USA Recognizes Moroccan Sovereignty over Western Sahara!

[saxitoxin]

Today, the United States joined Poland, Hungary, India, Romania, and the Kingdom of Eswatini in recognizing Moroccan sovereignty over the Western Sahara!



Congrats to His Majesty Mohammed VI on the new territory!

[Jdsizzleslice]

I mean, they control something like 85% of the territory, so it's only fitting, right?

[mookiemcgee]

I mean, they control something like 85% of the territory, so it's only fitting, right?

I dunno, I heard it was only like 80%

[jimboston]

I mean like...
1) Who cares?
2) Why is he rushing to do this his way out the door?
3) Does this recognition violate any treaties or precedents?

etc.

[mookiemcgee]

I mean like...
1) Who cares?
SAXI
2) Why is he rushing to do this his way out the door?
He has likely made a deal that will benefit his personal business interests once he's evicted from DC
3) Does this recognition violate any treaties or precedents?
Who cares?

etc.

[saxitoxin]

I mean like...
1) Who cares?
2) Why is he rushing to do this his way out the door?
3) Does this recognition violate any treaties or precedents?

etc.

https://bfy.tw/Pttb

[Dukasaur]

I mean like...
1) Who cares?
2) Why is he rushing to do this his way out the door?
3) Does this recognition violate any treaties or precedents?

etc.

In exchange for Trump's recognition of Moroccan mastery of the region, Morocco will become the fourth Arab nation to sign on to normalize relations with Israel. Expect some more breast-beating about how Trump "brought peace to the Middle East" because 4 out of 22 Arab League nations (almost 20% !!!) will then have signed his bogus "peace deal."

In answer to your third question, no law is being broken.

[Jdsizzleslice]

In exchange for Trump's recognition of Moroccan mastery of the region, Morocco will become the fourth Arab nation to sign on to normalize relations with Israel. Expect some more breast-beating about how Trump "brought peace to the Middle East" because 4 out of 22 Arab League nations (almost 20% !!!) will then have signed his bogus "peace deal."

So... getting other Arab nations to normalize relations with Israel is "bogus", Duk?

Are you so filled with hatred for Trump that you can't even acknowledge a good thing that he does?

[Dukasaur]

In exchange for Trump's recognition of Moroccan mastery of the region, Morocco will become the fourth Arab nation to sign on to normalize relations with Israel. Expect some more breast-beating about how Trump "brought peace to the Middle East" because 4 out of 22 Arab League nations (almost 20% !!!) will then have signed his bogus "peace deal."

So... getting other Arab nations to normalize relations with Israel is "bogus", Duk?

Are you so filled with hatred for Trump that you can't even acknowledge a good thing that he does?

We've been through your second question before. I'll acknowledge that I hate Trump pretty intensely. It does not override truth. On those occasions when he has done something right, I have been willing to acknowlege it.

What makes Trump's Israel treaty bogus is not that it is bad. I'll acknowledge that getting Arab countries to normalize relations with Israel is a positive step. What's bogus about it is that it does not come anywhere close to meeting the hype that Trump's spin doctors have been attributing to it. They actually use phrases like "brought peace to the Middle East" and his deal does nothing of the sort. None of the four Arab nations that signed on to the deal were ever significant in the wars against Isreal. It's nice that they made peace, but they were never really at war. Morocco and Sudan did send token forces to join in the major Arab-Israeli wars, the last of which ended half a century ago. (Only the Moroccan force actually engaged in combat; the Sudanese force only arrived after the cease-fire had been signed.) Bahrain and the Emirates didn't even do that much. None of the four were really at war with Israel any more except on paper.

When Carter brokered peace between Israel and Egypt, that was a meaningful step towards peace. Israel and Egypt did actually fight several shooting wars with tens of thousands of casualties and frightening material damage. Brokering peace between them changed things dramatically for both, and although they've had some border skirmishes since then, the peace is basically solid.\

When Clinton brokered a peace between Israel and Jordan, that was a meaningful step toward peace. Jordan had fought in every single Arab-Israeli war and like Egypt it had suffered tens of thousands of casualties. 50 years of war ended with that treaty and has led to almost 25 years of peace.

This treaty between Isreal and four minor members of the Arab League who are not really fighting with it and haven't in 47 years, is just window dressing. It's nice, yes. A game changer? Absolutely not. Deserving of all the ceaseless self-congratulations the Trumpists give each other for it? No.

What's more, it's come at a frightening cost. Morocco's signature, as we discussed yesterday, was obtained at the price of rubber-stamping the Moroccan conquest of the Sahlawi people in Western Sahara, essentially ending the dream of Sahlawi independence. I would not be at all surprised if genocide is the next step. Today we learned that Trump is sending a billion dollars' worth of military toys to Morocco. So, tacit permission to slaughter the Sahlawi, and a $1 billion pack of implements of destruction to do it with, all to get their signature on an essentially symbolic document that won't change much.

[Jdsizzleslice]

We've been through your second question before. I'll acknowledge that I hate Trump pretty intensely. It does not override truth. On those occasions when he has done something right, I have been willing to acknowlege it.

You have yet to acknowledge that Trump has done anything good.

What makes Trump's Israel treaty bogus is not that it is bad. I'll acknowledge that getting Arab countries to normalize relations with Israel is a positive step. What's bogus about it is that it does not come anywhere close to meeting the hype that Trump's spin doctors have been attributing to it. They actually use phrases like "brought peace to the Middle East" and his deal does nothing of the sort. None of the four Arab nations that signed on to the deal were ever significant in the wars against Isreal. It's nice that they made peace, but they were never really at war. Morocco and Sudan did send token forces to join in the major Arab-Israeli wars, the last of which ended half a century ago. (Only the Moroccan force actually engaged in combat; the Sudanese force only arrived after the cease-fire had been signed.) Bahrain and the Emirates didn't even do that much. None of the four were really at war with Israel any more except on paper.

So one must be at war or formerly at war in order to be non-peaceful? Those two are not mutually exclusive. You have a logical fallacy.

This treaty between Isreal and four minor members of the Arab League who are not really fighting with it and haven't in 47 years, is just window dressing. It's nice, yes. A game changer? Absolutely not. Deserving of all the ceaseless self-congratulations the Trumpists give each other for it? No.

So U.A.E., Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco are all suddenly minor Arab nations? Bahrain, sure. The rest? Absolutely not.

What's more, it's come at a frightening cost. Morocco's signature, as we discussed yesterday, was obtained at the price of rubber-stamping the Moroccan conquest of the Sahlawi people in Western Sahara, essentially ending the dream of Sahlawi independence. I would not be at all surprised if genocide is the next step. Today we learned that Trump is sending a billion dollars' worth of military toys to Morocco. So, tacit permission to slaughter the Sahlawi, and a $1 billion pack of implements of destruction to do it with, all to get their signature on an essentially symbolic document that won't change much.

Question. Does a sale of military weaponry mean you condone alleged crimes against humanity? Does the US selling planes to U.A.E. mean they condone the U.A.E.'s torture and imprisonment of its citizens who merely criticize the authority currently in power? Does the US selling equipment to Saudi Arabia mean they condone Saudi's treatment of women? You and I know the answer to both of these questions is no. So why would this mean that Trump is responsible for anything that the Moroccan government does?

It is entirely possible to recognize a nation's claim to land whilst also not agreeing with some of their conduct.

[HitRed]

Canada sold AFV to Saudi

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/po ... e30459788/

The Trudeau government gave the green light for the $15-billion sale of fighting vehicles to proceed to Saudi Arabia, a country regularly ranked by watchdog Freedom House as among the "worst of the worst" on human rights.

https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2019/10/03/foo ... abia-arms/

Footage of Canadian LAVs in Yemen raises new questions about Saudi arms deal

[riskllama]

lol, HR w/the "whatabout"... . seriously, tho - not at all impressed, JT.

[2dimes]

I laughed at the pictures of those LAVs. They were all upside down, burned out or broken.

[riskllama]

when i saw the name of that second link, for half a second i thought they might be remote control cars... . seriously tho - JT, please stop selling weapons to douchebag countries...

*fighting vehicles - sorry, HR...

[saxitoxin]

I laughed at the pictures of those LAVs. They were all upside down, burned out or broken.

Realistically, that was less likely the result of Houthi attacks and more likely just the result of Saudi driving.

[2dimes]

I laughed at the pictures of those LAVs. They were all upside down, burned out or broken.

Realistically, that was less likely the result of Houthi attacks and more likely just the result of Saudi driving.

Are you referring to this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/worl ... rsary.html

[ConfederateSS]

---------The 2 Africa maps have Western Sahara.......But the World Map 2.1 has the territory all Morocco...Looks Like Conquer Club was The 1st to recognize Morocco's claim... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[saxitoxin]

---------The 2 Africa maps have Western Sahara.......But the World Map 2.1 has the territory all Morocco...Looks Like Conquer Club was The 1st to recognize Morocco's claim... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...