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[jimboston]

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prev ... 1848971668

https://www.theonion.com/mitch-mcconnel ... 1848977425

Saxi… your bending of stats has long been a well known trope in this forum… but usually you do a better job disguising your bullshit.

If you want to parse out different types of gun violence fine… but this focus on this “active shooter” definition you’ve been fed by the NRA is lame. Sure, exclude suicides… exclude accidental deaths from guns… exclude gang-on-gang violence… exclude death by police shootings… exclude domestic violence shootings.

Even when you exclude all these other deaths… the simple fact is that our numbers in the US are astounding. Too many young innocent children have been shot, and people like you just don’t give a f*ck. It’s not just sad, it’s disgusting.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/24/11010509 ... ngs-so-far

https://www.insider.com/number-of-mass- ... ear-2022-5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... es_in_2022

Shove your fake 2020 numbers up your ass.

[jimboston]

Bitchin’ about school closings in 2020 (due to Covid).

Next thread using the fact that there were no schools shootings in 2020 because the schools were closed to “win” some bullshit argument he doesn’t care about.

= Typical Saxi

[saxitoxin]

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668

https://www.theonion.com/mitch-mcconnel ... 1848977425

Saxi… your bending of stats has long been a well known trope in this forum… but usually you do a better job disguising your bullshit.

If you want to parse out different types of gun violence fine… but this focus on this “active shooter” definition you’ve been fed by the NRA is lame. Sure, exclude suicides… exclude accidental deaths from guns… exclude gang-on-gang violence… exclude death by police shootings… exclude domestic violence shootings.

Even when you exclude all these other deaths… the simple fact is that our numbers in the US are astounding. Too many young innocent children have been shot, and people like you just don’t give a f*ck. It’s not just sad, it’s disgusting.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/24/11010509 ... ngs-so-far

https://www.insider.com/number-of-mass- ... ear-2022-5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... es_in_2022

Shove your fake 2020 numbers up your ass.

Nothing parsed. You want the same gun laws used by the states with the worst homicide rates. It's as simple as that.

The US is culturally and geographically more similar to Brazil (tight gun control, high homicide) than Belgium (tight gun control, low homicide). Tight gun control would result in Brazil like conditions in the US, not Belgian like conditions. All statistics in places like Illinois and Maryland prove that but you don't care.

Your primary concern is about making yourself feel good by virtue signalling, not saving others lives. You're a fundamentally bad person. The fact you've covered yourself in a support blanket of like-minded people echoing back that you're good and ethical for wanting to turn the U.S. into a Rio or Chicago-like Murdertopia doesn't change that. You're wicked. You care only about #1. Just accept it and own it.

States with "A" Ratings (most restrictive gun laws) from Giffords vs Homicide Rate
- Illinois - 11.2 murders per 100K
- Maryland - 11.4 murders per 100K
- California - 6.1 murders per 100K

States with "F" Ratings (least restrictive gun laws) from Giffords vs Homicide Rate
- Vermont - 0 murders per 100K
- Maine - 0 murders per 100K
- Utah - 2.1 murders per 100K

European homicide rate
- 1.7 murders per 100K

Brazil homicide rate
- 23.6 murders per 100K

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[saxitoxin]

The New Zealand Herald today reports that Kiwis are living in fear of roving gangs, with an underfunded police powerless to help and unarmed residents left with no way to deter being terrorized by the emboldened criminals.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-ben ... UKMZGSBYY/

Meanwhile, the cackling harpie millionaire PM Jacinda Marimba smiles from behind her private cordon of armed guards as the peasants try to fend for themselves as best they can.

The price of a low homicide rate is living in terror and tyranny where the strongest make the rules.

[mookiemcgee]

The New Zealand Herald today reports that Kiwis are living in fear of roving gangs, with an underfunded police powerless to help and unarmed residents left with no way to deter being terrorized by the emboldened criminals.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-ben ... UKMZGSBYY/

Meanwhile, the cackling harpie millionaire PM Jacinda Marimba smiles from behind her private cordon of armed guards as the peasants try to fend for themselves as best they can.

The price of a low homicide rate is living in terror and tyranny where the strongest make the rules.

As opposed to America which is completely crime free right?

[saxitoxin]

The New Zealand Herald today reports that Kiwis are living in fear of roving gangs, with an underfunded police powerless to help and unarmed residents left with no way to deter being terrorized by the emboldened criminals.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-ben ... UKMZGSBYY/

Meanwhile, the cackling harpie millionaire PM Jacinda Marimba smiles from behind her private cordon of armed guards as the peasants try to fend for themselves as best they can.

The price of a low homicide rate is living in terror and tyranny where the strongest make the rules.

As opposed to America which is completely crime free right?

The fact is, in virtually every category of crime except homicide, New Zealand surpasses the United States.

https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/file ... an2012.pdf

America has an above average homicide rate, 99% of which consists of criminals killing each other or domestic violence. A permissive gun culture buys us low rates of randomized violence like rapes, burglaries and assaults.

Countries like New Zealand have chosen to turn themselves into nations in which their whole population is being constantly victimized by thugs all so hyena politicians like Marimba Jolinda can smugly declare victory over a statistically rare and aberrant crime that gets headlines. They're fine with 100 innocent girls getting raped to within an inch of their lives so long as no one gets shot in a drug deal gone bad.

[jimboston]

The New Zealand Herald today reports that Kiwis are living in fear of roving gangs, with an underfunded police powerless to help and unarmed residents left with no way to deter being terrorized by the emboldened criminals.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-ben ... UKMZGSBYY/

Meanwhile, the cackling harpie millionaire PM Jacinda Marimba smiles from behind her private cordon of armed guards as the peasants try to fend for themselves as best they can.

The price of a low homicide rate is living in terror and tyranny where the strongest make the rules.

Paywall

[riskllama]

The New Zealand Herald today reports that Kiwis are living in fear of roving gangs, with an underfunded police powerless to help and unarmed residents left with no way to deter being terrorized by the emboldened criminals.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-ben ... UKMZGSBYY/

Meanwhile, the cackling harpie millionaire PM Jacinda Marimba smiles from behind her private cordon of armed guards as the peasants try to fend for themselves as best they can.

The price of a low homicide rate is living in terror and tyranny where the strongest make the rules.

Paywall

meh, sounds a lot like your typical saxi hyperbole to me...*shrugs*

[jonesthecurl]

hyperbollox more like.

[mookiemcgee]

The New Zealand Herald today reports that Kiwis are living in fear of roving gangs, with an underfunded police powerless to help and unarmed residents left with no way to deter being terrorized by the emboldened criminals.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-ben ... UKMZGSBYY/

Meanwhile, the cackling harpie millionaire PM Jacinda Marimba smiles from behind her private cordon of armed guards as the peasants try to fend for themselves as best they can.

The price of a low homicide rate is living in terror and tyranny where the strongest make the rules.

As opposed to America which is completely crime free right?

The fact is, in virtually every category of crime except homicide, New Zealand surpasses the United States.

https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/file ... an2012.pdf

You say this as fact, and then site a source THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT AT ALL! THE LIST COPIED FROM YOUR SOURCE:
Homicide US 5 , NZ 1.5 USA IS HIGHER
Rape NZ 30.6 , US 28.6
Robbery US 133 , NZ 52 USA IS HIGHER
Assault US 262 , NZ 23 USA IS HIGHER
Burglary (NON-VIOLENT) NZ 1386 , 715 US

so out of the 5 categories US is worse in 3 of them, it direct contrast to your claim that "in virtually every category of crime except homicide, New Zealand surpasses the United States."

Also US jails 2250% as many people per capita. Currently the amount of people in prison in the USA is equal to about 30% of NZ's total population (1.5m vs 5m).

Lazy Saxi, read your own sources in the future before posting

[saxitoxin]

The New Zealand Herald today reports that Kiwis are living in fear of roving gangs, with an underfunded police powerless to help and unarmed residents left with no way to deter being terrorized by the emboldened criminals.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-ben ... UKMZGSBYY/

Meanwhile, the cackling harpie millionaire PM Jacinda Marimba smiles from behind her private cordon of armed guards as the peasants try to fend for themselves as best they can.

The price of a low homicide rate is living in terror and tyranny where the strongest make the rules.

As opposed to America which is completely crime free right?

The fact is, in virtually every category of crime except homicide, New Zealand surpasses the United States.

https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/file ... an2012.pdf

You say this as fact, and then site a source THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT AT ALL! THE LIST COPIED FROM YOUR SOURCE:
Homicide US 5 , NZ 1.5 USA IS HIGHER
Rape NZ 30.6 , US 28.6
Robbery US 133 , NZ 52 USA IS HIGHER
Assault US 262 , NZ 23 USA IS HIGHER
Burglary (NON-VIOLENT) NZ 1386 , 715 US

so out of the 5 categories US is worse in 3 of them, it direct contrast to your claim that "in virtually every category of crime except homicide, New Zealand surpasses the United States."

Also US jails 2250% as many people per capita. Currently the amount of people in prison in the USA is equal to about 30% of NZ's total population (1.5m vs 5m).

Lazy Saxi, read your own sources in the future before posting

You left out car theft and some others. Intentionally or not, who can know.

That's great the US jails thugs. Jailing thugs and giving law abiding citizens a means to protect themselves is what keeps us from becoming a lawless society of rapes and burglaries like New Zealand.

BTW - I just made an online donation to the GOA. The NRA is too liberal for my taste. I'm doing my part to keep America from descending into a rape and stabbing culture despite your best efforts to see us transformed into your dystopian dream of Chicago or Baltimore.

[saxitoxin]

[mookiemcgee]

https://people.howstuffworks.com/what-i ... -world.htm

"When we focus on what the survey found about what might be "polite" qualities — such as how easy it is to make friends in a country, feel welcome at work and adjust to the new culture overall — New Zealand, Ireland and Australia are in the top three (respectively).


https://www.mobal.com/blog/travel-talk/ ... countries/

"4th Rudest county: USA

'Rudest are New Yorkers' ”


Robert Heinlein should consider another career like maybe writing science fiction

[riskllama]

well played, mook...

*polite clapping*

[saxitoxin]

https://people.howstuffworks.com/what-i ... -world.htm

"When we focus on what the survey found about what might be "polite" qualities — such as how easy it is to make friends in a country, feel welcome at work and adjust to the new culture overall — New Zealand, Ireland and Australia are in the top three (respectively).


https://www.mobal.com/blog/travel-talk/ ... countries/

"4th Rudest county: USA

A poll of 38 readers of the blog of a SIM card reseller ... you sure showed me.

[riskllama]

he sure did!!!

[saxitoxin]

No matter what happens there will be no gun control. We control the courts and in six months we'll control the Senate for at least six years. If you don't like the status quo, there's 192 other countries you can move to, 189 of which have strict gun control. Whining about the lack of gun control is like whining about the lack of hobbits. It's a waste of your time. Chase a different losing cause.

FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!

[riskllama]

sure. you say that now, but...

I think that some type of graduated licensing might be the best fit for you guys, say like, you can possess only shotguns & bolt actions until the age of...I dunno, let's say 25? and then, you can apply for your handguns and possibly semi auto "assault" rifles. all of this would ofc be preceded by all the requisite background checks, etc I'd have to take a closer look at what the gun laws down there actually are, but at the rate you guys are going, doing something like that would be better than doing nothing at all, imo.

[ConfederateSS]

-----------
----------- As in Buffalo, The Texas killer kid...was in police watch, as in Buffalo, he wrote 4 years ago he was going to shoot up a school in 2022 A.D., arrested, talked to by police, even forced to see professional help

This is the first I have heard of this. Can you provide a link?

------------- As the Radical Left,

Isn't this part of the problem? When someone doesn't agree with others they get called the radical left or the radical right. I feel it isn't a discussion anymore when you start calling people names.

------------- Just think if there where as many BIBLES or other books of Faith...As Guns...So Americans could be raised on the right path...If guns cross one's path...One would know the responsibility of handling and owning one...

So are you saying the gun rights advocates don't have enough bibles? Or should I say gun owners?

-----------Lets go through one by one....
--------------- What I said has been fact checked by official sources and reported by Fox News...If you watch fake news..That is on you....

---------------- The Shooter in Buffalo was investigated , and arrested, had to seek help, for wanting to shoot up his High School Graduation...That did not show up on his gun background check...
---------------- The Shooter in Texas 4 years earlier was investigated for writing he was going to shoot up a school his Senior Year....He also spent time in Juvenile Detention...After He turned 18 he bought his weapons...His now adult background check didn't show his juvenile record...Same with the Buffalo shooter, his past before age 18 didn't show his record..


---------------- Radical Left....If someone doesn't agree with others.....You mean The Left Fake News.... Chicago, New York, L.A...The 3 Biggest Media Markets...Hide the fact ...YES FACT!!!!...not an agree or disagree discussion....FACT...That those 3 cities have the toughest Gun Laws in the Country...Not just from guns...People are being killed by horrific numbers...day by day....week by week...year by year....But the Fake Radical Media doesn't cover it....IT IS FINE IN THOSE CITIES... EVERYTHING IS FINE.... ...UNTIL THEY THE FAKE MEDIA Start reporting the TRUTH, the Killings will continue, Gun or No Gun...

--------------- Not Gun Activist, or Gun Owners.... Everyone should have some kind of Bible or Book of Faith... America was founded on Faith...But the Left/Democratic Party has been breaking up The Traditional American family for years... Destroying Faith in GOD, or other forms of worship....Other than The Democratic Party itself...
--------------- The lack of a strong Traditional , Religious , American upbringing... America has...Single Moms, fatherless households... Latchkey Kids...for decades...As one generation , raises their kids worse, than they were raised...From The Radical, Yes Radical 1960's A.D. till Now...2 or 3 generations...Of Left brainwashed Faithless Americans...Here we are in 2022 A.D...America .... As crime, senseless human slaughter fill our streets and homes, schools... America has The Left Media,The Democratic Party to Blame for it... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[saxitoxin]

I think that some type of graduated licensing might be the best fit for you guys, say like, you can possess only shotguns & bolt actions until the age of...I dunno, let's say 25? and then, you can apply for your handguns and possibly semi auto "assault" rifles.

That law would be roundly opposed by both gun control and gun rights advocates.

It would essentially end mass shootings. Fifty percent of mass shootings are by U25s and 88% of them use legal guns.

Without mass shootings, gun control groups can't raise money. No one donates to stop criminals from gunning each other down. Because, for all the crocodile tears jones and jim cry, at the end of the day they only donate to gun control groups because they think doing so will protect themselves being victimized by randomized violence; they don't really care about children or women being shot, those are just props for them. Mass shootings are the currency of the gun control lobby. Without mass shootings they all go bankrupt.

And gun rights groups will oppose it for obvious reasons. Because we can't give an inch for fear they'll take a mile. If we make even the simplest regulations monstrously difficult to enact, then we can scare them away from trying tougher ones.

[riskllama]

I think that some type of graduated licensing might be the best fit for you guys, say like, you can possess only shotguns & bolt actions until the age of...I dunno, let's say 25? and then, you can apply for your handguns and possibly semi auto "assault" rifles.

That law would be roundly opposed by both gun control and gun rights advocates.

It would essentially end mass shootings.

you're welcome. came up w/it in like 15 minutes whilst watching TV, it really wasn't that hard tbh. you guys'll probably have to do a bit of work in regards to the whole "gun culture" thing you've got going on down there, as well. perhaps I'll give it some more thought sometime this week for you.

llama = helping

[mookiemcgee]

--------------- Not Gun Activist, or Gun Owners.... Everyone should have some kind of Bible or Book of Faith... America was founded on Faith...But the Left/Democratic Party has been breaking up The Traditional American family for years... Destroying Faith in GOD, or other forms of worship....Other than The Democratic Party itself...

We don't need gun bans, or waiting periods or anything. The problem will solve itself we just need...

[mookiemcgee]

No matter what happens there will be no gun control. We control the courts and in six months we'll control the Senate for at least six years. If you don't like the status quo, there's 192 other countries you can move to, 189 of which have strict gun control. Whining about the lack of gun control is like whining about the lack of hobbits. It's a waste of your time. Chase a different losing cause.

[HitRed]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/canadas-t ... y-buybacks

Canada

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Monday that his government is introducing legislation to "implement national freeze on handgun ownership" throughout the country.

"What this means is that it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer, or import handguns anywhere in Canada," Trudeau said at a press conference.

The legislation will also create new red flag laws that will allow courts to remove guns and suspend licenses for people who pose a threat to themselves or others. Magazines that hold more than five rounds will also be banned under the new laws

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _of_Canada

[saxitoxin]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/canadas-trudeau-freeze-handgun-ownership-mandatory-buybacks

Canada

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Monday that his government is introducing legislation to "implement national freeze on handgun ownership" throughout the country.

"What this means is that it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer, or import handguns anywhere in Canada," Trudeau said at a press conference.

The legislation will also create new red flag laws that will allow courts to remove guns and suspend licenses for people who pose a threat to themselves or others. Magazines that hold more than five rounds will also be banned under the new laws

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _of_Canada

My state recently issued a ban on high-capacity magazines (mags that carry 10+ rounds) with magazines purchased prior to the ban being grandfathered in. I immediately bought three high-capacity magazines (two for a certain model long gun and one for a certain model handgun) and have until July to get a few more.