Biden helped to create...Covid-19...!!!!

[saxitoxin]

President Trump has added 200,000 new Twitter followers in the last 45 minutes since he posted the drive-by teaser!

And, the Dow Futures jumped 143 points after the drive-by!

[riskllama]

Duk 1 - Hillbilly Spock 0

[Dukasaur]

LOL. Every day I see Trumpists making death threats on social media to people who disagree with them. I've never seen a leftist making death threats, although I'm not surprised that some would take vicarious pleasure in seeing the most wicked man on the planet suffer from a disease which he has called a hoax and to which he deliberately subjected others.

Not trying to sound snarky here, but do you even read my posts at all (look at the only link in the entire post)? I truly want to know.

Yeah, in fact I did read your post. And yes, I clicked on the link and saw that you dredged up some nobody in some Democratic campaign who wished death on Trump. Yeah, it's not unheard of, but it is rare. Considering how much harm Trump has done in the world, it's probably more surprising how few people wish him dead than how many. Still, it's uncommon. On the other hand, the phenomenon of right-wingers wishing death on someone is a constant background roar. Not a day goes by that I don't see some Trumpist somewhere posting "I hope someone puts a bullet through that bitch Pelosi" or some such thing. This person "oughtta be shot" and that person "oughtta be shot" and so on and so forth. In fact, if I had to bet on the phrase most often uttered by Trumpists in day-to-day speech, I would put my money on "oughtta be shot" as the clear winner.

[riskllama]

President Trump has added 200,000 new Twitter followers in the last 45 minutes since he posted the drive-by teaser

the majority of them being rubberneckers, i'd guess.

[saxitoxin]

President Trump has added 200,000 new Twitter followers in the last 45 minutes since he posted the drive-by teaser

the majority of them being rubberneckers, i'd guess.

Huh? President Trump didn't get six children by using rubbernecks.

Dumb allegation, Llama.

[riskllama]

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... bbernecker



llama = helping

[riskllama]

https://globalnews.ca/video/7377839/cor ... covid-19...

better late than never, i suppose.

[degaston]

Sure enough, 5 minutes later he did a drive-by before returning to Walter Reed!

We used to do the same thing when my kids were toddlers and they'd get fussy and refuse to take a nap. Taking them for a short drive would put them right to sleep.

[degaston]

Do this for me. Answer these questions with your own sources, and then we can start on a path where I either agree with what you say, or disagree and provide my sources as a counter to your argument.

I don't know if degaston is going to reply. Maybe he will, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't bother. You may think you're being awfully clever by demanding citations of things that are basic common knowledge, but all you are doing is preventing meaningful debate. For the record, I spent two hours and eleven minutes coming up for citations to answer your questions, almost all of which I suspect you knew the answer to before you asked. It just so happens that I had two hours and eleven minutes that I wasn't planning to use productively (probably would have played some pointless video game if I hadn't been writing) so it wasn't much of a loss. But in most cases and for most people, that would have simply been the end of any two-way communication whatsoever. When you demand proof of such basic things (Trump's lies and swindles are well enough documented to be in "the sky is blue" or "the earth is round" territory) you are basically saying that the person you are speaking to has nothing better to do. It's not just insulting, but a real roadblock to communication.

That was a pretty good list. I hadn't decided if I wanted to devote much time to something that won't make any difference.

Under steals, I would also include when Trump admitted to illegally using funds from the Trump Foundation (which was forced to close) to coordinate with his 2016 presidential campaign, settle legal obligations of companies he controlled and to pay for a $10,000 portrait of himself.

[saxitoxin]

[Jdsizzleslice]

I'll grant you that one, simply because of the word "unimaginable". It's pretty difficult to define what is imaginable. But can you name any national-level politician in the history of the United States who has ever been so vulgar and offensive and outright rude to others?

Joe Biden. "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black."

The most famous incident, of course, is his mocking of Serge F. Kovaleski. Most people are impressed that someone has overcome arthrogryposis and gone on to become a respected newsman, winner of a Pulitzer Prize and a George Polk award. For Trump, it's just a way to score a vulgar jab.

Subjective, at best. MSM says he intentionally insulted the reporter, Trump says he was making an action for a regular person groveling. Take your pick, whichever side you are on, that is what you will believe. If the MSM is correct, then Trump is what we all know him to be: brash and at times insensitive. If Trump is correct, then the MSM is what we all know them to be: professional smearers and at times liars.

Take your pick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations Ivana Trump. Cathy Heller. Summer Zervos. Cassandra Seares. Amy Dorris. Any of the others on the list.

All of these are accusations. The phrase should be changed to "alleged sexual misconduct." Biden has also been accused of sexual misconduct. For both men, they are innocent until proven guilty.

This is a difficult one. A great many alt-right characters have supported Donald Trump. Don Black, David Riden, William Johnson, Richard Spencer, Ilana Mercer, and about a dozen others have endorsed Trump. It's difficult to prove that he welcomes the endorsements, since he doesn't make it explicit. He has not, however, criticized or repudiated any of these extremists, even the ones who have spoken at his rallies and worked for his campaign. Johnson was scheduled to be a Trumpist delegate at the 2016 RNC. After the media shone a spotlight on his extremist views, the Trump campaign tried to claim that he was included on the delegates' list through a clerical error. Leaked correspondance, however, shows that he was welcomed by Team Trump, and would no doubt have gone off to the RNC to spread his white power message if the media had not exposed him. The most telling bit of evidence, however, is the "Trump Effect", the massive surge in hate crimes following Trump's rise to power.

Just because you are endorsed by an extremist does not mean that you support that extremist. Trump condemned the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and white supremacists in general. Back in 2016, Trump specifically rejected the KKK's support for his campaign.

If you want to play the same game, Richard Spencer just recently announced support for Biden. So this means Biden supports racists now?

Lastly, the study you provide mentions "hate crimes" in the loosest sense possible. It makes no delineation on who commits the hate crimes.

In 2018, when refusing to go to the Aisne-Marne cemetary, Trump is reported to have said "Why should I go to a cemetary? It's full of losers." When the story was first published in the Atlantic, Trump was swift to deny it, but the story has since been verified by three other major news outlets.

John Bolton debunked this claim.

If it's opinion, it's the most exhaustively-documented opinion of all time. This list shows that Trump passed the 20,000 mark in July. I've heard that he passed the 25,000 mark recently, although I can't find a citation for it. Basically a lie every waking hour since he became president. And yes, of course many on the list are duplicates. Some are lies that he's repeated hundreds of times. Others only a few. Even accounting for duplicates, it's a staggering body of dishonesty.

Yes, the MSM claims Trump lies every other word he says. Because most of the MSM has an abhorrent and obvious political bias against Trump. Does he always tell the truth? No. Has he lied over 25K times? No. But if I source Fox News claiming Trump to be mostly truthful, you'd say it was wrong because Fox News is in Trump's back pocket or something.

Um, thousands upon thousands of people? The one I find most personally offensive is the Trump "University" scam. In this classic bait-and-switch scam, people were persuaded to buy seminars in which they expected to learn about real estate. Instead of being taught anything, they were then told they had to buy a more expensive package before they would learn anything. The whole point of each seminar was to up-sell them to the next seminar, and so on, until they ran out of money. At no point were they taught anything about real estate. We're not talking a few hundred dollars, but tens of thousands. I don't so much mind Trump's real estate scams, in which he was mainly ripping off other businessmen who ought to have known better than to deal with him. But in the Trump University scam, he was ripping off working class people, desperate to improve their lives. By way of citation, I could use any of the hundreds of published descriptions, but instead here's the sworn affidavit of one of the Trump "University" salesmen.

Trump was sued and ultimately settled. A settlement does not include a conviction for wrongdoing. It's possible in this scenario that he did commit wrongdoing, but when the other party accepts a settlement, and does not breach the agreement of the settlement, then the issued is considered settled (pun). We saw pretty much the same thing from the Nick Sandman vs. CNN settlement. Did CNN do anything illegal against Nick Sandman? No one will ever know.

I don't know where you want to draw the line between cheating and stealing. Here's a grab-bag of some of Trump's lesser swindles: https://theweek.com/articles/783976/brief-history-trumps-smalltime-swindles

All of these listed are business-related. Filing for bankruptcy is not the same thing as stealing. There were a few instances listed where Trump was sued and had to pay for damages or is being sued for damages. If the court finds his company wrong in these instances, then he should pay. As far as your source is concerned, he has paid when prompted to by the court.

Again, pick your choice. Most famously, his many violations of the emoluments clause. https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/profiting-off-the-presidency-trumps-violations-of-the-emoluments-clauses/

This one is interesting. This one you reference is going to the Supreme Court, so we will see how that one goes. It was initially dismissed, but then overturned, so it's not really clear as of right now how it will go.

Oh for god's sakes, are you serious? Volodymyr Zelensky? Have you heard of him?

Trump was acquitted of this in the Senate. There was probable cause for Trump to ask Ukraine to look into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. If Biden wasn't running for President, this would have been a nothing-burger.

Vladimir Putin? Getting a little bored with this pretend-ignorance routine.

We have an ongoing investigation on whether or not members of the National Intelligence Community illegally spied on Trump back in 2016. Is it safe to say that during the first two years he was very hesitant to trust some of the same people that may have allegedly tried to illegally keep him from office?

Or how about you come out of your Fox News bubble and pay attention to what's happening in the real world?

I try my best to read independent media and not trust the MSM narrative based in chaos.

I don't know if degaston is going to reply. Maybe he will, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't bother. You may think you're being awfully clever by demanding citations of things that are basic common knowledge, but all you are doing is preventing meaningful debate.

Really... asking someone to provide citations to back up their claims prevents meaningful debate? You need to flip that around. Asking to provide citations engourages debate.

For the record, I spent two hours and eleven minutes coming up for citations to answer your questions, almost all of which I suspect you knew the answer to before you asked. It just so happens that I had two hours and eleven minutes that I wasn't planning to use productively (probably would have played some pointless video game if I hadn't been writing) so it wasn't much of a loss. But in most cases and for most people, that would have simply been the end of any two-way communication whatsoever.

The amount of time to respond is of no value. If you can't make claims you can't back up, then your argument is meaningless and you're just spouting off your opinion or quoting unhinged conspiracy theories.

When you demand proof of such basic things (Trump's lies and swindles are well enough documented to be in "the sky is blue" or "the earth is round" territory) you are basically saying that the person you are speaking to has nothing better to do. It's not just insulting, but a real roadblock to communication.

You think they are documented because you believe everything the MSM tells you to believe. Why not try independent media for a change? Also, how does asking someone to cite their sources in an argument act as a roadblock to communication?!?

Yeah, in fact I did read your post. And yes, I clicked on the link and saw that you dredged up some nobody in some Democratic campaign who wished death on Trump. Yeah, it's not unheard of, but it is rare. Considering how much harm Trump has done in the world, it's probably more surprising how few people wish him dead than how many. Still, it's uncommon. On the other hand, the phenomenon of right-wingers wishing death on someone is a constant background roar. Not a day goes by that I don't see some Trumpist somewhere posting "I hope someone puts a bullet through that bitch Pelosi" or some such thing. This person "oughtta be shot" and that person "oughtta be shot" and so on and so forth. In fact, if I had to bet on the phrase most often uttered by Trumpists in day-to-day speech, I would put my money on "oughtta be shot" as the clear winner.

Some nobody?!? She was an Obama aide and a Hillary Clinton spokesperson for her campaign. She is not a nobody!

And are you referring to just regular people on the internet as "right-wing" people? There are just as many regular people who are left who wants Trump to die from COVID-19. Can you name a politician, MSM member, celebrity, or someone related to a campaign that has ill-willed wishes against a member of the Democratic Party?

For every one person you can present, I would like to imagine I can find at least 3-5 times that amount of blue check marks on Twitter that wants Trump dead.

[riskllama]

duk 2 - hillbilly spock 0

[saxitoxin]

JDizzle: ∞
Duk: -118

JD wins!

[saxitoxin]

(1) Trump announces he's fine now and checking out of Walter Reed today.

(2) Dow Jones jumps 400 points, the sixth biggest daily increase in the history of the market.

(3) Joe Biden trying to get out of next two debates ... says he will only debate if a consensus of an unnamed committee of physicians he's selected tell him he can do it safely without risking his extremely frail constitution. Election now a battle between the Strong (Trump) and the Weak (Biden).

[riskllama]

shouldn't Trump at least self quarantine until he's cleared & not showing any signs of still having the virus? that seems like the responsible thing to do, no?

[degaston]

shouldn't Trump at least self quarantine until he's cleared & not showing any signs of still having the virus? that seems like the responsible thing to do, no?

No, he doesn't take responsibility at all.

[saxitoxin]

shouldn't Trump at least self quarantine until he's cleared & not showing any signs of still having the virus? that seems like the responsible thing to do, no?

According to what they've announced, he and Melania will be self-quarantining on the 2nd floor of the executive residence, which is plenty of space to live and work and will allow the state rooms, the west wing, and the east wing to continue to operate without interruption. The entire floor is hermetically sealed so it's safer than almost any hospital in the world.



The Treaty Room is capable of operating as an auxiliary Oval Office - Obama even used it as an office sometimes on days he was too lazy to walk to the West Wing - so there will be no interruption in command and control.




Barron will be relocating from the East Bedroom of the 2nd floor, to one of the bedrooms on the 3rd floor of the residence, which also has plenty of room to accommodate him.

[riskllama]

ok, that's fine. can't they just do the 2nd & 3rd debates remotely? you can't really blame Biden for not wanting to share a stage w/someone who has recently tested positive for covid, right?

[saxitoxin]

ok, that's fine. can't they just do the 2nd & 3rd debates remotely? you can't really blame Biden for not wanting to share a stage w/someone who has recently tested positive for covid, right?

No, because Biden will wear an earpiece or use notes if he does it remotely. It has to be in-person and President Trump needs to be as close to Biden as possible so there's no sound distoration (otherwise he may accidentally talk over him again, since Biden's voice is very soft, and the media would have a hissy fit).

[saxitoxin]

During the self-quarantine phase, Barron will also handle any non-statutory, purely ceremonial responsibilities where an in-person presence is required like awarding decorations and so forth. People forget that Barron is fluent in three languages, on the honor roll, and has been training to help out for the last three years. He's now stepping up - way to go, Barron!

[riskllama]

LOL, right...

ok, how about everyone except Trump were to show up as planned & Trump shows up, quarantined, only via satellite. seems entirely plausible, no? i mean, Trump's the one who's sick...

[saxitoxin]

ok, how about everyone except Trump were to show up as planned & Trump shows up, quarantined, only via satellite.

How about President Trump licks your face?

[riskllama]

well...he could certainly try, but i suspect it would end badly for him...

[mookiemcgee]

How are these not CC maps?

[riskllama]

all the yellow areas would be -1 troop per turn, right?