mookiemcgee wrote:Can you give me a hypothetical that proves him wrong? You did declare it was factually incorrect, but as has been pointed out to you about 10 times in this thread you don't really offer much beyond stamping your feet and declaring you are the truth teller but that you aren't going to "spoon feed" us.
Yes.
I want some jerky know-it-all who’s quoting Carnegie Mellon to me to eat mud.
I kick his knee out... knock him to the ground... grab the back of his head... and then shove mud in his mouth.
I’m making him. do something I want regardless of whether he want to or not.
Yes, but the person isn't choosing to do anything in your scenario, you're just beating them up and you're sticking mud in their face. The quote is all about putting people in a scenario where they have to make a choice, and then suffer the consequences of that choice.
You asked for a hypothetical that proves his statement wrong.
This hypothetical does that.
Is this hypothetical ridiculous? Yes. Is this situation sustainable... does it mean he’ll continue to eat mud when I leave? No.
As mrswdk stated, I’m just arguing semantics here... so feel free to ignore... but don’t say I’m wrong about Carnegie’s inaccurate statement, i’m not.
mookiemcgee wrote:Can you give me a hypothetical that proves him wrong? You did declare it was factually incorrect, but as has been pointed out to you about 10 times in this thread you don't really offer much beyond stamping your feet and declaring you are the truth teller but that you aren't going to "spoon feed" us.
Yes.
I want some jerky know-it-all who’s quoting Carnegie Mellon to me to eat mud.
I kick his knee out... knock him to the ground... grab the back of his head... and then shove mud in his mouth.
I’m making him. do something I want regardless of whether he want to or not.
Yes, but the person isn't choosing to do anything in your scenario, you're just beating them up and you're sticking mud in their face. The quote is all about putting people in a scenario where they have to make a choice, and then suffer the consequences of that choice.
A good hypothetical has to be based in reality...Let's be honest, you wouldn't get passed reaching for the mud before you'd be on the ground crying for your mom. Which isn't what I want, but it most certainly will be what you want at that moment. Lessons for this week are concluded, your final grade is F.
Now you’re resorting the “I’m rubber your glue” method of debate?
It’s like you’re playing “cops and robbers” with a 5yo, and one kid says “bang, I shot you”... and the kid replies “your bullet bounced off my force field”... and then the first kid say “I used a force field penetrating bullet”. It’s not gonna go anywhere.
You asked for a hypothetical.
Replace me with Conor McGregor in that hypothetical, and keep you in the role as weaselly annoying Carnegie-loving loud mouth. Game. Set. Match.
jimboston wrote:Some people and points aren’t worth considering.
I don’t think you fall in that group or i’d have stopped replying by now.
I also don;t understand why I’m supposed to be able to sense the humor (or times where you are ‘having fun with me’... but you can’t sense the humor in my posts. Obviously a communication thing... but half the quotes you pulled above are sarcastic or “extreme to be funny”.
Well, you have definitely made your point that you haven't tried to consider any of my points.
Also, those quotes I got from you were humorous? When I read them, I saw them as being very arrogant. But I was never insulted. It shows more about how you decide to talk to people, really.
Some were very arrogant... and some were intentionally arrogant to be funny. You missed it. Apparently I missed your attempts to “have fun with me”... no.
Sounds like there’s been some miscommunication here... but I’m not shouldering all the blame. Communication is a 2-way street.
I will stand by my comments saying some people and points aren’t worth considering... and also that I don’t think you fall in that category.
That said... I don;t think any of the points i’ve made in this thread are “all opinion”. There’s definitely opinion in there... but there’s a trail and logic path, and if you try to follow it with an open mind you;ll see it. If you won’t open your mind... sorry, I can’t help you.
jimboston wrote:Now you’re resorting the “I’m rubber your glue” method of debate?
It’s like you’re playing “cops and robbers” with a 5yo, and one kid says “bang, I shot you”... and the kid replies “your bullet bounced off my force field”... and then the first kid say “I used a force field penetrating bullet”. It’s not gonna go anywhere.
You asked for a hypothetical.
Replace me with Conor McGregor in that hypothetical, and keep you in the role as weaselly annoying Carnegie-loving loud mouth. Game. Set. Match.
Dude, literally the whole point of this thought exercise, and the point that is being made here, is to get someone else to do something that you want, not you doing something else to someone that you want: it's they themselves, not you, that has to do the action. I agree, grade of F is deserving. Again it's a thought exercise...
jimboston wrote:Some were very arrogant... and some were intentionally arrogant to be funny. You missed it. Apparently I missed your attempts to “have fun with me”... no.
Maybe I personally missed your shift from complete seriousness to "humor" with the same arrogant overtone... Pardon my lack of understanding then for not clearly recognizing the shift then when the same language is used...
Also, you didn't see the *insert Cenk Uygur Memes* post or Steven Crowder's "The Polite Racist" video? Just two examples of trying to make light of the situation...
jimboston wrote:That said... I don;t think any of the points i’ve made in this thread are “all opinion”. There’s definitely opinion in there... but there’s a trail and logic path, and if you try to follow it with an open mind you;ll see it. If you won’t open your mind... sorry, I can’t help you.
This is what I have been trying to tell you. You keep using these statements as to alienate me from ever understanding your position. There is a logical path that ends very shortly right next to a large canyon because you don't back up any claims. Saying "This proves Systemic Racism exists, and that's fact!" doesn't mean that systemic racism is a fact.
Being born into poverty doesn't mean systemic racism exists.
A high violent crime rate doesn't mean that systemic racism exists.
A breakdown in the family doesn't mean that systemic racism exists.
A subpar education doesn't mean that tat systemic racism exists.
Your argument is that the culmination of these things proves systemic racism exists. Based on what? Just 'cuz you said so? Just 'cuz you have an "open mind" and I don't? Is it the line of logic that A causes B, B causes C, so A MUST also cause C that you are trying to use here? mookie agrees largely with your point but he was able to explain why he thinks that the culmination of these things causes systemic racism.
If "opening my mind" is just accepting whatever you say without supporting evidence as "fact" then call me shortsighted, unreasonable, and condemning. Hell, why not just go all in, guns-a-blazing, and call me a racist, homophobe, and any other name short of being a KKK Grand Poke' Dungeon Dragon Master!
Jdsizzleslice wrote:Dude, literally the whole point of this thought exercise, and the point that is being made here, is to get someone else to do something that you want, not you doing something else to someone that you want: it's they themselves, not you, that has to do the action. I agree, grade of F is deserving. Again it's a thought exercise...
I thought I was done with you.
I don’t recognize your right to give me an F. Me making him do it or. not... he’s doing it. That’s what Carnegie said.
I’ve already agreed that getting someone to ‘want’ to do something is. better way of accomplishing a goal and definitely more sustainable... but it’s not the only way. I was challenged to give a hypothetical. I gave it. Done.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
jimboston wrote:Some were very arrogant... and some were intentionally arrogant to be funny. You missed it. Apparently I missed your attempts to “have fun with me”... no.
Maybe I personally missed your shift from complete seriousness to "humor" with the same arrogant overtone... Pardon my lack of understanding then for not clearly recognizing the shift then when the same language is used...
Your non-apology is provisionally accepted.
Jdsizzleslice wrote: Also, you didn't see the *insert Cenk Uygur Memes* post or Steven Crowder's "The Polite Racist" video? Just two examples of trying to make light of the situation...
I saw both... just because I didn’t comment on them doesn’t mean I don’t find them funny or interesting.
The video was funny but not applicable to me... the Cenk Uyguy comment didn’t seem relevant in anyway, though I admit not being familiar with the guy... but a quick Google search didn’t interest me in exploring further.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
jimboston wrote:That said... I don;t think any of the points i’ve made in this thread are “all opinion”. There’s definitely opinion in there... but there’s a trail and logic path, and if you try to follow it with an open mind you;ll see it. If you won’t open your mind... sorry, I can’t help you.
This is what I have been trying to tell you. You keep using these statements as to alienate me from ever understanding your position.
That. ending was clearly a joke!
Jdsizzleslice wrote: There is a logical path that ends very shortly right next to a large canyon because you don't back up any claims. Saying "This proves Systemic Racism exists, and that's fact!" doesn't mean that systemic racism is a fact.
This is where YOU start sounding preachy the way you’re making me sound.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
Being born into poverty doesn't mean systemic racism exists.
A high violent crime rate doesn't mean that systemic racism exists.
A breakdown in the family doesn't mean that systemic racism exists.
A subpar education doesn't mean that tat systemic racism exists.
Your argument is that the culmination of these things proves systemic racism exists. Based on what? Just 'cuz you said so? Just 'cuz you have an "open mind" and I don't? Is it the line of logic that A causes B, B causes C, so A MUST also cause C that you are trying to use here? mookie agrees largely with your point but he was able to explain why he thinks that the culmination of these things causes systemic racism.
I never used the word racism... I used the word bias. Systemic bias. Quite different than systemic racism
The bias is the FACT that statistically African Americans start out behind (White Americans), and for the aforementioned reasons they have fewer opportunities to advance... and this creates a cycle that perpetuates this divide. The divide is NOT created because there are innate differences between the races... the divide is a product of society and social interactions that has existed since African Americans were brought over as slaves.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:If "opening my mind" is just accepting whatever you say without supporting evidence as "fact" then call me shortsighted, unreasonable, and condemning. Hell, why not just go all in, guns-a-blazing, and call me a racist, homophobe, and any other name short of being a KKK Grand Poke' Dungeon Dragon Master!
You don’t strike me as racist... so I won’t label you as such. Neither am I familiar with your D&D Dungeon Master skilz... so you don’t merit that name either.
i’m probably not explaining my thoughts well... I’m using shorthand... maybe that’s the problem. Though I think you can’t argue with the fact that African Americans statistically ‘fail to achieve’ compared to other races... and if this is true, what’s the reason?
jimboston wrote:I don’t recognize your right to give me an F.
Too bad, so sad.. You get an F, for not following the rules of the mental exercise.
jimboston wrote:I saw both... just because I didn’t comment on them doesn’t mean I don’t find them funny or interesting.
jimboston wrote:Apparently I missed your attempts to “have fun with me”... no.
But you literally stated, earlier, that you missed these comments... Which is it?
jimboston wrote:That. ending was clearly a joke!
You're going to argue that authoritarian language is a "joke?" Where is the language change distinction from "serious" to "joking?"
jimboston wrote:This is where YOU start sounding preachy the way you’re making me sound.
Obviously it's not a direct quote but it is the general message behind your previous statement, saying your viewpoints are fact, when, in fact, they are just your unsubstantiated opinions.
jimboston wrote:I never used the word racism... I used the word bias. Systemic bias. Quite different than systemic racism
Ok, dude. Semantics, really? We both know we are talking about the same thing.
jimboston wrote:The bias is the FACT that statistically African Americans start out behind (White Americans), and for the aforementioned reasons they have fewer opportunities to advance... and this creates a cycle that perpetuates this divide. The divide is NOT created because there are innate differences between the races... the divide is a product of society and social interactions that has existed since African Americans were brought over as slaves.
And my argument is that the viewpoint of there being a bias that has always existed in the US is factually incorrect. The aforementioned reasons are instead perpetuated by the choices that people make as individuals. I've stated my argument and backing for why I think this to be the case in previous posts in my dialogue with mookie.
The most recent event that has happened in Atlanta is a perfect example of why I think the way I do (and I really do hate to use this example because it hits too close to home for me). You have someone who was already a convicted felon before the events that transpired on the night of his death. On the night he died, we have DUI, Resisting Arrest, Assaulting a Police Officer, Robbery (theft of the officer's taser), Fleeing the Scene of a Crime/Fleeing Police, and Use of a Deadly Weapon/Firearm on an Officer. Were any of these choices he made related to systemic bias/racism? Did the police officer use deadly force because he was a black man? Instead, he made those choices independently and acted as an individual to disobey the police and put his life and other lives in danger by being so reckless. Right now, there is rhetoric being pushed by some media outlets that this was an "unjustified" killing of a black man, which is completely untrue. That is why I cannot get behind the Black Lives Matter movement. Apparently, members (or more accurately described, rioters) of that movement burnt down the Wendy's where the altercation took place the day after it was made public. Wendy's had nothing to do with what happened. Some members of the movement either don't want to see the truth of what happened in Atlanta or willfully lie about the truth, further trying pushing the narrative that all black men killed by police are unjustifiably murdered, which is completely FALSE.
You may not agree with any of the standpoints in this video, but The Officer Tatum is a former police officer and explains the reasoning behind why what happened, happened. I think it's a good explanation of what happened.
jimboston wrote:i’m probably not explaining my thoughts well... I’m using shorthand... maybe that’s the problem. Though I think you can’t argue with the fact that African Americans statistically ‘fail to achieve’ compared to other races... and if this is true, what’s the reason?
'Fail to achieve' based on what metrics? Financially? Socially? Culturally? I don't agree with your statement at all. There are a lot of black people who are very wealthy in the United states. Do I really need to research an extensive list of names? Did you even read my post on how millionaires become millionaires? This is the problem I have with blanket statements that you present as absolute fact. You don't give any context as to what you are trying to say.
jimboston wrote:I never used the word racism... I used the word bias. Systemic bias. Quite different than systemic racism
Ok, dude. Semantics, really? We both know we are talking about the same thing.
Racism and bias are very different.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
jimboston wrote:The bias is the FACT that statistically African Americans start out behind (White Americans), and for the aforementioned reasons they have fewer opportunities to advance... and this creates a cycle that perpetuates this divide. The divide is NOT created because there are innate differences between the races... the divide is a product of society and social interactions that has existed since African Americans were brought over as slaves.
And my argument is that the viewpoint of there being a bias that has always existed in the US is factually incorrect. The aforementioned reasons are instead perpetuated by the choices that people make as individuals. I've stated my argument and backing for why I think this to be the case in previous posts in my dialogue with mookie.
The choices you talk about are LIMITED. People of color born into lower-income/working class situations just DON’T HAVE the same opportunities and choices we (i.e. white) people have. This is PARTIALLY due to poverty (and related things like education), and partially due to their color and discrimination and bias they deal with throughout their life.
Jdsizzleslice wrote: The most recent event that has happened in Atlanta is a perfect example of why I think the way I do (and I really do hate to use this example because it hits too close to home for me). You have someone who was already a convicted felon before the events that transpired on the night of his death. On the night he died, we have DUI, Resisting Arrest, Assaulting a Police Officer, Robbery (theft of the officer's taser), Fleeing the Scene of a Crime/Fleeing Police, and Use of a Deadly Weapon/Firearm on an Officer. Were any of these choices he made related to systemic bias/racism? Did the police officer use deadly force because he was a black man? Instead, he made those choices independently and acted as an individual to disobey the police and put his life and other lives in danger by being so reckless. Right now, there is rhetoric being pushed by some media outlets that this was an "unjustified" killing of a black man, which is completely untrue.
I agree the Atlanta situation is not as cut-and-dry as the situation in Milwaukee.
You can read my thoughts on that in another thread.
I don’t think deadly force was required... but I don’t like people “monday-morning-quarterbacking” split second decisions made by police out in the field when they’re safe and sound behind their TV’s.
Jdsizzleslice wrote: That is why I cannot get behind the Black Lives Matter movement. Apparently, members (or more accurately described, rioters) of that movement burnt down the Wendy's where the altercation took place the day after it was made public. Wendy's had nothing to do with what happened. Some members of the movement either don't want to see the truth of what happened in Atlanta or willfully lie about the truth, further trying pushing the narrative that all black men killed by police are unjustifiably murdered, which is completely FALSE.
I don’t know if the BLM “movement” was responsible for the arson or not.
I agree their a big difference between a peaceful protestor and a rioter.
I think the protestors should step up and control the rioters... or when they see their protests are being taken over by rioters they should go home.
Course, I also understand the nature of masses of people and have experienced how things can escalate quickly in riot-like situations.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
jimboston wrote:i’m probably not explaining my thoughts well... I’m using shorthand... maybe that’s the problem. Though I think you can’t argue with the fact that African Americans statistically ‘fail to achieve’ compared to other races... and if this is true, what’s the reason?
'Fail to achieve' based on what metrics? Financially? Socially? Culturally? I don't agree with your statement at all. There are a lot of black people who are very wealthy in the United states. Do I really need to research an extensive list of names? Did you even read my post on how millionaires become millionaires? This is the problem I have with blanket statements that you present as absolute fact. You don't give any context as to what you are trying to say.
The term “Millionaires” is meaningless. A person can be a “Millionaire” and not even be in Top 10% Net Worth.
Yes... lots of Black Americans “achieve” and lots of White Americans “fail”. The FACT is that STATISTICALLY Black Americans have a lower probability of raising their status as compared to White Americans.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:Obi-Wan Kenobi: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
jimboston wrote:The choices you talk about are LIMITED. People of color born into lower-income/working class situations just DON’T HAVE the same opportunities and choices we (i.e. white) people have. This is PARTIALLY due to poverty (and related things like education), and partially due to their color and discrimination and bias they deal with throughout their life.
What you are advocating for is equality, which we both know is something that doesn't and can't exist. People are born into all different kinds of situations, so someone's start in life may not be equal. Equality is based on circumstance/environment, but also choices. An individual who makes better choices will not have an equal outcome if someone else makes a different choice. Equality is regardless of skin color.
But here in the US, we have equal opportunity for all. From the poor to the rich, every person has the same chance and opportunity to make their life the best that they want it to be. Anyone can start a business, anyone can go to college or trade school, anyone can be an entrepreneur, anyone can be an athlete, etc. The list goes on. Equal opportunity is also not based off skin color.
It really comes down to how much hard work and determination you put in to finding your right path in life. My personal example is that I am an engineer. Engineering is not an easy subject to study, nor is it an easy profession. Engineering school is extremely difficult, and that's why a majority of first-year engineering majors change their major after the first year. The grind is definitely real for engineering school. It also takes hard work to understand the complexity of how a design works in the workforce, how to then build that item, manufacture that item, distribute that item, etc. (speaking in terms of designing a product). Engineering doesn't care about your skin color, your gender/sex, or your wealth. Engineering only cares about your mental capacity to understand, your determination, and your intestinal fortitude (or grit as we call it here in the South). If you cannot do the job and be a problem solver, then you will be replaced by someone who can do that job well. Engineering is not a mindset based on socioeconomic, but instead your mental state. You can apply similar metrics to other professions, and I am only speaking from my personal experience. The point I'm trying to make is that everyone has the opportunity to succeed in the US, but it is up to them as to what choices they will make in order to succeed.
jimboston wrote:I don’t know if the BLM “movement” was responsible for the arson or not.
I agree their a big difference between a peaceful protestor and a rioter.
I think the protestors should step up and control the rioters... or when they see their protests are being taken over by rioters they should go home.
Course, I also understand the nature of masses of people and have experienced how things can escalate quickly in riot-like situations.
There have been a few peaceful protests but mainly what we are seeing in the MSM is rioting that is either done by members of the BLM protest or a BLM protest that was hijacked by rioters. Either way, we don't really see a condemnation of the rioting in the MSM.
jimboston wrote:The term “Millionaires” is meaningless. A person can be a “Millionaire” and not even be in Top 10% Net Worth.
The term millionaire is not meaningless. Becoming a millionaire puts you in a different class. So I apologize I didn't just come right out of the gate and say "upper class" but for real I would have figured you would have been smart enough to see what argument I was making, lol.
mookiemcgee wrote:
jimboston wrote:The FACT is that STATISTICALLY Black Americans have a lower probability of raising their status as compared to White Americans.
Again, statistics like this don't show a causality relationship, only a correlation.
jimboston wrote:The choices you talk about are LIMITED. People of color born into lower-income/working class situations just DON’T HAVE the same opportunities and choices we (i.e. white) people have. This is PARTIALLY due to poverty (and related things like education), and partially due to their color and discrimination and bias they deal with throughout their life.
What you are advocating for is equality, which we both know is something that doesn't and can't exist. People are born into all different kinds of situations, so someone's start in life may not be equal. Equality is based on circumstance/environment, but also choices. An individual who makes better choices will not have an equal outcome if someone else makes a different choice. Equality is regardless of skin color.
But here in the US, we have equal opportunity for all. From the poor to the rich, every person has the same chance and opportunity to make their life the best that they want it to be. Anyone can start a business, anyone can go to college or trade school, anyone can be an entrepreneur, anyone can be an athlete, etc. The list goes on. Equal opportunity is also not based off skin color.
It really comes down to how much hard work and determination you put in to finding your right path in life. My personal example is that I am an engineer. Engineering is not an easy subject to study, nor is it an easy profession. Engineering school is extremely difficult, and that's why a majority of first-year engineering majors change their major after the first year. The grind is definitely real for engineering school. It also takes hard work to understand the complexity of how a design works in the workforce, how to then build that item, manufacture that item, distribute that item, etc. (speaking in terms of designing a product). Engineering doesn't care about your skin color, your gender/sex, or your wealth. Engineering only cares about your mental capacity to understand, your determination, and your intestinal fortitude (or grit as we call it here in the South). If you cannot do the job and be a problem solver, then you will be replaced by someone who can do that job well. Engineering is not a mindset based on socioeconomic, but instead your mental state. You can apply similar metrics to other professions, and I am only speaking from my personal experience. The point I'm trying to make is that everyone has the opportunity to succeed in the US, but it is up to them as to what choices they will make in order to succeed.
I’m NOT advocating for equality in the sense you describe.
I’m point out the fact that outcomes are so obviously not-equal... and I don’t think you can ever make all outcomes “equal”. However, I believe the disparity is so big, and has been sustained for so many generations, and that it’s destined to continue to be. like this going forward. I further believe that there are many factors that can explain the size of the disparity in “success” between Black and White people in the US...and that one BIG factor is the fact that there is underlying systemic bias. Yes, poverty is a factor (and also a cause)... and that should be addressed as well. Yes, individual decisions and hard work are definitely factors.
I DON’T advocate handouts of expansion of the welfare state. I have seen how these things demoralize people up close. I don’t think that’s a path to a solution. Although I’m no longer Christian, I like the motto “Teach a Man to Fish”. Keeping with that analogy, “White America” has taken all the best fishing spots and doesn’t wanna share with Black America. On a micro scale, that doesn’t feel wrong... you’re gonna hire your friend’s son, you’re gonna give that other opportunity to. your niece, etc. On a macro scale these things add up and make the disparity in “outcomes” larger.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
jimboston wrote:I don’t know if the BLM “movement” was responsible for the arson or not.
I agree their a big difference between a peaceful protestor and a rioter.
I think the protestors should step up and control the rioters... or when they see their protests are being taken over by rioters they should go home.
Course, I also understand the nature of masses of people and have experienced how things can escalate quickly in riot-like situations.
There have been a few peaceful protests but mainly what we are seeing in the MSM is rioting that is either done by members of the BLM protest or a BLM protest that was hijacked by rioters. Either way, we don't really see a condemnation of the rioting in the MSM.
There have been some small scale examples I’ve seen on the news... and things have since “calmed down”, but in general I agree. The leaders of the regular protest groups must be more active in condemning violence and property destruction.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
jimboston wrote:The term “Millionaires” is meaningless. A person can be a “Millionaire” and not even be in Top 10% Net Worth.
The term millionaire is not meaningless. Becoming a millionaire puts you in a different class. So I apologize I didn't just come right out of the gate and say "upper class" but for real I would have figured you would have been smart enough to see what argument I was making, lol.
In general people are not raising up... this is true of all colors.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
jimboston wrote:The FACT is that STATISTICALLY Black Americans have a lower probability of raising their status as compared to White Americans.
Again, statistics like this don't show a causality relationship, only a correlation.
jimboston wrote:I’m NOT advocating for equality in the sense you describe.
I’m point out the fact that outcomes are so obviously not-equal... and I don’t think you can ever make all outcomes “equal”. However, I believe the disparity is so big, and has been sustained for so many generations, and that it’s destined to continue to be. like this going forward. I further believe that there are many factors that can explain the size of the disparity in “success” between Black and White people in the US...and that one BIG factor is the fact that there is underlying systemic bias. Yes, poverty is a factor (and also a cause)... and that should be addressed as well. Yes, individual decisions and hard work are definitely factors.
I DON’T advocate handouts of expansion of the welfare state. I have seen how these things demoralize people up close. I don’t think that’s a path to a solution. Although I’m no longer Christian, I like the motto “Teach a Man to Fish”. Keeping with that analogy, “White America” has taken all the best fishing spots and doesn’t wanna share with Black America. On a micro scale, that doesn’t feel wrong... you’re gonna hire your friend’s son, you’re gonna give that other opportunity to. your niece, etc. On a macro scale these things add up and make the disparity in “outcomes” larger.
You are advocating for equality in the sense that I describe. Again you haven't provided an argument as to why systemic bias exists.
jimboston wrote:In general people are not raising up... this is true of all colors.
Factually Incorrect.
jimboston wrote:I’ve explained the causality.
Incorrect. You have explained very little in this topic.
Consider this my last post to you until you actually decide to have an exchange of ideas and decide to back up your points. Pulling something out of the ether and claiming it must be 100% fact is not the way to debate or understand.
jimboston wrote: The FACT is that STATISTICALLY Black Americans have a lower probability of raising their status as compared to White Americans.
Again, statistics like this don't show a causality relationship, only a correlation.
Right... and then if you read all my previous posts I explained the causality.
Circles
right circles, cus we already explained how you interpreting the results to your fancy takes away from you calling it 'facts' and just turns it into your opinion which you will never convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
jimboston wrote:Yes... my children always tell me my “dad jokes” aren’t funny. Sorry I’m not as “hip” as you guys.
OK BOOMER
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Dukasaur wrote: That was the night I broke into St. Mike's Cathedral and shat on the Archibishop's desk
I was reading an article from over a year ago about Trump moving the BLM headquarters out of Washington. Turns out it stands for Bureau of Land Management.
jimboston wrote:I’m sorry you people can’t follow logical arguments and feel the need to resort to insults.
It’s sad.
So does your post advocate killing republicans or black people? It’s unclear to my Boomer brain. Personally I don’t advocate killing people en masse from either group.
