… in which case any abortion is akin to murder. Why should an innocent baby be murdered because you (the mother) were assaulted? A mother wouldn’t go home and murder her kids if she was mugged… in a Pro-Lifer’s mind this is the same thing.

There is no “in between” on these two positions… and it’s unreasonable to think we could craft laws with the nuance to parse these questions and many other variables.

This is an either-or debate… and when people talk about heartbeats, and viability (outside the womb), and rape, and incest… these are all just bullshit distractions that the media and politicians throw out there to cloud the fact that it’s really just an ‘either-or’ issue.

Post of the year!

Did I talk about heartbeat or viability? NO, Jimmy-B again uses words to twist my position and to be NEEDLESSLY confrontational.

What do you believe, Jimmy-B? All you do is attack others and here you do not take a stand. You merely call the position of unnamed "people" as "unreasonable " and are just as full of "distractions." Jimmy-B provided more cursory and ill-informed analysis, despite what HR may think.

"Post of the year!"?? NO, it is mere hyperbole. PERIOD.

[saxitoxin]

either you…

1) believe in a woman’s right to choose… in which case you believe abortions should be legal

ITT I learned that 100% of Pro Choicers believe that, if a woman is going into labor and is like "f*ck - this isn't what I signed up for" she should be able to -- 2 minutes before birth -- have an ice-pick* shoved into the child's skull, the body scooped out, and then thrown in the waste bin. Yikes.


* medical term - "curvette"

[mookiemcgee]

I'm guessing zero people in this thread have adopted

[saxitoxin]

I'm guessing zero people in this thread have adopted

Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption.

https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregn ... 20adoption.

[mookiemcgee]

I'm guessing zero people in this thread have adopted

Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption.

https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregn ... 20adoption.

Saxi has never adopted, he's only tried for 15-17 year old females to make them sex slaves but those adoptions have never gone through.

It's been a fun thread of older men talking about abortion though... maybe you guys can start another thread about period cycles next?

[saxitoxin]

I'm guessing zero people in this thread have adopted

Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption.

https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregn ... 20adoption.

Saxi has never adopted, he's only tried for 15-17 year old females to make them sex slaves but those adoptions have never gone through.

It's been a fun thread of older men talking about abortion though... maybe you guys can start another thread about period cycles next?

I'm already on record in CC saying we should ban them cause menstruation is disgusting and grosses me out.

[Dukasaur]

It's been a fun thread of older men talking about abortion though... maybe you guys can start another thread about period cycles next?

I reject the idea that because I can't be pregnant, my opinion on pregnancy is meaningless.

If your doctor has never had meningitis, would you reject his opinion on meningitis and refuse to let him treat you?

Did you visit the Andromeda Galaxy before forming an opinion about it?

Do I need to die before I can express a meaningful opinion about death?

The rape and incest questions are red herrings…

either you…

1) believe in a woman’s right to choose… in which case you believe abortions should be legal

2) believe the fetus is in fact a living child… in which case any abortion is akin to murder. Why should an innocent baby be murdered because you (the mother) were assaulted? A mother wouldn’t go home and murder her kids if she was mugged… in a Pro-Lifer’s mind this is the same thing.

There is no “in between” on these two positions… and it’s unreasonable to think we could craft laws with the nuance to parse these questions and many other variables.

This is an either-or debate… and when people talk about heartbeats, and viability (outside the womb), and rape, and incest… these are all just bullshit distractions that the media and politicians throw out there to cloud the fact that it’s really just an ‘either-or’ issue.

You can believe that 1 and 2 both exist and accept that there is a difficult balancing act between them. Teenagers just forming a worldview see things as black or white. Part of growing up is realizing that almost everything is a shade of grey and there are points to be made on both sides.

Heartbeats are meaningless. An earthworm has a heartbeat. What does have meaning, however, is brain activity sufficiently complex for cognitive thought to be taking place. That's the point where I start worrying about the feelings of the fetus.

The technology is sufficiently advanced that we can measure fetal brain activity. It may not be super-simple, but it is possible to demarcate a line where we think the brain activity is sufficiently complex that we are causing suffering if we kill the fetus. Killing a lump of cells that has a heartbeat but no brain activity certainly isn't murder. We don't call it murder when we turn off the life support of an adult human who has a heartbeat but no brain activity. Conversely, once brain activity of sufficient complexity is taking place, the argument can certainly be made that there's a being there and killing it is murder.

[Dukasaur]

I agree, smoking Kool is a form of suicide.

Although I'm not sure if there's any stats on whether lefties smoke more than righties.

[saxitoxin]

I generally agree with Duk that human life does not begin at conception.

In Islam, life begins 40 days after conception when the soul enters the fetus and abortion is permitted in Islam up until then. I think that's as good a guide as any and would ban abortion being performed after week 6. But I would rather have a blanket ban than blanket permission.

[jusplay4fun]

It's been a fun thread of older men talking about abortion though... maybe you guys can start another thread about period cycles next?

I reject the idea that because I can't be pregnant, my opinion on pregnancy is meaningless.

If your doctor has never had meningitis, would you reject his opinion on meningitis and refuse to let him treat you?

Did you visit the Andromeda Galaxy before forming an opinion about it?

Do I need to die before I can express a meaningful opinion about death?

The rape and incest questions are red herrings…

either you…

1) believe in a woman’s right to choose… in which case you believe abortions should be legal

2) believe the fetus is in fact a living child… in which case any abortion is akin to murder. Why should an innocent baby be murdered because you (the mother) were assaulted? A mother wouldn’t go home and murder her kids if she was mugged… in a Pro-Lifer’s mind this is the same thing.

There is no “in between” on these two positions… and it’s unreasonable to think we could craft laws with the nuance to parse these questions and many other variables.

This is an either-or debate… and when people talk about heartbeats, and viability (outside the womb), and rape, and incest… these are all just bullshit distractions that the media and politicians throw out there to cloud the fact that it’s really just an ‘either-or’ issue.

You can believe that 1 and 2 both exist and accept that there is a difficult balancing act between them. Teenagers just forming a worldview see things as black or white. Part of growing up is realizing that almost everything is a shade of grey and there are points to be made on both sides.

Heartbeats are meaningless. An earthworm has a heartbeat. What does have meaning, however, is brain activity sufficiently complex for cognitive thought to be taking place. That's the point where I start worrying about the feelings of the fetus.

The technology is sufficiently advanced that we can measure fetal brain activity. It may not be super-simple, but it is possible to demarcate a line where we think the brain activity is sufficiently complex that we are causing suffering if we kill the fetus. Killing a lump of cells that has a heartbeat but no brain activity certainly isn't murder. We don't call it murder when we turn off the life support of an adult human who has a heartbeat but no brain activity. Conversely, once brain activity of sufficient complexity is taking place, the argument can certainly be made that there's a being there and killing it is murder.

Post of the MONTH, in this thread. +2..!