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USG: democracy ‘isn’t our objective’

Postby mrswdk on Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:35 pm

A senior member of the US Government has publicly declared that the American government is not and never has been intended to be a democracy:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -democracy
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Re: USG: democracy ‘isn’t our objective’

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:03 pm

Mike Lee wrote:“Democracy isn’t the objective; liberty, peace, and prosperity are. We want the human condition to flourish.”


He's correct.

I just searched The Federalist Papers (https://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/fed.asp).

Number of issues in which the word "democracy" appears: 4*
Number of issues in which the word "liberty" appears: 47
Number of issues in which the word "peace" appears: 38
Number of issues in which the word "prosperity" appears: 39
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Number of issues in which the word "sex" appears: 1
Number of issues in which the word "breast" appears: 4
Number of issues in which the word "France" appears: 13 **

* In three of the four instances it's a negative reference:

    "Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." - James Madison

    "In a democracy, where a multitude of people exercise in person the legislative functions, and are continually exposed, by their incapacity for regular deliberation and concerted measures, to the ambitious intrigues of their executive magistrates, tyranny may well be apprehended, on some favorable emergency, to start up in the same quarter." - James Madison

    "For it cannot be believed, that any form of representative government could have succeeded within the narrow limits occupied by the democracies of Greece." - Alexander Hamilton

** The majority are in reference to commercial fishing, e.g.:

    "With France and with Britain we are rivals in the fisheries, and can supply their markets cheaper than they can themselves, notwithstanding any efforts to prevent it by bounties on their own or duties on foreign fish." - John Jay
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Re: USG: democracy ‘isn’t our objective’

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:14 pm

Yup, from the beginning it was a playground for rich landowners to live idyllic lives while their slaves were ground into the dust.

The circumstances of the slaves have somewhat improved, but not much. Nowadays they have a right to resign from the service of one owner and go enjoy life for a week or two, until hunger drives them to sign on with another owner and they can resume being ground into the dust.
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Re: USG: democracy ‘isn’t our objective’

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:29 am

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Re: USG: democracy ‘isn’t our objective’

Postby riskllama on Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:53 am

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