UK, Norway and Sweden best in Europe

[bigtoughralf]

The UK and Scandi's laissez-faire approach to virus management has once again been vindicated, as pretty much the entire continent has been forced to plunge itself back into lockdown while superior northern European countries continue to party, mingle and fornicate freely (the darker the colour, the greater the degree of freedom people still have):



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -surge-map

[bigtoughralf]

Update: Netherlands, Belgium and Austria have all descended into rioting and looting as the bumbling authorities' mismanagement of the pandemic has forced all three countries into lockdowns. Germany is looking likely to follow suit. Christmas is once again CANCELLED for Europeans.

Meanwhile I will be going to a nightclub on Saturday and then either having casual sex with a stranger or (more likely) attending a jam packed chicken shop, because I live in a much better-run country (the UK).

[The ram]

Update: Netherlands, Belgium and Austria have all descended into rioting and looting as the bumbling authorities' mismanagement of the pandemic has forced all three countries into lockdowns. Germany is looking likely to follow suit. Christmas is once again CANCELLED for Europeans.

Do you always carry lube in your man bag in case one of these 'strangers ' is well hung?

[riskllama]

real men don't use lube, rammy...

[bigtoughralf]

New research from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine - one of the world's top public health universities - has found that, freed from the deadweight of the European Union, the UK has been able to:

• Smash both its vaccine and booster campaigns
• Make tests more readily and freely available
• Therefore press ahead with opening up again this summer
• Avoid a winter spike
• AVOID CANCELLING CHRISTMAS

bbc.co.uk/news/health-59378849

[saxitoxin]

Christmas is once again CANCELLED for Europeans.

Meanwhile I will be going to a nightclub on Saturday and then either having casual sex with a stranger

the true spirit of the holidays

[JdeV 100]

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2843/ < Just an opinion. I know it wasn't on the BBC site but, doctors.

From the data, it should be clear that it is a simple matter of pragmatism and survival, not of politics. Current measures are not sufficient and vaccines across the age range (including third doses), masks, greater tolerance of work-from-home, ventilation, and even use of “ green pass” certification may be needed to get us safely through the winter.

I'm not celebrating who has done best in this deadly shitshow! Are you, really?! It's been a nearly 2-year emergency and you still can't react. The BBC will show us our houses burning down, you'll say "look it's us!" and switch to the footie. It's been horrible. It's not over.

[bigtoughralf]

Those authors make a random, unreferenced claim that the UK is one of the worst countries in Europe for a metric that they don't even identify. Forgive me for looking at the BBC's graphs, using John Hopkins University data, that show the UK doing better than Netherlands, Belgium, Germany etc. and thinking those are better evidence than 'it's bad because trust me!'.

The UK's daily case rate and deaths have held stable since July with basically no controls in place. The so called 'Freedom Day' when nightclubs and music festivals were reopened had no discernible impact on either statistic. Enjoy your terror if you like but the numbers don't lie.

[JdeV 100]

Those authors make a random, unreferenced claim that the UK is one of the worst countries in Europe for a metric that they don't even identify. Forgive me for looking at the BBC's graphs, using John Hopkins University data, that show the UK doing better than Netherlands, Belgium, Germany etc. and thinking those are better evidence than 'it's bad because trust me!'.

The UK's daily case rate and deaths have held stable since July with basically no controls in place. The so called 'Freedom Day' when nightclubs and music festivals we're reopened had no discernible impact on either stat. Enjoy your terror if you like but the numbers don't lie.

Because we didn't previously have year-round deaths at more than twice the rate of seasonal flu, and some people can't accept that this wasn't political and that we were in it together, and we never truly saw through a stitch in time because "kids don't spread it", "we can't be expected to cancel holidays/clubnights/pub visits", "do you expect me to do this forever" etc etc, devastating for those of us who made actual sacrifices and lost out, and continue to do so, to see how ill-educated people are; it is bad.

[JdeV 100]

I hope all your family is OK.

[bigtoughralf]

we were in it together

Wrong, soz. People in poor areas were twice as likely to die as those in rich areas. Presumably due to poorer people having a combo of more comorbidities and more jobs that involve face to face dealings with the public.

The rest of your post sounds like an emotional argument rather than a rational one. What's your solution that gives us 0 deaths? Even NZ has given up on the elimination strategy.

[JdeV 100]

we were in it together

Wrong, soz. People in poor areas were twice as likely to die as those in rich areas. Presumably due to poorer people having a combo of more comorbidities and more jobs that involve face to face dealings with the public.

That is true, and my complaint is people were not properly educated, in general and specifically in terms of government guidance, and didn't take it seriously, and self-serving rich people didn't take it seriously. Public hygiene and policy solutions are well-discussed in any article on the subject in the peer-reviewed journal I linked but a broader solution starts with acknowledging a global problem, the same issues writ large, that only some countries like NZ actually cared to tackle and it worked! But it is a contagion, they needed us all to do it. The rest of the world is like you, but it is possible to coordinate policy. South America, China, Africa have all complied with mandates in the past but western countries, left and right, have relied on good old white supremacy. If the solution comes too late, my own solution is to appeal to others to respect that doctors in covid wards still watching some patients die and turning others away are begging the public to wear masks out, and stay in more. You're so insulting!

[bigtoughralf]

western countries, left and right, have relied on good old white supremacy

Except Germany, where white supremacy is banned due to events in their recent history.

[JdeV 100]

I don't just mean them, I mean you.

[bigtoughralf]

Are you calling me a white supremacist? lmao okay bro

FYI some British people aren't white, mind-blowing I know but that's the 21st century for you.

[JdeV 100]

Are you calling me a white supremacist? lmao okay bro

FYI some British people aren't white, mind-blowing I know but that's the 21st century for you.

Are you calling me bro?


It was a very shit joke you made about nazis in response to a point about the vaccine inequality, lockdowns and your parties. If you put Palestine on your signs don't also joke about nazis. It is all white supremacy, bro.

[bigtoughralf]

Try sitting down, putting your head between your knees and taking deep, slow breaths. It might calm your thoughts and help you think a bit more clearly.

Or try moving to the UK, where our liberty and non-cancelled Christmas might cheer you up a bit!

[JdeV 100]

Nothing you write is anything but ego. I live in Manchester, where a lot of people have your blend of laddish attitude, anti-intellectualism and moral superiority. You didn't try to be intelligent, just insulting. I'm leaving you to your amazing life, celebrate away.

[bigtoughralf]

In Mafia 3 the priest says 'if all you look for is evil then evil's all you'll find'. In your case it seems all you look for is an opportunity to take everything personally.

You're a fellow northerner though so I'll allow it.

[JdeV 100]

Alright then. For my part I've had worse.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Sounds like you two need to hug it out over a beer.

[bigtoughralf]

And thankfully we still can do both those things in this wonderful country so long as mine's a 0％.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Pussy.

[bigtoughralf]

Pure of body and of mind, like a real warrior. Head totally undistracted from being a non-stop alpha. That is the Ralf way.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Keyboard warrior, sure. I can see that.