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Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:29 am

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/11/fla ... ronavirus/
https://www.health.com/condition/infect ... ve-meaning
https://www.fastcompany.com/90476143/th ... oronavirus
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... save-lives
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -the-curve

There are probably countless more examples about the same thing. Turns out they are all a bunch of lying liars. They didn't want to flatten the curve and have the same number of cases spread over a broader period of time. Now they want to eliminate the virus or hold it steady until a vaccine is ready. A truly flat curve will be hit when COVID hits 100% of people. It will be guaranteed flat after that.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby jimboston on Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:15 am

What’s your point?
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:31 am

jimboston wrote:What’s your point?

That flattening the curve was a lie.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:42 am

I don't think it was a lie. The plan has mutated from where it started, but I don't think that the changes are intentional. People have gradually changed their thinking over time.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:31 pm

Dukasaur wrote:I don't think it was a lie. The plan has mutated from where it started, but I don't think that the changes are intentional. People have gradually changed their thinking over time.


Why do you not assume deception when it comes from government? They are masters of propaganda, double talk and spin. These are people who dedicate almost their entire life to being masters of dishonesty. When they make an about face without so much as an apology, it indicates that they were lying.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby jimboston on Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:23 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:
jimboston wrote:What’s your point?

That flattening the curve was a lie.


In what way was it a lie?

How did they lie and what was the truth?

If you aren’t gonna expand on the thought, then the thought is worthless.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:52 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:I don't think it was a lie. The plan has mutated from where it started, but I don't think that the changes are intentional. People have gradually changed their thinking over time.


Why do you not assume deception when it comes from government? They are masters of propaganda, double talk and spin. These are people who dedicate almost their entire life to being masters of dishonesty. When they make an about face without so much as an apology, it indicates that they were lying.


Actually, I DO assume deception when it comes from the government.

However, I do try to be discerning about what they're lying about and what they aren't. Occam's Razor is very useful here.

When the government announces a policy and their announced reasons make no sense whatsoever, the most straightforward assumption is that they are lying about their true reasons for that policy. What you are proposing is a far more convoluted plot. That governments, back in March when "flattening the curve" was the worldwide battle cry, already knew that once the curve was flattened, they would pivot to eradicating the disease entirely.

The first problem with your theory is that it depends on joint action by many governments. This poses the same problem as with every conspiracy: that it is impossible to get that many different people to stick to an agreed-upon plan for any length of time. We're talking about a vast multitude of entities here: not just national governments, but state, provincial, and regional governments, too. Hundreds of entities at the very least, more likely thousands. When a bunch of nations get together for dinner, it's hard enough to get them to agree whether they should sit at a round table or a square one. Asking them to agree on a sophisticated plot to manipulate public opinion for nearly a year is absolutely implausible.

The second problem is that you're assuming that anyone could have anticipated in March exactly how this would play out. You're giving them credit for incredible perception, which is contrary both to reason and to the record. The record shows governments that are as confused as anyone else, flailing about, trying one plan or another, always a move behind the virus. It just isn't plausible that this level of confusion was feigned. Nobody sets out to deliberately make himself look stupid. The only reasonable conclusion to make is that the confusion is genuine.

Are they lying? Of course they are, all the time. But the main thing they're lying about is that they know what to do. For the most part, they haven't got a clue. There are the exceptions, of course, a few countries like South Korea and Taiwan and New Zealand and now Iceland who defeated the virus fairly effectively. But those are the outliers. Most countries are just making it up as they go along. Trial-and-error. To me, there'd be no shame in saying, "we really don't know. We'll try a few things and see what works." But governments don't like to ever admit that they are wandering in the wilderness, so they lie constantly and pretend they have a road map.

So, yeah. I never assume the government is telling the truth. But they are lying to cover up their own lack of control, not lying to cover up some hypothetical long-range plan.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby degaston on Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:00 pm

Flattening the curve was always about reducing the load on hospitals so that they are not completely overwhelmed with patients. When they don't have enough beds, doctors, equipment, and medicine, they will have no choice but to ration care, and some people will die who might otherwise have been saved. It also means that people with medical emergencies unrelated to covid may not receive the best care either. And if/when a vaccine is developed, fewer people will have already died, so more people can be saved.

It's really not that complicated. The virus is carried in droplets of moisture that an infected person exhales. If they wear a mask, then many of those droplets will be stopped right there. If people around them wear masks, then more of those droplets will be stopped. If people stay apart, then the droplets will fall to the ground. It's not a guarantee that masks prevent infection, they're measures that people can easily take to reduce the rate of infection, allowing more people to live.

Unfortunately, some people just don't seem to get it.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:31 am

Welsh dude is sick of this shit; uncovers non-essential goods at Tesco



Different Welsh dude protests the classification of clothes as non-essential by going into Tesco without any clothes on -

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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby 2dimes on Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:54 am

Oi Saxi! "Without any clothes on."

E's wearing hose, trainers and pants.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby HitRed on Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:13 am

"Today, I urge your nation to pray for discernment. It is evident that this is a gift of the Holy Spirit which is lacking. Discernment sorts out good from evil and assists the soul in making good decisions. It is this gift which sees the long-term effects of choices made. Discernment which is genuine is based upon wisdom."

Poor discernment gives way to rash judgment. Poor discernment leaps to conclusions and does not fully understand every angle of its choices. While some choices are more important than others, it would be most beneficial to pray for discernment before you decide on anything.“
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby jimboston on Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:22 am

HitRed wrote:"Today, I urge your nation to pray for discernment. It is evident that this is a gift of the Holy Spirit which is lacking. Discernment sorts out good from evil and assists the soul in making good decisions. It is this gift which sees the long-term effects of choices made. Discernment which is genuine is based upon wisdom."

Poor discernment gives way to rash judgment. Poor discernment leaps to conclusions and does not fully understand every angle of its choices. While some choices are more important than others, it would be most beneficial to pray for discernment before you decide on anything.“


Or how about just listen to trusted experts and make rational decisions?
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby jimboston on Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:28 am

Dukasaur wrote:When the government announces a policy and their announced reasons make no sense whatsoever, the most straightforward assumption is that they are lying about their true reasons for that policy. What you are proposing is a far more convoluted plot. That governments, back in March when "flattening the curve" was the worldwide battle cry, already knew that once the curve was flattened, they would pivot to eradicating the disease entirely.



The funny thing here (bolded) is that his ‘conspiracy theory’ isn’t even damming.

Government and everyone who paid attention KNEW this...

FLATTEN THE CURVE.... to reduce the load on hospitals... absolutely.

SIMULTANEOUSLY... let’s start working on a vaccine or 5 so we can eliminate this thing entirely (if possible).

These are not mutually exclusive options and it seems to me that this “plan” is the best approach.

Only loonies are talking about ‘herd immunity’ still since it appears that’s not an option.
(Most scientific evidence right now suggests it’s not... but who knows.)
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby jimboston on Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:32 am

Dukasaur wrote:a few countries like South Korea and Taiwan and New Zealand and now Iceland who defeated the virus fairly effectively. But those are the outliers.


defeated is a strong word here... these countries are doing a better job controlling the virus, but they haven’t ‘defeated’ it.

Geography, country size, and population temperament (trust in gov’t) are big factors affecting the ability of the gov’t to act and the impact their action have on the spread of the virus.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:09 pm

jimboston wrote:The funny thing here (bolded) is that his ‘conspiracy theory’ isn’t even damming.


It's very damning. I just showed how a cabal of nations around the world and their media puppet handlers conspired to defraud the citizens of the planet.

Don't you think it's awfully convenient that governments and media all around the world independently decided that human life was worth saving all at the same time? Thankfully Trump is not part of this new world order.

And now they are going back to the same thing which they already exposed as a lie:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid- ... -1.5783379

That's what I call talking out of two sides of your mouth.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby jimboston on Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:46 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
jimboston wrote:The funny thing here (bolded) is that his ‘conspiracy theory’ isn’t even damming.


It's very damning. I just showed how a cabal of nations around the world and their media puppet handlers conspired to defraud the citizens of the planet.

Don't you think it's awfully convenient that governments and media all around the world independently decided that human life was worth saving all at the same time? Thankfully Trump is not part of this new world order.

And now they are going back to the same thing which they already exposed as a lie:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid- ... -1.5783379

That's what I call talking out of two sides of your mouth.


...but it wasn’t exposed as a lie.

You can’t actually believe what you’re typing here...do you?
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:41 am

jimboston wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
jimboston wrote:The funny thing here (bolded) is that his ‘conspiracy theory’ isn’t even damming.


It's very damning. I just showed how a cabal of nations around the world and their media puppet handlers conspired to defraud the citizens of the planet.

Don't you think it's awfully convenient that governments and media all around the world independently decided that human life was worth saving all at the same time? Thankfully Trump is not part of this new world order.

And now they are going back to the same thing which they already exposed as a lie:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid- ... -1.5783379

That's what I call talking out of two sides of your mouth.


...but it wasn’t exposed as a lie.

You can’t actually believe what you’re typing here...do you?


The two goals are incompatible with each other. You can't simultaneously want people to be infected at a slower pace and not want them to be infected at all.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby hotfire on Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:13 am

I'm going to guess DY never studied logic.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby mrswdk on Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:11 am

saxitoxin wrote:Different Welsh dude protests the classification of clothes as non-essential by going into Tesco without any clothes on -



Lame, he left his underwear on. Can only assume his penis is absolutely tiny and he therefore didn't want to expose it for his little protest.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:44 pm

hotfire wrote:I'm going to guess DY never studied logic.


I cannot desire for you to be sick and well at the same time, unless I have a personality disorder, or we are talking metaphor.

My main goal in life can not be both x and not x.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby riskllama on Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:02 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
hotfire wrote:I'm going to guess DY never studied logic.


I cannot desire for you to be sick and well at the same time, unless I have a personality disorder, or we are talking metaphor.

My main goal in life can not be both x and not x.


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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:06 pm

mrswdk wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Different Welsh dude protests the classification of clothes as non-essential by going into Tesco without any clothes on -



Lame, he left his underwear on. Can only assume his penis is absolutely tiny and he therefore didn't want to expose it for his little protest.


sorry, i'll try to get a video with more dick in it next time
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:28 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Different Welsh dude protests the classification of clothes as non-essential by going into Tesco without any clothes on -



Lame, he left his underwear on. Can only assume his penis is absolutely tiny and he therefore didn't want to expose it for his little protest.


sorry, i'll try to get a video with more dick in it next time


Take a selfie.
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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby mrswdk on Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:33 pm

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Re: Flattening the Curve was a Lie

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:01 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Different Welsh dude protests the classification of clothes as non-essential by going into Tesco without any clothes on -



Lame, he left his underwear on. Can only assume his penis is absolutely tiny and he therefore didn't want to expose it for his little protest.


sorry, i'll try to get a video with more dick in it next time


Take a selfie.


I misspoke. I think mrswdk wanted a penis, not a dick.
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