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[jimboston]

Duk. I’m not minimizing your situation or trying to judge.

the going back to your parents thing... that’s your call.
Looking at it like a physics question, where you start problems with statements like “In a frictionless vacuum”...

In the vacuum of life if the decision is “Go crawl back to your abusive father or die in a snow bank on the street.” I was simply stating that in the moment (based on your comments) it was essentially pride (and maybe fear or regret) that made you choose the snowball.

That wasn’t your only option... you found the Salvation Army Shelter instead. Fine.

Regarding all those situations you say people don’t “choose”... you’re right to a degree. People don’t “choose” to have a wife or business partner cheat on them. They do however choose the wife or business partner in the first place. So I would argue that this TV guy made a BAD CHOICE in selecting his wife, and another BAD CHOICE in selecting his business partner. Things like that can (possibly) come out of left-field and blind-side a guy... but more likely there were signs the guy completely missed.

I’ve acknowledged that however there are things like accidents, fire, being born into a bad situation, etc. that are beyond one’s control.... and that these can knock a person down.

So I again to back to my earlier post....

uote="jimboston"]I stand by my statement. Excepting children, it takes a series of bad decisions over a lifetime to be homeless.

I’m not talking about a guy (or gal) sleeping in his/her car for a night or two.

I’m not talking about a woman fleeing with her kids from an abusive guy and living in a shelter for a few months.

I’m talking about sustained and/or repeated homelessness. A guy (or gal) on the streets, who even with the help of government support systems can’ t get himself (herself) into a long-term sustainable situation.

(I probably should add another exception for mental health issues... but the line between mental health and drug abuse is often a thin one and it’s often unclear what came first.)[/quote]

“sustained and/or repeated homelessness”

You fell down... you got help up... then you started working hard and mostly made good decisions... and now you’re not homeless.
I again state... you’re proving my point.

[KoolBak]

Should have married someone that wouldn't cheat! Damn....forgot to ask that question when we were dating. LMFAO. Dork.

As to picking a bad person to deal with in business. Here's one.

I bought my company from my neighbor. Before that, I was a commercial lender, CPA and VP at a local national bank. I managed a 200 million dollar portfolio. I know how to analyze a business and it's owners. This was before automated, box checking lending, when we actually had to think, work, and be responsible for lending out YOUR money. My dad and brother helped me research and make this decision. Dad a $500 an hour CPA and partner Ina big 5 firm. Also CEO of a small local bank and on multiple boards. Brother CEO of a large identity safeguard biz, also on many boards

I knew my neighbor intimately for 10 years before this. I helped him as a friend design and patent the product. I helped him with the financial side and taxes

He got sick (terminal). We were having our first child. Made the call.

Turns out he fucked me hard in the ass. Knew several situations coming up that fucked this business. Very convenient he got the terminal illness...timed it just right. Thankfully, it was drawn out and painful....this guy was Satan and his wife was worse.

We had NO clue. His his real nature for 10 years. Buffaloed 3 savvy business men. Lied like a rug. Nothing in hindsight could have brought this to light....nothing.

I spent 100% of my money, including my retirement, to defend myself. My alternative was to lose the business AND my home AND my shitty vacation property.

I prevailed in that he didn't win, but it cost a LOT.

25 years later I've made this biz my life, my identity and something I am proud of even if I'm not rich. I could have easily lost everything.

And no one in this world could have figured he was a bad business partner. I'm not homeless but I'm a hell of a lot worse off FINANCIALLY. I am rich beyond measure as Ive had the luxury of working from home and being Mr Mom and being there to raise my sons 100% of the time, and they have gtrown into beautiful, hard working, honest young men that I am SO proud of. Anyway....

Now lecture me on how I went wrong. And DO NOT presume to say "you shouldn't have bought the business", or we WILL have words. This is a 30 year story crammed into a few useless paragraphs....

[KoolBak]

PS...this is where NoPat would lecture me about posting personal shit and end with a threat.

Oh wait....he already did that. And he's not here

Also really dumb to insinuate you're gonna go by someones house that you know is extremely well armed and willing.......lol

[2dimes]

Ok I want the name and address of the restaurant in New York but really I'd be there for Lady Liberty, Ellis Island, museums and pizza.

Threatened you? That's comedy.

[jimboston]

Should have married someone that wouldn't cheat! Damn....forgot to ask that question when we were dating. LMFAO. Dork.

As to picking a bad person to deal with in business. Here's one.

I bought my company from my neighbor. Before that, I was a commercial lender, CPA and VP at a local national bank. I managed a 200 million dollar portfolio. I know how to analyze a business and it's owners. This was before automated, box checking lending, when we actually had to think, work, and be responsible for lending out YOUR money. My dad and brother helped me research and make this decision. Dad a $500 an hour CPA and partner Ina big 5 firm. Also CEO of a small local bank and on multiple boards. Brother CEO of a large identity safeguard biz, also on many boards

I knew my neighbor intimately for 10 years before this. I helped him as a friend design and patent the product. I helped him with the financial side and taxes

He got sick (terminal). We were having our first child. Made the call.

Turns out he fucked me hard in the ass. Knew several situations coming up that fucked this business. Very convenient he got the terminal illness...timed it just right. Thankfully, it was drawn out and painful....this guy was Satan and his wife was worse.

We had NO clue. His his real nature for 10 years. Buffaloed 3 savvy business men. Lied like a rug. Nothing in hindsight could have brought this to light....nothing.

I spent 100% of my money, including my retirement, to defend myself. My alternative was to lose the business AND my home AND my shitty vacation property.

I prevailed in that he didn't win, but it cost a LOT.

25 years later I've made this biz my life, my identity and something I am proud of even if I'm not rich. I could have easily lost everything.

And no one in this world could have figured he was a bad business partner. I'm not homeless but I'm a hell of a lot worse off FINANCIALLY. I am rich beyond measure as Ive had the luxury of working from home and being Mr Mom and being there to raise my sons 100% of the time, and they have gtrown into beautiful, hard working, honest young men that I am SO proud of. Anyway....

Now lecture me on how I went wrong. And DO NOT presume to say "you shouldn't have bought the business", or we WILL have words. This is a 30 year story crammed into a few useless paragraphs....

You’re not homeless are you?

Even had you lost the lawsuit... would you have been homeless?

Even had you lost everything, including your home... would you have been homeless for sustained/repeated period?

I’m not saying there’s no such thing as bad luck.
I’m not saying people don’t experience setbacks.

My comment was very specific and nothing you have said proves me wrong.

BTW...
... marrying a woman who ultimately cheats on you is (in retrospect) a bad decision.
... going into business with a guy who turns out to be a liar/cheat is (in retrospect) a bad decision.

I never said people have ultimate vision and can see every evil.
That doesn’t change the fact that those were/are bad decisions.

You can make one or two or ten bad decisions and bounce back.
It’s unlikely someone has that kinda bad luck repeatedly over the course of a life.

None of this refutes my statement.

[jimboston]

PS...this is where NoPat would lecture me about posting personal shit and end with a threat.

Oh wait....he already did that. And he's not here

Also really dumb to insinuate you're gonna go by someones house that you know is extremely well armed and willing.......lol

I’m not Nomad and I wouldn’t threaten someone with physical violence because they disagree with me.

I understand most everyone here seems to be misinterpreting me, and in that you all may see similarities to Nomad.

That’s not on me.

[jonesthecurl]

Not to be too judgemental myself, but it seems to me that you're deciding things are bad decisions based on the outcome. While that's useful as a classification, it doesn't help while you're making the decision.

[KoolBak]

For gods sake Boston. Get over yourself. That NP comment was meant to be humorous. Not everyones out to get you

My POINT, zeke, was that choosing a bad business partner is not a simple matter of NOT doing your homework. Or making a flawed decision. Shit happens. Just like in relationships. You paint a black and white world that doesnt exist.

Also...I am not trying to say YOURE WRONG. IM RIGHT. Actually dont give a squirt of piss about your opinion. Just trying to conversate and give an example of a gray area.

Done arguing with you....find someone else.

[mrswdk]

if the decision is “Go crawl back to your abusive father or die in a snow bank on the street.” I was simply stating that in the moment (based on your comments) it was essentially pride (and maybe fear or regret) that made you choose the snowball.

jfc, the stones on this jim guy

People don’t “choose” to have a wife or business partner cheat on them. They do however choose the wife or business partner in the first place. So I would argue that this TV guy made a BAD CHOICE in selecting his wife, and another BAD CHOICE in selecting his business partner. Things like that can (possibly) come out of left-field and blind-side a guy... but more likely there were signs the guy completely missed.

This sounds exactly like WMW declaring that women raped by Harvey Weinstein were '25% to blame' for putting themselves in the position to get raped.

[jimboston]

Not to be too judgemental myself, but it seems to me that you're deciding things are bad decisions based on the outcome. While that's useful as a classification, it doesn't help while you're making the decision.

I realize people don’t have a crystal ball.

Everyone makes a few bad definitions their life... it happens.

Sometimes you see later why/how it was bad and you learn. Sometimes you may not see how you could’ve made any other decision based on the known facts at the time. It doesn’t make it any less a bad decision.

... but did you ever know some who always seems to make bad decisions? Who’s always “picking the wrong horse”?
That could be just bad luck... but I feel it’s more likely the decision maker in those cases. No?

Oh... and BTW... it’s moot to the point. of my statement.

[jimboston]

For gods sake Boston. Get over yourself. That NP comment was meant to be humorous. Not everyones out to get you

I thought my response was humorous. No?

My POINT, zeke, was that choosing a bad business partner is not a simple matter of NOT doing your homework. Or making a flawed decision. Shit happens. Just like in relationships. You paint a black and white world that doesnt exist.

Zeke?

I agree. Not everyone is prefect. Also people change. Also people lie. So I agree. Shit happens.

Nor am I judging your decision at the time... be at the time it seemed to make sense.

That said... if someone asked you (prior to this thread)... “Tell me about the five worst decisions you ever made.”
I’m willing to bet that going into business with that scumbag would likely make the list. No?

Also...I am not trying to say YOURE WRONG. IM RIGHT. Actually dont give a squirt of piss about your opinion. Just trying to conversate and give an example of a gray area.

My apologies here... as several people attacked me/my statement. So I was kinda in “defense mode”

Done arguing with you....find someone else.

I’m just replying.

[jimboston]

People don’t “choose” to have a wife or business partner cheat on them. They do however choose the wife or business partner in the first place. So I would argue that this TV guy made a BAD CHOICE in selecting his wife, and another BAD CHOICE in selecting his business partner. Things like that can (possibly) come out of left-field and blind-side a guy... but more likely there were signs the guy completely missed.

This sounds exactly like WMW declaring that women raped by Harvey Weinstein were '25% to blame' for putting themselves in the position to get raped.

No. I disagree. I’m not assessing blame.

The guy whose wife cheated on him is the victim of a cheater.
The wife is to blame.
(At least based on the info we have assuming he didn’t cheat on her previously or something.)

The point I am saying is.... that guy... later... will HIMSELF admit... “Marrying that bitch was one of the worst decisions of my life.”

Do you agree?

In your example. The victim of an assault or rape by Harvey (or any other predator) is still 100% the victim.

... but that person will likely say to themselves later “I should’ve...”
In SOME cases (some not all) yes, the person may have put themselves in a situation where they were made more vulnerable to assault.
That doesn’t shift the blame... but it is true.

[Dukasaur]

Yes. To that limited extent, agree.

[mrswdk]

People don’t “choose” to have a wife or business partner cheat on them. They do however choose the wife or business partner in the first place. So I would argue that this TV guy made a BAD CHOICE in selecting his wife, and another BAD CHOICE in selecting his business partner. Things like that can (possibly) come out of left-field and blind-side a guy... but more likely there were signs the guy completely missed.

This sounds exactly like WMW declaring that women raped by Harvey Weinstein were '25% to blame' for putting themselves in the position to get raped.

No. I disagree. I’m not assessing blame.

The guy whose wife cheated on him is the victim of a cheater.
The wife is to blame.
(At least based on the info we have assuming he didn’t cheat on her previously or something.)

The point I am saying is.... that guy... later... will HIMSELF admit... “Marrying that bitch was one of the worst decisions of my life.”

Do you agree?

In your example. The victim of an assault or rape by Harvey (or any other predator) is still 100% the victim.

... but that person will likely say to themselves later “I should’ve...”
In SOME cases (some not all) yes, the person may have put themselves in a situation where they were made more vulnerable to assault.
That doesn’t shift the blame... but it is true.

Like jones said, hindsight is a wonderful thing but someone who gets involved with people who turn out to be bad for them obviously didn't know what they were getting into at the time.

[jimboston]

Like jones said, hindsight is a wonderful thing but someone who gets involved with people who turn out to be bad for them obviously didn't know what they were getting into at the time.

Like I said, multiple times, it doesn’t matter.

That’s ONE decision.
That’s not going to be enough to make someone homeless.
(Not in the sustained / repeated condition or manner as I described.)

You’re wife cheating on you doesn’t make you homeless.
You have to move out and may sleep in your car for a few nights... but that alone isn’t enough to make you homeless.

Ditto with getting screwed by a business partner.

Ditto with losing everything in the stock market.

Ditto with getting flayed off from a job.

Please read what I wrote before you tell me I’m wrong.

[mrswdk]

So you make a statement, ask if I agree with it, and then when I tell you I disagree you say it's irrelevant anyway.

[KoolBak]

Keep trying Mr.....we believe in you!

[mrswdk]

It's like cleaning out the fricking Augean stables.

[jimboston]

So you make a statement, ask if I agree with it, and then when I tell you I disagree you say it's irrelevant anyway.

GFY

I’m not going to engage with you when you try to manipulate my words.

Don’t play dumb.

[jimboston]

Keep trying Mr.....we believe in you!

To whom is this addressed.

[mrswdk]

So you make a statement, ask if I agree with it, and then when I tell you I disagree you say it's irrelevant anyway.

GFY

I’m not going to engage with you when you try to manipulate my words.

Don’t play dumb.

Accuses people of putting words in his mouth after they quote him verbatim. Classic jim

[jimboston]

So you make a statement, ask if I agree with it, and then when I tell you I disagree you say it's irrelevant anyway.

GFY

I’m not going to engage with you when you try to manipulate my words.

Don’t play dumb.

Accuses people of putting words in his mouth after they quote him verbatim. Classic jim

At NO POINT did you quote me verbatim.

Every once in awhile you post something intelligent or funny and I start to believe you ain’t such a bad guy.
Then you come back with a reply like that.

You, and others, are giving me one-off examples of how some “bad luck” situation “proves” I’m wrong.

My retort is/has been that...

1) ... most of what people say is “bad luck” is really just a bad decision in retrospect.
2) ... I understand it’s not always evident at the time the decision was made it wasn’t a bad one.... but that doesn’t make it any less of a bad decision.
3) ... neither 1 or 2 even matter because no example has been provided (except maybe the veteran/drug taking one) where that issue caused a person to be homeless in a sustained/repeated manner.

Again... for the last time... I will say that I do not mean someone who loses his/her regular living space for week or even a few months, and has to crash on someone’s couch, or in a shelter, for a short period of time till he/she can recover. I have been clear about this since I started talking in this thread... and all you have to do is go back to the first page and read what I wrote.

My statement stands.

GFY

[mrswdk]

So you make a statement, ask if I agree with it, and then when I tell you I disagree you say it's irrelevant anyway.

GFY

I’m not going to engage with you when you try to manipulate my words.

Don’t play dumb.

Accuses people of putting words in his mouth after they quote him verbatim. Classic jim

At NO POINT did you quote me verbatim.

Bro I literally copied your entire post verbatim then replied to it:

posting.php?mode=quote&f=8&p=5146361#pr5146228

[jimboston]

Give it up.

Stop playing dumb.

I’m done with you unless you add something new.

[mrswdk]

Go on, call me a troll. I know you want to.