BLM, tool of the Marxist

[The ram]

As per, the thread gets derailed and the point completely missed because some idiot reads it wrong and looks for offense.

Derek Chauvin in a nutshell, didn't want to kill Floyd, but he did want to teach him a lesson. The guy that was shouting at Chauvin in the video released by MSM immediately after the incident in an aggressive demeaning manner probably added to Chauvin not releasing pressure to floyd's back/neck. Chauvin as a police officer let bravado get the better of him by showing the guy that he wasn't going to do what he was aggressively demanding. What Chauvin did was terrible and unnecessary but this thread isn't about that.

The point of this thread is how MSM manipulated the situation to their Marxist globalist agenda.

https://youtu.be/XqWGlLKCxE8

This is the division they like to sow and how they use blm in an assault on every individual and small businesses.

[mrswdk]

The guy that was shouting at Chauvin in the video released by MSM immediately after the incident in an aggressive demeaning manner probably added to Chauvin not releasing pressure to floyd's back/neck.

Exactly. The bystander should be arrested for second degree involuntary homicide and Chauvin should immediately be pardoned at the White House.

[jimboston]

As per, the thread gets derailed and the point completely missed because some idiot reads it wrong and looks for offense.

Derek Chauvin in a nutshell, didn't want to kill Floyd, but he did want to teach him a lesson. The guy that was shouting at Chauvin in the video released by MSM immediately after the incident in an aggressive demeaning manner probably added to Chauvin not releasing pressure to floyd's back/neck. Chauvin as a police officer let bravado get the better of him by showing the guy that he wasn't going to do what he was aggressively demanding. What Chauvin did was terrible and unnecessary but this thread isn't about that.

The point of this thread is how MSM manipulated the situation to their Marxist globalist agenda.

https://youtu.be/XqWGlLKCxE8

This is the division they like to sow and how they use blm in an assault on every individual and small businesses.

I agree that it’s possible that Chauvin continued with the pressure on Floyd’s neck to somehow “prove” he was ‘in charge’ and he wasn’t gonna listen to the bystander. This does not exonerate him from murder. “Teaching him a lesson” has no value if he’s dead and unable to implement the lesson taught in the future. Chauvin “not wanting” to kill Flyod may make the conviction get downgraded, but it’s not an exoneration.

The bystander did the right thing... claiming that the cop applied ‘more’ pressure or pressure for ‘longer’ because of the bystander is silly. If Chauvin is an ass with too much Bravado, he shouldn’t be a cop. His record kinda proves this is what he was, and he should‘ve been removed from the force a long time ago. The problem people are complaining about is that the police rally around and ‘protect their own’ even when they KNOW there are bad apples in there. If police could do a better job self-culling bad apples then people would have no complaints and there would be no need for reform.

You’ve basically admitted there is a need for police reform. Yes?

I don’t blame MSM... MSM reports what people want to watch. It’s sad, but true. There is no MSM ‘conspiracy’.

[2dimes]

I already should not have wrote in this topic, but I will try to clear up my question.

Why does it feel like your opinion of what the cop intended was to silence the perp and he did a bang up job of it.

Stated many times that I don't think that the knee to the neck was appropriate, and condemned that action, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Absolutely regardless of why it happens, Even twenty years ago. if someone puts their knee on your neck. You are likely going to panic and try to make that stop.

This time a person died.

You keep saying, "It's not murder" "no intent."

Well I don't think "the knee to the neck" was an unintentional accident. Like the cop did not even notice and would say, "What, I have my knee on his neck? Oh, so I do. Sorry about that." While he hops up and off the guy.

I think The ram's explanation must be very close, possibly exactly correct.

So if putting his knee on the guys neck was intentional, but not intended to kill him.

My whole point can be, "What do you think the intent was?" Or, "Why defend this?"

[Jdsizzleslice]

I already should not have wrote in this topic, but I will try to clear up my question.

Don't worry about that, I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt initially.

Absolutely regardless of why it happens, Even twenty years ago. if someone puts their knee on your neck. You are likely going to panic and try to make that stop.

This time a person died.

You keep saying, "It's not murder" "no intent."

Well I don't think "the knee to the neck" was an unintentional accident. Like the cop did not even notice and would say, "What, I have my knee on his neck? Oh, so I do. Sorry about that." While he hops up and off the guy.

I think The ram's explanation must be very close, possibly exactly correct.

So if putting his knee on the guys neck was intentional, but not intended to kill him.

My whole point can be, "What do you think the intent was?" Or, "Why defend this?"

I agree with Ram's explanation. From what I gather, there was no intent to kill, or even if the knee to the neck was the driving force related to death. You can argue the knee to the neck for that duration was intentional, as that will most likely be an argument used in court. Ultimately, this situation is not as black-and-white as we were initially led to believe and there are a lot of things to consider here.

I do think he should be held accountable for his actions, I just don't think murder is the right charge.

I am not trying to defend the actions of the officer. I feel as if that's what is coming across, since you're not the only person who has said this. Maybe I am doing a bad job of articulating my thoughts.

[2dimes]

That was part of why I asked.

It was obvious when you said, "the knee on the neck is unacceptable." But it still looked like you were defending him doing it.

For me there is no reason George Floyd should have died under another person.
Period, full stop.

Anything else is just discussion which is fine. Sorry if it seemed like I was implicating you along with him.

I already should not have wrote in this topic, but I will try to clear up my question.

Don't worry about that, I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt initially.

I was not nor am I worried. It's just that I should be in other threads concentrating on posting nonsense.

[mookiemcgee]

If you flip the situation around, and two guys in the street get in a fight. One ends if by knee to the neck. The loser taps, but winner keeps his knee on his neck for an additional 4 mins until loser passes out. Then keeps knee on his neck for another 4 min after loser is unconscious until an ambulance arrives. Well it's not murder by Ram + JD's definition because he just meant to subdue him and went a little too far. Sorry guys, but that just doesn't fly not even for a police officer. In court the winner of the fight wouldn't be charged with 'manslaughter', he would be charged with murder. A police officer is trained (or at least should be) trained not to kill people while detaining them (especially if they are unarmed), and a even a 5 year old would understand keeping your knee on someones neck for 9 min could likely lead to someones death.

Justifying it by saying the fight loser might have been high, or might have resisted, or kept claiming he couldn't breath (a plea every officer in every video ignores for the entire episode)... well it's all just bullshit because that guy willfully and purposely continued his actions after the man was unconscious for several minutes and with bystander pointing out repeatedly that 'you are killing him'. He doesn't get to pretend now that he didn't understand he was potentially going to end George Floyds life, or that he didn't mean to do it. He's trained to know, every person watching knew that was the likely outcome and suggested it to the officer.

There is no excuse. A man who shouldn't have, died at the hands of an officer who was in full control of the situation with plenty of backup. This wasn't a gunshot that required a split second decision by the officer, this was 9 minutes of willfully and purposly choking someone to death. I'm sure Chauvin regrets the decisions he made that day, but so do lots of people who commit crimes and are in jail.



Oh and here is a deeper dive into the autopsy, since we were discussing that earlier

[mrswdk]

Why does it even matter whether it's homicide or manslaughter?

[jimboston]

Why does it even matter whether it's homicide or manslaughter?

He doesn’t like the term “murder”.

If you can report it as ‘homicide’ and then through the adjective “accidental” in front of it, it doesn’t sound so horrible to the dumb masses of people that live in this country. If it doesn’t sound horrible to the dumb masses then the wind goes out of the sails and there’s no push for reform.

[Jdsizzleslice]

[2dimes]

Four months later.

https://globalnews.ca/video/7386360/geo ... ed-on-bail

I am glad I don't live in Minneapolis. Things are probably going to get tense there.