jonesthecurl wrote:jusplay4fun wrote:I see Afghanistan as run by Tribal Leaders and not a true nation, NOT as we understand that term in the West. China, Japan, and others are NATIONS; Afghanistan is a collection of many tribes (in a mountainous area of the world) that shift loyalty, often quickly and based on who is currently winning.
This is somewhat like the War of the Roses and the battle where Richard III is killed. (And this was part of the inspiration for the Game of Thrones.)
The US did not learn the lessons of defeat by the British and by the Soviets in Afghanistan. Shame on Bush, Cheney, Obama-Biden, and a bit on Trump. He started the withdraw process. He did not complete it before leaving office.
"Nation" for the most part is a recent invention, historically speaking. 19th century in most cases, earlier in a few.
Many nations in formerly Colonial Africa were lines drawn on a map by Colonial Powers without regards to tribes and the realities "on the ground" and without any real attempt to understand the people(s) and their history(s). I am sure there are other examples of former colonies.
Here is one example:
Igbo people
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Before the period of British colonial rule in the 20th century, the Igbo were a politically fragmented group, with a number of centralized chiefdoms such as Nri, Aro Confederacy, Agbor and Onitsha.[20] Frederick Lugard introduced the Eze system of "warrant chiefs".[21] Unaffected by the Fulani War and the resulting spread of Islam in Nigeria in the 19th century, they became overwhelmingly Christian under colonization. In the wake of decolonisation, the Igbo developed a strong sense of ethnic identity.[22] During the Nigerian Civil War of 1967–1970, the Igbo territories seceded as the short-lived Republic of Biafra.[23] The Movement for the Actualization of the Sovereign State of Biafra, a sectarian organization formed in 1999, continues a non-violent struggle for an independent Igbo state.[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_peopleIraq, with 3 main groups, Kurds, Shia and Sunni, is another example of peoples forced into one "Nation" that has not worked well. The former Yugoslavia is another such example of a "Nation" not truly ONE.
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