(NO POLITICS) Please, Let's All Be Civil.

[Jdsizzleslice]

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Please, let's all be civil. Is that too much to ask?

I haven't made a post in the Off-Topic forums in a very long time. Mainly because it is filled with a bunch of hacks who promote only their agenda and don't want to have civil discourse with others and discuss different ideas. That aside, I really want to make an attempt here to have a topic where we can share our criticisms and concerns (especially with what is going on) and NOT bash each other over the head with a club like a bunch of prehistoric cavemen.

Can't we all come into unison and agree on a few things? I am American, and we have got some stuff going on right now in my country, but all of the following can and should be applied to whichever country you are from. I want to promote positive thinking and come together right now. Here is my list:

1. Racism is evil. Period.
Any person who sees another person from another ethnicity as subhuman, inferior, etc. because of the color of their skin is a racist. We should strive as a society to see past skin color and judge a person for who they really are on the inside. Racism should be condemned.

2. Rioting is different from protesting.
I am all for people being able to express the right to protest peacefully, even if I may personally not agree with the stance they are taking themselves. However, protests turn into riots when people are being killed and injured, property is being destroyed and stolen, and people's lives are being affected. Rioting is a criminal act. Rioting, looting, and arson should be condemned.

3. Police need better training.
I respect the police and their duty to their citizens. It's their job to protect and defend us, the citizens. However, I think we can all agree that the police need better training on what to do in tense situations. Maybe a lot of this could have been prevented if the proper response was given in situations. The police should strive to do a better job on how they respond in critical moments. Police officers who cannot do this do not need to be police officers.

4. We are all in this together.
We need to come together and be unified. A natural human tendency to do in times of crisis is to mentally separate yourself into groups with like-minded individuals and start to accuse the other side of wrongdoing. We need to move past this tendency as humans, and be unified on things that are clearly wrong. It doesn't matter what your politics are or what religion you believe in. We may not agree on everything, but that doesn't mean that we have to hate each other either.

Let's work together to become a better society by trying to better understand those who view things differently than us.

Jd

[Dukasaur]

All stuff that I could agree with. For that matter, all stuff that I think a great many people could agree with.

[mrswdk]

2. Rioting is different from protesting.

Correct.

The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall.

[saxitoxin]

However, I think we can all agree that the police need better training on what to do in tense situations.

I absolutely do not agree.

The training is just fine. The public's understanding of the role of police is what needs improvement.

Police aren't social workers. The police exist for no other purpose but to resolve situations with physical force when all other means have failed and when no other method is possible. They are the state's tool of last resort. When physical force is required it mush be absolute and overwhelming. Blood is not pleasant but spilling it is a basic requirement of having states and hospitals; of a civilization. If you can't deal with blood it's best not to watch police officers or heart surgeons at work.

If one's mind is too fragile to live on the imperfect Earth one finds oneself on, there are places one can move to in the Yukon, the interior of Alaska, parts of Africa, and the Amazon where there are no police and no physicians.

This is exactly what the Democrat rioters want - they want to abolish the police entirely so civilization descends into anarchy where the strong prey on the weak; where delicate little men like mrswdk get gang-raped daily with no 911 to call, where AoG's lunch can be taken from him with impunity. They have taken a small-time convicted criminal and child support absconder who earned a living as a paid thug - a run of the mill piece of human trash - and turned him into an icon and hero on par with Mother Theresa. They've cultivated worship of a person who only did one thing of note in his life - incompetently bumbling a stupidly simple crime and getting himself arrested for it. For them, up is down, black is white, right is wrong. They want to overturn and remake civilization. You can't come together or find common ground with these animals. They must be wiped out!

[mrswdk]

tbf I think they do at least appear to know that black is black.

[Jdsizzleslice]

I absolutely do not agree.

The training is just fine. The public's understanding of the role of police is what needs improvement.

Police aren't social workers. The police exist for no other purpose but to resolve situations with physical force when all other means have failed and when no other method is possible. They are the state's tool of last resort. When physical force is required it mush be absolute and overwhelming. Blood is not pleasant but spilling it is a basic requirement of having states and hospitals; of a civilization. If you can't deal with blood it's best not to watch police officers or heart surgeons at work.

If one's mind is too fragile to live on the imperfect Earth one finds oneself on, there are places one can move to in the Yukon, the interior of Alaska, parts of Africa, and the Amazon where there are no police and no physicians.

I'm not referring to physical training. I'm referring to training of how to correctly assess situations. The police's job is to protect the citizens of which it serves. A lot of the time this means using physical force, but not always. A lot of police officers do, in fact, make correct decisions, and I fully support police in general. It's those who make wrong choices that we need to learn from and help train future officers on how to correctly assess a situation. The most recent example of this (George Floyd) shows that the police officer did not use proper procedure when dealing with George. The officer had the power to detain to start his investigation but he did not follow the standard protocol for detaining the individual (i.e., knee was on neck, which is not standard). That's a mental thing. That may be something that an officer may do initially during a rush of emotion and adrenaline, and might possibly have their knee on a suspect's neck for a short period of time (say 30 seconds or a minute), but the officer left his knee on George's neck for over 8 minutes. This was the cause of death, I believe. I hope we can help better correct this for existing officers and futures ones that wish to join a police force, because I love the police and I want them to be the very best at their jobs: protecting myself, yourself, and the citizens of our great country.

This is exactly what the Democrat rioters want - they want to abolish the police entirely so civilization descends into anarchy where the strong prey on the weak; where delicate little men like mrswdk get gang-raped daily with no 911 to call, where AoG's lunch can be taken from him with impunity. They have taken a small-time convicted criminal and child support absconder who earned a living as a paid thug - a run of the mill piece of human trash - and turned him into an icon and hero on par with Mother Theresa. They've cultivated worship of a person who only did one thing of note in his life - incompetently bumbling a stupidly simple crime and getting himself arrested for it. For them, up is down, black is white, right is wrong. They want to overturn and remake civilization. You can't come together or find common ground with these animals. They must be wiped out!

Let's not bring politics into this. I have my political opinions, and I'm sure we will agree on a majority of them, but I'm purposely not involving them in this topic because politics is such a divisive topic, and this topic is meant to try to bring people closer together.

tbf I think they do at least appear to know that black is black.

Let's also not bring dumbass trolling into this topic.

[saxitoxin]

but the officer left his knee on George's neck for over 8 minutes

No great loss resulted. He should have to complete a four hour remedial training course.

[Dukasaur]

Police aren't social workers. The police exist for no other purpose but to resolve situations with physical force when all other means have failed and when no other method is possible. They are the state's tool of last resort. When physical force is required it mush be absolute and overwhelming. Blood is not pleasant but spilling it is a basic requirement of having states and hospitals; of a civilization. If you can't deal with blood it's best not to watch police officers or heart surgeons at work.

Always the excuse of thugs and dictators. "The people need discipline! I have no choice but to dish it out!" It's a a self-serving lie. If you look for excuses to use force, you will find them, but if you look for ways to avoid the use of force, you will find those too.

People will rise to what you expect of them. If you treat people like wild animals, they will respond in kind. If you treat people with respect and courtesy, they will almost always reciprocate. And yes, there are those tiny few who will not, and who will require the use of force. A truly tiny few. The vast majority of situations can be resolved without resorting to brutalizing and degrading people.

[saxitoxin]

A group of Democrats yelling "Justice for Floyd!" (referring to Democratic Party hero, the convicted convenience store robber and child support absconder George Floyd) tried to expand their campaign of chaos and looting outside the Democrat shitholes of LA, NYC, Chicago.

When they arrived in San Bernadino they were instantly met with overwhelming force of Red Hats (MAGA paramilitaries) who chased them out of town. Video -

https://twitter.com/Just_Shannah/status ... 7977373696

This proves that party-controlled troops can be effective and do what the police can't. During the last Civil War, Abraham Lincoln authorized the formation of the Wide Awake paramilitary wing of the Republican Party to root-out and destroy Democratic Party nests in the North. President Trump must authorize the Wide Awakes to rearm so that we can not only win the next one, but do so decisively.

[riskllama]

but the officer left his knee on George's neck for over 8 minutes

No great loss resulted. He should have to complete a four hour remedial training course.

fer realz, saxi...???

[saxitoxin]

but the officer left his knee on George's neck for over 8 minutes

No great loss resulted. He should have to complete a four hour remedial training course.

fer realz, saxi...???

He was a convicted armed robber and child support absconder who made a living beating up drunks at clubs. Do you think we're missing out on a cure for cancer he might have developed at some point?

"You are more reptile than man, George. So low and so flat that the foot of man is incapable of crushing you."

[riskllama]

but the officer left his knee on George's neck for over 8 minutes

No great loss resulted. He should have to complete a four hour remedial training course.

fer realz, saxi...???

He was a convicted armed robber and child support absconder who made a living beating up drunks at clubs. Do you think we're missing out on a cure for cancer he might have developed at some point?

lol, come on now...previous offences & passing a bum $20 aside, the guy surely did not deserve to be killed by police...

[Jdsizzleslice]

but the officer left his knee on George's neck for over 8 minutes

No great loss resulted. He should have to complete a four hour remedial training course.

fer realz, saxi...???

He was a convicted armed robber and child support absconder who made a living beating up drunks at clubs. Do you think we're missing out on a cure for cancer he might have developed at some point?

No great loss? He died man. C'mon, you're better than that. If an investigation found that he was breaking the law in any way, then he should have been charged with a crime, but nothing has been revealed yet suggesting that. The police officer was in the wrong for treating him like that while the individual was detained. Just because someone is convicted robber that served his time does not mean they have less of a right to live. The only people that deserve to die are capitol punishment offenders (the same principle can be applied to rapists with castration).

Police aren't social workers. The police exist for no other purpose but to resolve situations with physical force when all other means have failed and when no other method is possible. They are the state's tool of last resort. When physical force is required it mush be absolute and overwhelming. Blood is not pleasant but spilling it is a basic requirement of having states and hospitals; of a civilization. If you can't deal with blood it's best not to watch police officers or heart surgeons at work.

Always the excuse of thugs and dictators. "The people need discipline! I have no choice but to dish it out!" It's a a self-serving lie. If you look for excuses to use force, you will find them, but if you look for ways to avoid the use of force, you will find those too.

People will rise to what you expect of them. If you treat people like wild animals, they will respond in kind. If you treat people with respect and courtesy, they will almost always reciprocate. And yes, there are those tiny few who will not, and who will require the use of force. A truly tiny few. The vast majority of situations can be resolved without resorting to brutalizing and degrading people.

I somewhat agree. Treat others as you yourself want to be treated.

However, I would change people to rational people in your statements above. These rioters, looters, arsons, and criminals are the kind of people that will not reciprocate with respect. Their actions dictate that.

A group of Democrats yelling "Justice for Floyd!" (referring to Democratic Party hero, the convicted convenience store robber and child support absconder George Floyd) tried to expand their campaign of chaos and looting outside the Democrat shitholes of LA, NYC, Chicago.

When they arrived in San Bernadino they were instantly met with overwhelming force of Red Hats (MAGA paramilitaries) who chased them out of town. Video -

https://twitter.com/Just_Shannah/status ... 7977373696

This proves that party-controlled troops can be effective and do what the police can't. During the last Civil War, Abraham Lincoln authorized the formation of the Wide Awake paramilitary wing of the Republican Party to root-out and destroy Democratic Party nests in the North. President Trump must authorize the Wide Awakes to rearm so that we can not only win the next one, but do so decisively.

I've asked you before in this thread to stop posting political posts.

Please stop posting political posts. There are other threads for that. You are breaking the rules of this thread.

[saxitoxin]

but the officer left his knee on George's neck for over 8 minutes

No great loss resulted. He should have to complete a four hour remedial training course.

fer realz, saxi...???

He was a convicted armed robber and child support absconder who made a living beating up drunks at clubs. Do you think we're missing out on a cure for cancer he might have developed at some point?

lol, come on now...previous offences & passing a bum $20 aside, the guy surely did not deserve to be killed by police...

You mean killed by all the drugs and booze the little angel had coursing through his veins combined with a lifetime of hard living marked by stints in prison and episodes of violent crime. The Democrats picked their heroic martyr and he ain't exactly Jerzy Popieluszko.

That autopsy found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation," according to the document, which suggests Floyd’s existing health conditions – coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease – and any "potential intoxicants in his system" contributed to his death.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 307185002/

[saxitoxin]

Please stop posting political posts. There are other threads for that. You are breaking the rules of this thread.

Fine. Mrswdk and me are going back to the other thread.

C'mon, mrs -

[Jdsizzleslice]

You mean killed by all the drugs and booze the little angel had coursing through his veins combined with a lifetime of hard living marked by stints in prison and episodes of violent crime. The Democrats picked their heroic martyr and he ain't exactly Jerzy Popieluszko.

That autopsy found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation," according to the document, which suggests Floyd’s existing health conditions – coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease – and any "potential intoxicants in his system" contributed to his death.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 307185002/

That quote is based off a preliminary autopsy.

The County Coroner said that he died of, "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression."

The Independent Pathologist said that he died of, "mechanical asphyxiation."

So he clearly died due to a lack of oxygen. I understand he already had pre-existing conditions, which didn't help him out. Can we both agree that 8 minutes is too long to deprive someone of oxygen for?

[riskllama]

agreed.

[HitRed]

I do not see the difference like man does, like in the color of skin. I am the creator of all mankind, I see no difference. Man has made that an issue where there is no issue with me.

Excerpt from March 10, 20

[riskllama]

how about no religion either, Jd?

[saxitoxin]

The Independent Pathologist said that he died of, "mechanical asphyxiation."

read - the private sector pathologist selected and paid for by George Floyd's family

(As opposed to the Medical Examiner of Hennepin County who conducts all death investigations and is the only person legally authorized under law to make a legal and binding death determination. For all the Democrat bellowing about the Rule of Law, they sure change their tune fast once the way the law rules doesn't suit them anymore.)

Can we both agree that 8 minutes is too long to deprive someone of oxygen for?

Nope.

The sole purpose of the police is to inflict violence on someone until they comply with the law. They enter the picture when all other efforts - polite requests, elementary school civics classes, street signs, social workers, fines - have failed.

Resisting Arrest is illegal. The police are authorized by law to apply violence against a person until they stop committing a crime (Resisting Arrest). If a person commits a crime for eight minutes, they can be subject to eight minutes of violence. Once they stop committing the crime, the violence is no longer legal. That's how every government in the world works. The only question is if George Floyd resisted continuously for eight minutes or if, at some point, he began complying and the officer was aware of compliance. That's what a trial in a court, as opposed to a video posted to Twitter, will figure out.

But the mere fact he said "I can't breathe" is utterly irrelevant. A hospital ship can't be attacked in war. But if a hospital ship is shooting randomly at passing vessels it is no longer a hospital ship despite how many Red Crosses it has painted on its hull or how many patients are aboard. That ship is fair game. Simply yelling "I'm not resisting!" while you're jerking and struggling is not a get out of jail free card.

[saxitoxin]

how about no religion either, Jd?

how about no llama

[HitRed]

God is against racism and llama wants to ban Him?

[riskllama]

how about no religion either, Jd?

how about no llama

hey, i'm trying to follow the rules of the thread. if you can't...*points over there*

[saxitoxin]

how about no religion either, Jd?

how about no llama

hey, i'm trying to follow the rules of the thread. if you can't...*points over there*

llama trying to be the teacher's pet

you better plan on staying in the classroom at recess