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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:16 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Sounds plausible, but the Guardian article seemed to me to show that taking the feds out of it defused the situation.

Hate to break it to you, Feds never left. They are still inside the courthouse. The article presented by The Gaurdian has an incorrect headline and misleading information. An attempt of framing gone wrong.

The withdrawal of federal agents from frontline policing of demonstrations in downtown Portland significantly reduced tensions in the city overnight.

Yes... Feds did not come outside of the courthouse... Because Oregon State Police assisted the Feds... Therefore no Federal troops on "frontline" of riot...

And what happened to the riots last night? They didn't really happen... Even though Federal Agents were still inside the courthouse...

Weird.
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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby 2dimes on Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:39 pm

Hey I agree some things need to be changed. Police covering for officers harming people apart from defending others including themselves is not ok. Sounds like it might require the opposite of de-funding.

As for going to the riot area, I like the idea of going to see someone potentially get shot in the nuts with a bean bag.

Thing is, if I head down there I'm not going to get near anyone vandalizing property, looting or throwing things at cops.

I have walked around with a sign. If police came we would probably have talked to them, not light a Roman candle and shoot fire balls at them.

No one needs to shoot rubber bullets at me after the sun goes down. They can ask nice and I would probably wrap it up for the day. It's part of showing I'm there hoping things can get better, not waiting to see if I can grab some dry goods once the doors and windows are out of the way.
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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby KoolBak on Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:38 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:
I mostly agree with everything Kool said, as I also know a ton of people in and around portland who basically all say the same thing. There are non-violent protests and marches all over portland, police around, no issues of violence on either side (because portland loves protests). Then there is like 1-2 square blocks where the crazies and the feds mostly really just at night are clashing. If you are a mom with 2 kids at home and work a job all day, it's probably a bad idea for you to purposely go at night to the one small area where you are likely to get hit by rubber bullets and tear gassed. You are better off actually engaging in protest somewhere else, there are plenty of options in Ptown.


Thanks Mook. If you know this area, I live in West Linn. If you know West Linn, you'll understand about the type of women I am generalizing about. I grew up in North Plains...at the time, probly the biggest asscrack in Oregon. Busted my ass to buy here 30 years ago so my kids could have a better childhood cultural experience than I did...downside: entitled rich soccer moms :lol:
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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby mookiemcgee on Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:20 pm

KoolBak wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
I mostly agree with everything Kool said, as I also know a ton of people in and around portland who basically all say the same thing. There are non-violent protests and marches all over portland, police around, no issues of violence on either side (because portland loves protests). Then there is like 1-2 square blocks where the crazies and the feds mostly really just at night are clashing. If you are a mom with 2 kids at home and work a job all day, it's probably a bad idea for you to purposely go at night to the one small area where you are likely to get hit by rubber bullets and tear gassed. You are better off actually engaging in protest somewhere else, there are plenty of options in Ptown.


Thanks Mook. If you know this area, I live in West Linn. If you know West Linn, you'll understand about the type of women I am generalizing about. I grew up in North Plains...at the time, probly the biggest asscrack in Oregon. Busted my ass to buy here 30 years ago so my kids could have a better childhood cultural experience than I did...downside: entitled rich soccer moms :lol:


They are all named karen and have tribal tatoos on their backs, smoke weed but not in front of the kids and quite a few had tongue piercings but took them out when they got pregnant the first time. They may or may not have worked in one of portland many strip clubs in their early 20s. Their husbands made it big in tech/wineries/restaurants and now they stand up for what is right (in their opinions) and don't really respect people who don't share their opinions... Sound about right?
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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby riskllama on Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:22 pm

here's a neat/interesting video on the militarization of US police forces, seems kind of relevant...*shrugs*

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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby KoolBak on Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:38 am

Lmao! Don't forget their Mercedes / Land Rover mommobiles They love to sneer at my loud AF 86 Chevy truck :lol:


mookiemcgee wrote:
KoolBak wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
I mostly agree with everything Kool said, as I also know a ton of people in and around portland who basically all say the same thing. There are non-violent protests and marches all over portland, police around, no issues of violence on either side (because portland loves protests). Then there is like 1-2 square blocks where the crazies and the feds mostly really just at night are clashing. If you are a mom with 2 kids at home and work a job all day, it's probably a bad idea for you to purposely go at night to the one small area where you are likely to get hit by rubber bullets and tear gassed. You are better off actually engaging in protest somewhere else, there are plenty of options in Ptown.


Thanks Mook. If you know this area, I live in West Linn. If you know West Linn, you'll understand about the type of women I am generalizing about. I grew up in North Plains...at the time, probly the biggest asscrack in Oregon. Busted my ass to buy here 30 years ago so my kids could have a better childhood cultural experience than I did...downside: entitled rich soccer moms :lol:


They are all named karen and have tribal tatoos on their backs, smoke weed but not in front of the kids and quite a few had tongue piercings but took them out when they got pregnant the first time. They may or may not have worked in one of portland many strip clubs in their early 20s. Their husbands made it big in tech/wineries/restaurants and now they stand up for what is right (in their opinions) and don't really respect people who don't share their opinions... Sound about right?
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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:16 pm

KoolBak wrote:Lmao! Don't forget their Mercedes / Land Rover mommobiles They love to sneer at my loud AF 86 Chevy truck :lol:


mookiemcgee wrote:
KoolBak wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
I mostly agree with everything Kool said, as I also know a ton of people in and around portland who basically all say the same thing. There are non-violent protests and marches all over portland, police around, no issues of violence on either side (because portland loves protests). Then there is like 1-2 square blocks where the crazies and the feds mostly really just at night are clashing. If you are a mom with 2 kids at home and work a job all day, it's probably a bad idea for you to purposely go at night to the one small area where you are likely to get hit by rubber bullets and tear gassed. You are better off actually engaging in protest somewhere else, there are plenty of options in Ptown.


Thanks Mook. If you know this area, I live in West Linn. If you know West Linn, you'll understand about the type of women I am generalizing about. I grew up in North Plains...at the time, probly the biggest asscrack in Oregon. Busted my ass to buy here 30 years ago so my kids could have a better childhood cultural experience than I did...downside: entitled rich soccer moms :lol:


They are all named karen and have tribal tatoos on their backs, smoke weed but not in front of the kids and quite a few had tongue piercings but took them out when they got pregnant the first time. They may or may not have worked in one of portland many strip clubs in their early 20s. Their husbands made it big in tech/wineries/restaurants and now they stand up for what is right (in their opinions) and don't really respect people who don't share their opinions... Sound about right?



Showing up to protest in your newly leased Land Rover, classic...
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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby riskllama on Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:11 pm

quit being a pair of Kyles, you two... :roll:
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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby KoolBak on Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:34 pm

:lol:
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Re: Fort Sumter, Portland

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:50 pm

2dimes wrote:I believe Duk that several police officers on earth are jerks, dishing out unreasonable beatings for little to no reason.

Let's be real, videos of police murdering black guys exist. It seems unbelievable but I reluctantly watched one. That's not ok.

Unlike the folks Koolbak is talking about, if police officers are near by abusing innocent people dumb enough to wander into a particular place. I don't think. "I'm going down to get me some of that."

Doesn't matter one fucking bit your skin color, sexual preferences, religion, political vent, number if extremeties. People are either decent or they're not.

I believe that's true for police too.


KoolBak wrote:Of course it's true for police too. And tailors. And bankers. And truck drivers. I said PEOPLE :lol:


I was working with some of my favourite cops today, which reminded me that I hadn't gotten around to responding to this.

Yes, there's good people and bad people, and that includes good cops and bad cops.

It isn't about the cops being bad people. It's about the fact that there's nothing to reign them in.

ALL of us are corruptible. All of us, from time to time, face a temptation to do something that we know is wrong. Our conscience is our first line of defense. Most of our evil deeds get stopped in their tracks because Jiminy Cricket pops up in the back of our heads and says "you don't want to do that." But when we're angry or stressed, sometimes our conscience isn't strong enough. That's where the law steps in. It's our second line of defense. When the temptation to beat the shit out of someone grows strong enough that our conscience alone won't hold us back, the thought of going to jail helps hold us back.

The cops don't have this second line of defense. When they lose their temper and beat the shit out of someone, they say "resisting arrest" and four times out of five that will end any investigation right there and then. In the unlikely event that a deeper investigation takes place, they face only a 1/3 chance of actually being charged. If they are charged, they face only a 1/3 chance of being convicted. If they are convicted, they face only a 1/3 chance of being incarcerated.

If you or I lose our temper and beat the shit out of someone, our chances of going to jail are about 25%. If a cop loses his temper and beats the shit out of someone, his chances of going to jail are about 3%.

This isn't a condemnation of the cops as people. As people, they are neither more nor less perfect than the rest of us. It's a condemnation of the system, which does everything possible to prevent them from being held to account. Police departments and police unions work together to prevent cops from being charged or convicted. The normal management versus union stance doesn't apply here -- the unions want to protect their member, but the department also wants to protect them, because if it's proven that they acted wrongfully, the department might have to pay a settlement. The prosecutors pull their punches and play nice with the cops, since they depend on the police for assistance in other cases. The judges are more likely to believe a cop, especially if his victim was some lowlife. But even if the victim was a normal citizen, the judges still give the benefit of the doubt to police testimony. So everybody in the system -- the cop, his buddies on the force, his union, his five-star attorney provided by the union, his superior officers and the police commission, the judges and even the prosecutor himself -- is lined up to either help or at least not hurt the cop's defense.

Add to that the fact that they are being trained with an "us versus them" mentality, and armed with military-grade hardware, and it's a prescription for a pogrom.

Most of them are not bad people, but the system is set up to indulge the bad ones, and it does nothing to hinder the good ones when they too yield to their worse impulses. You'd have a lot more bank tellers stealing if the banks worked as hard as the police departments at preventing prosecution of the bad apples!
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