Biden Death Jab Recalled After Mounting Deaths

[saxitoxin]

Martin Kulldorff, an MD and expert on disease propagation at Harvard, said universal vaccination is unnecessary. (Of course a Twitter employee with a BA degree in Film Studies labeled it medical misinformation-LOL.)

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/sta ... 58018?s=09

I believe scientists on questions of vaccine. Others are free to get health advice from 80 year old law school almost flunk outs and Seattle software engineers who hang with Jeff Epstein. You do you. I'll do me.

[jusplay4fun]

Martin Kulldorff, an MD and expert on disease propagation at Harvard, said universal vaccination is unnecessary. (Of course a Twitter employee with a BA degree in Film Studies labeled it medical misinformation-LOL.)

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/sta ... 58018?s=09

I believe scientists on questions of vaccine. Others are free to get health advice from 80 year old law school almost flunk outs and Seattle software engineers who hang with Jeff Epstein. You do you. I'll do me.

AGAIN, Saxi offer NO effective or efficacious refutation. Keep trying, Saxi. Someone may listen to your false narratives. I choose to refute your false information, at least on this topic.

What does universal vaccination mean? 100%?? I already answered that. And Fauci, for one, recommends the vaccine that you FALSELY call DEATH jabs. I have refuted that and you offer this ONE quote from one doctor?? WHAT A PITIFUL attempt you offer to refute scientific and medical assessments and recommendations.

[jonesthecurl]

Saxi long ago passed the 'cry wolf' threshold for me, I no longer bother to follow links or check 'facts' because they will be exaggerated and cherry-picked at least. Even on the odd occasion when I agree with his conclusion.

[jusplay4fun]

Saxi long ago passed the 'cry wolf' threshold for me, I no longer bother to follow links or check 'facts' because they will be exaggerated and cherry-picked at least. Even on the odd occasion when I agree with his conclusion.

That is his "MO". I ignore most of his posts for many reasons, including those you cite, Jonesy.

I feel the need to refute his falsehoods when it comes to the COVID Vaccine, since they are misleading and deserve repudiation. I get motivated to find facts that I can use in RL to convince others of the efficacy and safety of those vaccines, at least the 3 approved for use in the USA.

You will note that he rarely, if ever, offers legitimate refutation to my argument, to my citations of facts, and to expert opinions and recommendations that I quote.

[saxitoxin]

If someone can give me a rational reason why I should get vaccinated, I'll do it tomorrow.

According to the Johns Hopkins University vaccine mortality calculator, I have a 1-in-11 million chance of dying from COVID-19. Currently, in the U.S., 1-in-8 million people are dying of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. According to math, I increase my chance of death by being vaccinated. Why would I do that?

And no, "to help America get herd immunity" isn't a valid reason. We've already established, in human society, that bodily integrity trumps the right to life. Abortion is legal because a woman's bodily integrity trumps a fetus' right to life. I can't be forced to donate my kidney to a stranger because my right to bodily integrity trumps their right to life. So the "increase your chance of death to help America" argument is ethically incoherent and unconvincing.

But if others want to get vaccinated, I have no objection and - in fact - encourage those in high risk groups to do so.

[Dukasaur]

Martin Kulldorff, an MD and expert on disease propagation at Harvard, said universal vaccination is unnecessary. (Of course a Twitter employee with a BA degree in Film Studies labeled it medical misinformation-LOL.)

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/sta ... 58018?s=09

Thinking that everyone must be vaccinated is as scientifically flawed as thinking that nobody should.

Quite the strawman. Almost no-one is suggesting that everyone must be vaccinated. Most epidimiologists have pegged the golden number for herd immunity at somewhere between 70 and 80%.

[jusplay4fun]

If someone can give me a rational reason why I should get vaccinated, I'll do it tomorrow.

According to the Johns Hopkins University vaccine mortality calculator, I have a 1-in-11 million chance of dying from COVID-19. Currently, in the U.S., 1-in-8 million people are dying of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. According to math, I increase my chance of death by being vaccinated. Why would I do that?

And no, "to help America get herd immunity" isn't a valid reason. We've already established, in human society, that bodily integrity trumps the right to life. Abortion is legal because a woman's bodily integrity trumps a fetus' right to life. I can't be forced to donate my kidney to a stranger because my right to bodily integrity trumps their right to life. So the "increase your chance of death to help America" argument is ethically incoherent and unconvincing.

But if others want to get vaccinated, I have no objection and - in fact - encourage those in high risk groups to do so.

If one gets COVID after getting the vaccine, then the symptoms are less severe for that person.

[saxitoxin]

Martin Kulldorff, an MD and expert on disease propagation at Harvard, said universal vaccination is unnecessary. (Of course a Twitter employee with a BA degree in Film Studies labeled it medical misinformation-LOL.)

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/sta ... 58018?s=09

Thinking that everyone must be vaccinated is as scientifically flawed as thinking that nobody should.

Quite the strawman. Almost no-one is suggesting that everyone must be vaccinated. Most epidimiologists have pegged the golden number for herd immunity at somewhere between 70 and 80%.

Then no one will have any problem if I'm part of the 30 percent.

[saxitoxin]

If someone can give me a rational reason why I should get vaccinated, I'll do it tomorrow.

According to the Johns Hopkins University vaccine mortality calculator, I have a 1-in-11 million chance of dying from COVID-19. Currently, in the U.S., 1-in-8 million people are dying of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. According to math, I increase my chance of death by being vaccinated. Why would I do that?

And no, "to help America get herd immunity" isn't a valid reason. We've already established, in human society, that bodily integrity trumps the right to life. Abortion is legal because a woman's bodily integrity trumps a fetus' right to life. I can't be forced to donate my kidney to a stranger because my right to bodily integrity trumps their right to life. So the "increase your chance of death to help America" argument is ethically incoherent and unconvincing.

But if others want to get vaccinated, I have no objection and - in fact - encourage those in high risk groups to do so.

If one gets COVID after getting the vaccine, then the symptoms are less severe for that person.

That's not enough to inspire me. I've known three people who got the COVID of which one was asymptomatic and the other two had mild symptoms for 2-3 days equivalent to a cold.

[2dimes]

Ted Nugent didn't enjoy the virus.

[jusplay4fun]

If someone can give me a rational reason why I should get vaccinated, I'll do it tomorrow.

According to the Johns Hopkins University vaccine mortality calculator, I have a 1-in-11 million chance of dying from COVID-19. Currently, in the U.S., 1-in-8 million people are dying of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. According to math, I increase my chance of death by being vaccinated. Why would I do that?

And no, "to help America get herd immunity" isn't a valid reason. We've already established, in human society, that bodily integrity trumps the right to life. Abortion is legal because a woman's bodily integrity trumps a fetus' right to life. I can't be forced to donate my kidney to a stranger because my right to bodily integrity trumps their right to life. So the "increase your chance of death to help America" argument is ethically incoherent and unconvincing.

But if others want to get vaccinated, I have no objection and - in fact - encourage those in high risk groups to do so.

If one gets COVID after getting the vaccine, then the symptoms are less severe for that person.

That's not enough to inspire me. I've known three people who got the COVID of which one was asymptomatic and the other two had mild symptoms for 2-3 days equivalent to a cold.

And you know NO one who died from COVID or who suffered a bad case of COVID? That is the RATIONALE that you need to convince you to get the vaccine?

[HitRed]

Either way we will reach heard immunity. Slowly or quickly. When I look at the numbers quickly.

[KoolBak]

I don't really care on this subject, and I'm with sax that if he doesn't want to get it, then don't. No big.

BUT....sax....you keep quoting odds of death and shit re the vaccine as a whole, however you're only discussing the J&J vaccine. So clarification would be logical.

The main reason I got it? My 90 year old dad said no one was coming to our annual vacation, thanksgiving, Xmas, etc if they weren't vaccinated. Easy choice.....

I goth the moderna. Second stab in 2 weeks, and I hear it's bad. Got my son's the Phizer.....be interesting to see which of us starts developing extra appendages and shit.....

Oh - and I fucking abhor Biden

[2dimes]

How can you have emotional states, good or bad, toward any of the poor bastards taking a massively disproportionate amount of blame for the things done by the U.S. government as a whole?

Our malevolent dictator is much much worse but I can't hate the black face wearing hypocrite.

As for the Pfizer, so far all I got is a sore arm.

[Sackett58]

My entire family got Pfizer. No side effects on first or second. Wife sore arm both times. Son a little tired sore arm both times, second less notable. Daughter first time a little rise in temp and sore arm, second hardly nothing.

[saxitoxin]

Like I said, I don't care if people do or don't get the vaccine.

However, according to math, the chance I'll die in the next year - small as though it may be - is 22% higher if I get the vaccine (Johnson & Johnson) than if I don't.

The only reason given for me to voluntarily increase my chance of death by 22% is to aid society. But that is ethically incoherent because we've already established that bodily integrity trumps the right to life even when there is a 100% possibility of death of another person. In the U.S., there are 100,791 people on the kidney transplant waiting list who are guaranteed to die despite the fact that there are 150,000,000 adults who are eligible to donate a kidney and are making the choice not to do so.

By not choosing to increase my chance of death by 22% to aid society I am consistently following the ethical code that society itself has established. Anyone who wants to begin the process of changing that code can donate a kidney to a stranger tomorrow. Until you do, all communitarian arguments for vaccination are arbitrary, capricious and completely untethered from objective ethics.

[Dukasaur]

Martin Kulldorff, an MD and expert on disease propagation at Harvard, said universal vaccination is unnecessary. (Of course a Twitter employee with a BA degree in Film Studies labeled it medical misinformation-LOL.)

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/sta ... 58018?s=09

Thinking that everyone must be vaccinated is as scientifically flawed as thinking that nobody should.

Quite the strawman. Almost no-one is suggesting that everyone must be vaccinated. Most epidimiologists have pegged the golden number for herd immunity at somewhere between 70 and 80%.

Then no one will have any problem if I'm part of the 30 percent.

I sure as hell couldn't care less.

However, some observations.

Like I said, I don't care if people do or don't get the vaccine.

However, according to math, the chance I'll die in the next year - small as though it may be - is 22% higher if I get the vaccine (Johnson & Johnson) than if I don't.

False dichotomy. It isn't a choice of get J&J or go unvaccinated. You could get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Or you could talk to your buddy Putin about sending you some Sputnik.

According to the Johns Hopkins University vaccine mortality calculator, I have a 1-in-11 million chance of dying from COVID-19.

If your odds are that low, then you're under 40. Yet you claim to have escaped from East Germany, which hasn't existed in 32 years. So how old were you when you climbed the Wall?

Either you're lying about your odds of death, or you're lying about having escaped from East Germany. Or both.

[saxitoxin]

False dichotomy. It isn't a choice of get J&J or go unvaccinated. You could get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Well that's definitely not going to happen. I'm theoretically open to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine but not Pfizer or Moderna. I'm 99% sure Pfizer or Moderna are just fine, but I have no desire to be part of the first group in 40,000 years of human history to be administered an RNA pharmaceutical in the best conditions. And doubly so if this first ever use in human history was rushed to market with no long-term human safety observations. I'm confident they're both perfectly safe but, given the choice between a non-RNA and a RNA vaccine, there's no logical reason someone would choose RNA.

That's like being asked to join Yuri Gagarin on the first manned space trip, which is already terrifying. Except, instead of having spent the last 15 years developing space flight technology, they had to put it together from scratch the weekend before while 10,000 people were outside the lab screaming "when is the rocket going to be ready!?" No thanks.

[Dukasaur]

False dichotomy. It isn't a choice of get J&J or go unvaccinated. You could get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Well that's definitely not going to happen. I'm theoretically open to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine but not Pfizer or Moderna. I'm 99% sure Pfizer or Moderna are just fine, but I have no desire to be part of the first group in 40,000 years of human history to be administered an RNA pharmaceutical. I'm confident they're both perfectly safe but, given the choice between a non-RNA and a RNA vaccine, there's no logical reason someone would choose RNA.

That's like being asked to join Yuri Gagarin on the first manned space trip, which is already terrifying. Except, instead of having spent the last 15 years developing space flight technology, they had to put it together from scratch the weekend before while 10,000 people were outside the lab screaming "when is the rocket going to be ready!?" No thanks.

The theoretical groundwork for m-RNA vaccines has been around for 10 years. Was just waiting for the cucks in the Big Pharma boardrooms to open their wallets. Covid has, in that sense, been a big boon to the progress of science.

I'm looking forward to mine on Thursday.

[saxitoxin]

False dichotomy. It isn't a choice of get J&J or go unvaccinated. You could get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Well that's definitely not going to happen. I'm theoretically open to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine but not Pfizer or Moderna. I'm 99% sure Pfizer or Moderna are just fine, but I have no desire to be part of the first group in 40,000 years of human history to be administered an RNA pharmaceutical. I'm confident they're both perfectly safe but, given the choice between a non-RNA and a RNA vaccine, there's no logical reason someone would choose RNA.

That's like being asked to join Yuri Gagarin on the first manned space trip, which is already terrifying. Except, instead of having spent the last 15 years developing space flight technology, they had to put it together from scratch the weekend before while 10,000 people were outside the lab screaming "when is the rocket going to be ready!?" No thanks.

The theoretical groundwork for m-RNA vaccines has been around for 10 years. Was just waiting for the cucks in the Big Pharma boardrooms to open their wallets. Covid has, in that sense, been a big boon to the progress of science.

They opened their wallets because they were granted 100% civil immunity. If they were sitting on the technology for 10 years but only deployed it into live humans after they'd been granted unprecedented, never-before-seen immunity from civil liability, that's, ummmm ... not exactly a confidence booster.

[Dukasaur]

False dichotomy. It isn't a choice of get J&J or go unvaccinated. You could get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Well that's definitely not going to happen. I'm theoretically open to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine but not Pfizer or Moderna. I'm 99% sure Pfizer or Moderna are just fine, but I have no desire to be part of the first group in 40,000 years of human history to be administered an RNA pharmaceutical. I'm confident they're both perfectly safe but, given the choice between a non-RNA and a RNA vaccine, there's no logical reason someone would choose RNA.

That's like being asked to join Yuri Gagarin on the first manned space trip, which is already terrifying. Except, instead of having spent the last 15 years developing space flight technology, they had to put it together from scratch the weekend before while 10,000 people were outside the lab screaming "when is the rocket going to be ready!?" No thanks.

The theoretical groundwork for m-RNA vaccines has been around for 10 years. Was just waiting for the cucks in the Big Pharma boardrooms to open their wallets. Covid has, in that sense, been a big boon to the progress of science.

They opened their wallets because they were granted 100% civil immunity. If they were sitting on the technology for 10 years but only deployed it into live humans after they'd been granted unprecedented, never-before-seen immunity from civil liability, that's, ummmm ... not exactly a confidence booster.

Actually, I said "10 years" without checking. Just looked it up -- it's 31 years. In 1990, the first m-RNA vaccine was proven effective in mice. It's taken that long for this very important idea to break through.

[saxitoxin]

False dichotomy. It isn't a choice of get J&J or go unvaccinated. You could get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Well that's definitely not going to happen. I'm theoretically open to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine but not Pfizer or Moderna. I'm 99% sure Pfizer or Moderna are just fine, but I have no desire to be part of the first group in 40,000 years of human history to be administered an RNA pharmaceutical. I'm confident they're both perfectly safe but, given the choice between a non-RNA and a RNA vaccine, there's no logical reason someone would choose RNA.

That's like being asked to join Yuri Gagarin on the first manned space trip, which is already terrifying. Except, instead of having spent the last 15 years developing space flight technology, they had to put it together from scratch the weekend before while 10,000 people were outside the lab screaming "when is the rocket going to be ready!?" No thanks.

The theoretical groundwork for m-RNA vaccines has been around for 10 years. Was just waiting for the cucks in the Big Pharma boardrooms to open their wallets. Covid has, in that sense, been a big boon to the progress of science.

They opened their wallets because they were granted 100% civil immunity. If they were sitting on the technology for 10 years but only deployed it into live humans after they'd been granted unprecedented, never-before-seen immunity from civil liability, that's, ummmm ... not exactly a confidence booster.

Actually, I said "10 years" without checking. Just looked it up -- it's 31 years.

That's even more terrifying. After 31 years they were still not confident enough to give it to humans until getting immunity from lawsuits.

[Dukasaur]

Okay, if I don't post after Thursday you'll know the Gagarin effect killed me.

Oh, wait... Gagarin lived! He trusted in science.

[Sackett58]

Okay, if I don't post after Thursday you'll know the Gagarin effect killed me.

Oh, wait... Gagarin lived! He trusted in science.

I think Gagarin lucked out myself. " Vostok 1 was Gagarin's only spaceflight, but he served as the backup crew to the Soyuz 1 mission, which ended in a fatal crash, killing his friend and fellow cosmonaut Vladimir Komarov. Fearful that a national hero might be killed, Soviet officials banned Gagarin from further spaceflights. After completing training at the Zhukovsky Air Force Engineering Academy in February 1968, he was allowed to fly regular aircraft. Gagarin died five weeks later when the MiG-15 training jet he was piloting with flight instructor Vladimir Seryogin crashed near the town of Kirzhach." Wikipedia

[jusplay4fun]

False dichotomy. It isn't a choice of get J&J or go unvaccinated. You could get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Well that's definitely not going to happen. I'm theoretically open to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine but not Pfizer or Moderna. I'm 99% sure Pfizer or Moderna are just fine, but I have no desire to be part of the first group in 40,000 years of human history to be administered an RNA pharmaceutical. I'm confident they're both perfectly safe but, given the choice between a non-RNA and a RNA vaccine, there's no logical reason someone would choose RNA.

That's like being asked to join Yuri Gagarin on the first manned space trip, which is already terrifying. Except, instead of having spent the last 15 years developing space flight technology, they had to put it together from scratch the weekend before while 10,000 people were outside the lab screaming "when is the rocket going to be ready!?" No thanks.

The theoretical groundwork for m-RNA vaccines has been around for 10 years. Was just waiting for the cucks in the Big Pharma boardrooms to open their wallets. Covid has, in that sense, been a big boon to the progress of science.

They opened their wallets because they were granted 100% civil immunity. If they were sitting on the technology for 10 years but only deployed it into live humans after they'd been granted unprecedented, never-before-seen immunity from civil liability, that's, ummmm ... not exactly a confidence booster.

Actually, I said "10 years" without checking. Just looked it up -- it's 31 years.

That's even more terrifying. After 31 years they were still not confident enough to give it to humans until getting immunity from lawsuits.

This discussion shows me several things:

1) saxi will offer any excuse he can so as NOT to get vaccinated. He will not be convinced. I offered the ODDS of a less virulent form of COVID if the vaccine "fails" and he gets a "breakthrough" case. Saxi goes on later to claim that the only benefit offered was one of benefit to society, to quote him:

The only reason given for me to voluntarily increase my chance of death by 22% is to aid society.

Duk tells him his math is off and that the J&J vaccine is not the only one available. Later, he attacks the mRNA vaccine as TOO new and Duk tells him it has been out for 31 years (the idea and the technology.)

I want to know if saxi gets the flu vaccine or ANY vaccine.

2) There is a reluctance to try something new, especially by big Pharma since the threat from American lawyers to SUE over a few bad cases. They fear people like Saxi will sit on the jury, not understand the Science, and fears new biomedical technology.

3) The vaccine is effective for most people. The initial trials showed 95% effective ("efficacious") for Pfizer and Moderna was 94% as I recall. J&J was about 74%, but how saxi gets 22% I will not bother to try to untangle that messy web of misunderstanding and miscalculation.

4) I have read and heard that 20% of Americans will not get the COVID vaccine. I think saxi said 30%. That maybe the FINAL figure, but most polls show a lower % who will NOT get vaccinated at all. There is some 20% that are "on the fence" and still undecided. So to get to herd immunity of about 75%, we need about three quarters of those "on the fence" to get the vaccine.

If saxi wants to be in the 20%, that is his prerogative. I will ask him not to spread his lies and misinform others of his false facts and his false narrative.

1 in 5 Americans say they won't get COVID-19 vaccine
Filed Under: COVID-19
Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News | Apr 15, 2021

A poll published yesterday from Monmouth University found that 1 in 5 Americans remain unwilling to get the COVID-19 vaccine.

Partisanship continues to be the defining factor determining which Americans are willing to get vaccinated and which are not: 43% of Republicans say they will avoid the vaccine, compared with just 5% of Democrats, and 22% of independents say they want to avoid getting the vaccine altogether.

A new Quinnipiac University poll shows 45% of Republicans are unwilling to get the vaccine. A poll from the University of Michigan also suggests age may be a factor. Only 20% of teens and young adults polled last October said they were unwilling to get vaccinated, and that percentage shrank to 15% last month.

The polls underscore the uphill battle the United States will have to reach herd immunity, despite a robust vaccine rollout that is seeing 3 million plus shots administered per day. Experts estimate around 70% of Americans will need to be vaccinated or infected to produce herd immunity.

And the polls were conducted before federal agencies put the Johnson & Johnson vaccine on pause, as they determine whether or not or to what extent that vaccine [url]contributed to a rare type of blood clot. Many fear the pause will contribute to vaccine hesitation and distrust.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... 19-vaccine[/url]