DeGeneres is racist and toxic

[jimboston]

You’re agreeing the term is dumb... but you seem to be saying that asking someone where they’re from is bad.

I think you've missed the point. It's not the "where are you from?" it's the "where are you really from?"



I don't usually waste time on YouTube videos, but this one is only 2 minutes and 20 seconds. I think you can afford it.

Please don’t defend mrswdk. He can defend himself fine.

Did you watch the video or not?

Yes. That also wouldn’t be IMHO a ‘microaggression’.. it’d just be a dumb idiot.

[2dimes]

What I like about that video is his mood change, he is super excited about kimchee, then at the end he looks depressed.

[mrswdk]

You’re agreeing the term is dumb... but you seem to be saying that asking someone where they’re from is bad.

I think you've missed the point. It's not the "where are you from?" it's the "where are you really from?"



I don't usually waste time on YouTube videos, but this one is only 2 minutes and 20 seconds. I think you can afford it.

Please don’t defend mrswdk. He can defend himself fine.

Did you watch the video or not?

Yes. That also wouldn’t be IMHO a ‘microaggression’.. it’d just be a dumb idiot.

I feel like you need to go back and read the rest of this thread again. The guy's behaviour in Duk's video is textbook microaggression.

[jimboston]

The guy's behaviour in Duk's video is textbook microaggression.

There is no such thing as microaggression.

At least not in the human world.

[mrswdk]

The guy's behaviour in Duk's video is textbook microaggression.

There is no such thing as microaggression.

Once you've gotten over your existentialist crisis the definition of microaggression on Google is:

Microaggression is a term used for brief and commonplace daily verbal, behavioural, or environmental indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative prejudicial slights and insults toward any group, particularly culturally marginalized groups.

[jimboston]

Microaggression is a term used for brief and commonplace daily verbal, behavioural, or environmental indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative prejudicial slights and insults toward any group, particularly culturally marginalized groups.

The “intentionality” or at least awareness that one is “aggressive” is to me the key differentiator between something like this being “bad” or not.

My belief and experience is that most actions that could be labeled as “microaggression” under this definition are more likely PERCEIVED offenses rather than actual REAL intentional offenses. Continuing with this line of thinking, it’s my believe that many people are overly sensitive and we (in USA and most of “the West”) are contributing to the wimpification of the human race by acknowledging every potential slight or offense. In other words... toughen up a bit!

[mrswdk]

And I agree that 'aggression' is a stupid term, as I already said in my first post in this thread https://www.healthline.com/health/short ... emory-loss

Regardless of what it's called. do you accepted that people can make comments that fit the definition I posted above? And that the things the guy in Duk's video says fit that definition?

[jimboston]

And I agree that 'aggression' is a stupid term, as I already said in my first post in this thread https://www.healthline.com/health/short ... emory-loss

Regardless of what it's called. do you accepted that people can make comments that fit the definition I posted above? And that the things the guy in Duk's video says fit that definition?

Duk’s video is an exaggerated comedy sketch. So no... I don’t agree people act like that. If I meet people who appear to be anywhere near as clueless as the guy in this video I shut them down and walk away. If I have to interact with them for work I keep it all business and don’t engage them in any other way.

I agree people do make comments with the definition you provided... but I dislike the definition. I STILL FEEL that INTENTION is key... and that intent or lack thereof is critical. I also feel people need to develop thicker skins and not be pansies!

[mrswdk]

Well there's a surprise, the white American guy living in a predominately white American area doesn't have much first-hand experience of people making weird comments to non-white Americans about their background.

[jimboston]

Well there's a surprise, the white American guy living in a predominately white American area doesn't have much first-hand experience of people making weird comments to non-white Americans about their background.

You were the one who brought up the “where are you from” question as an example of ‘microaggression’.

I’m opposed to the definition of that word that you present.

Please don’t paint me as oblivious to the indignities that people of all stripes face daily.
There’s a big difference between tolerating ‘weird comments’ from dumb people, and calling those ‘weird comments’ AGGRESSIVE.
You’ll take it another step and then paint people who may otherwise be nice, but are kinda clueless, as racist.

[mrswdk]

Well there's a surprise, the white American guy living in a predominately white American area doesn't have much first-hand experience of people making weird comments to non-white Americans about their background.

You were the one who brought up the “where are you from” question as an example of ‘microaggression’.

I’m opposed to the definition of that word that you present.

Please don’t paint me as oblivious to the indignities that people of all stripes face daily.
There’s a big difference between tolerating ‘weird comments’ from dumb people, and calling those ‘weird comments’ AGGRESSIVE.
You’ll take it another step and then paint people who may otherwise be nice, but are kinda clueless, as racist.

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Do you want to have another go? Let me know if you struggle with any of the big words.

[jimboston]

Well there's a surprise, the white American guy living in a predominately white American area doesn't have much first-hand experience of people making weird comments to non-white Americans about their background.

You were the one who brought up the “where are you from” question as an example of ‘microaggression’.

I’m opposed to the definition of that word that you present.

Please don’t paint me as oblivious to the indignities that people of all stripes face daily.
There’s a big difference between tolerating ‘weird comments’ from dumb people, and calling those ‘weird comments’ AGGRESSIVE.
You’ll take it another step and then paint people who may otherwise be nice, but are kinda clueless, as racist.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=233932#p5165713

Do you want to have another go? Let me know if you struggle with any of the big words.

Why do I need ‘another go’?

You agreed it was a dumb word.

Do you think this world would be better if we all...
a) strive to have “thinner skins” and allow ourselves to be offended by every potential slight intended or not?
-OR-
b) strive to have “thicker skins” and ignore minor slights especially if they’re likely unintended and/or come from people we really don’t care about anyway?

[mrswdk]

I said it was a dumb term but it is used to refer to a genuine phenomenon. Is this now three strikes and you’re out?

[jimboston]

I said it was a dumb term but it is used to refer to a genuine phenomenon. Is this now three strikes and you’re out?

A genuine phenomenon?

What’s the phenomenon... that some people are dumb?
We need a word for this?

[mrswdk]

Cool, bro.

[2dimes]

I like that the term exists, it helps facilitate discussion. The phenomenon is, there are people that use that sort of language intending to make others feel inferior. Maybe you have never seen it but it's out there.

Making a list of questions and assuming they are "micro aggressions" lacks the ability to consider the intent. That becomes a micro aggression.

I agree the guy in the video is goofy and acts dumb, so it's much more amusing than negative.

There are people that ask where someone they don't think should be in their town is from because they are being jerks. Hoping to make the person feel bad and send them away.

I feel the intent should be to make us think about how someone might feel when I ask a certain question, that can be a good thing.

Getting carried away and attacking someone who inocently asks, "So, does your wife work near here?" Is no better than assuming that gay guy has a wife.

Maybe it was not forcing hetero-normal expectations on him. It was like Jim wrote, some of us just enjoy conversation. "Oh, you live with a guy? Sorry, does he work near here?"

Unfortunately for some the intent is to expect "they are not one of those. If they are we got to fix 'em or get rid of them."

[jimboston]

I like that the term exists, it helps facilitate discussion. The phenomenon is, there are people that use that sort of language intending to make others feel inferior. Maybe you have never seen it but it's out there.

Some people are dick and some people aren’t.

The term microaggression is bullshit. Every interaction could be considered microaggression in some way.

If I’m buying something and I don’t like the price or don’t wanna pay shipping... if I ask the salesperson or manager to waive the shipping or work on the price for me... is that being “aggressive”. I don’t do this at supermarkets for a $3 jar of pickles... but you can get discounts off large ticket items even at chain stores. I know because I’ve gotten them and because I worked at these stores and would offer them because as a manager we were judged by our weekly numbers.

I think the term enables people to cry for no reason.

I think we all need thicker skins and we need to let things slide.

There is either appropriate behavior or inappropriate behavior.... there is no ‘microaggression’ in between stage.

Making a list of questions and assuming they are "micro aggressions" lacks the ability to consider the intent. That becomes a micro aggression.

Huh? Are you saying intent is a necessary component... if so then we agree.

[2dimes]

Of course you think we need thicker skins and are being a dick about it. You're from Boston.

That's microagression, because even though a few people from Boston are not dicks like you, it implies they all are.

Making a list of questions and assuming they are "micro aggressions" lacks the ability to consider the intent. That becomes a micro aggression.

Huh? Are you saying intent is a necessary component... if so then we agree.

Yes, plus I'm saying just assigning a string of words the "this is bad" label is ok until it ends up being used too broadly.

Some sentences can't be dressed up nice. A nasty statement will still be a turd even if you sprinkle some icing sugar on it. Much like you shouldn't use certain out dated words.

[mrswdk]

Of course you think we need thicker skins and are being a dick about it. You're from Boston.

That's microagression, because even though a few people from Boston are not dicks like you, it implies they all are.

2d bringing the FIRE to this thread.

[jimboston]

Of course you think we need thicker skins and are being a dick about it. You're from Boston.

That's microagression, because even though a few people from Boston are not dicks like you, it implies they all are.

That’s not microaggression... it’s humor.

No one I’d hang around with from Boston would be offended by that statement. They’d think it’s funny.

Making a list of questions and assuming they are "micro aggressions" lacks the ability to consider the intent. That becomes a micro aggression.

Huh? Are you saying intent is a necessary component... if so then we agree.

Yes, plus I'm saying just assigning a string of words the "this is bad" label is ok until it ends up being used too broadly.

OK... you got an assbackwards way of saying it, but you’re finally clear..

Some sentences can't be dressed up nice. A nasty statement will still be a turd even if you sprinkle some icing sugar on it. Much like you shouldn't use certain out dated words.

What outdated words are we not allowed to use this week?

I’m so annoyed by the PC Police.

Just because some people are offended doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be allowed to us a word.

When I say “retard’ I’m not talking about a mentally ill person... I’m talking about an idiot.

When I say “fag” I’m not talking about a gay person... I’m talking about a wimp.

The meanings of these slang words have changed, but the thin-skinned people are still offended by them.

The N-Word is similar... it’s fine for some people to use but not others.
Shit my kids listen to modern Rap... most of which is crap, but every once in awhile there’s a good tune.
When they sing along they automatically just skip the parts where the Rapper says the N-Word...
but when i sing along I don’t, and they give me looks like I’m “not allowed”.

IMHO... if I’m singing along with a fricken Rap song and the N-Word is used therein... then in that context I can say it.

Thoughts.

[2dimes]

I'll let Oprah explain what makes the word bad but if you think people should get a thicker skin so you can sing it, you go gurl.

[mrswdk]

I like how jim is aware that some of the slurs he's talking about are so offensive that he can't even bring himself to type them, and yet he is still insisting that it is totally fine for him to use them whenever he feels like it.

[2dimes]

Yes yes yes, do you know what I am saying N-word?

[jimboston]

I like how jim is aware that some of the slurs he's talking about are so offensive that he can't even bring himself to type them, and yet he is still insisting that it is totally fine for him to use them whenever he feels like it.

Apparently you don’t know how to read.

I never said it was total fine to. use all those words whenever I felt and in whatever context.

Obviously using the N-Word asa racial slut to describe a person in a negative way while talking about them is wrong, and using it to someone’s face saying something like F-U N-Word is bad (and should get you punched).... but is saying it out loud as you sing along with a Rap song bad?

I’m making a specific distinction about the context of where/how the word is used.

[jimboston]

I'll let Oprah explain what makes the word bad but if you think people should get a thicker skin so you can sing it, you go gurl.

She’s talking specifically about the N-Word.
... and if I remember the whole interview, I think she’s talking about how it’s use in Rap Culture is bad.
She’d prefer it to be dropped by all people.

My point (and actually question) is more narrow.

Also...you both ignored the “R-Word” and the “F-Word” too.