the Shooting Range

[Dukasaur]

honestly I do not think a Texas gun range would break Federal Law...

Because nobody breaks laws in Texas? Or just federal laws? Or gun range owners are uniquely law-abiding?

I mean, here in Ontario it's illegal to sell beer to a 16-year old, but I always found somebody to serve me when I was 16.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. That gun range owners are inherently more law-abiding than bartenders? Or that Texans are inherently more law abiding than Ontarians?

i guess Mr. Know-it-all needs US Law preached to him like he is ignorant of it..

- Selling alcohol to a minor is a misdemeanor offense, and are state laws.. Consequences for selling alcohol to a minor can vary depending on state law. They typically include some sort of fine, as well as a possible citation

- Selling a handgun or any type of a firearm that is other than a shotgun or rifle to A persons less than 21 years of age is a Federal Felony Offense. A typical conviction is punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment.


does Mr. Ducky understand the difference between a Local Misdemeanor & a Federal Felony..?

Yes.

Not sure when you started changing the narrative to talking about selling the gun. Hitred was just talking about going to a range to play around with one.

I tried to google if gun ranges do background checks if you just want to shoot a gun. The few links I found said 'no', but they didn't seem authoritative enough to link.

[2dimes]

i've never had any fascination for fire arms. really.

i can kill people? i can kill people with my thought, why would i need guns?

also, my dick is huge, like 13 inches.

Shoot, no wonder you're such a crab, can't get a boner...

[NomadPatriot]

honestly I do not think a Texas gun range would break Federal Law...

Because nobody breaks laws in Texas? Or just federal laws? Or gun range owners are uniquely law-abiding?

I mean, here in Ontario it's illegal to sell beer to a 16-year old, but I always found somebody to serve me when I was 16.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. That gun range owners are inherently more law-abiding than bartenders? Or that Texans are inherently more law abiding than Ontarians?

i guess Mr. Know-it-all needs US Law preached to him like he is ignorant of it..

- Selling alcohol to a minor is a misdemeanor offense, and are state laws.. Consequences for selling alcohol to a minor can vary depending on state law. They typically include some sort of fine, as well as a possible citation

- Selling a handgun or any type of a firearm that is other than a shotgun or rifle to A persons less than 21 years of age is a Federal Felony Offense. A typical conviction is punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment.


does Mr. Ducky understand the difference between a Local Misdemeanor & a Federal Felony..?

Yes.

Not sure when you started changing the narrative to talking about selling the gun. Hitred was just talking about going to a range to play around with one.

I tried to google if gun ranges do background checks if you just want to shoot a gun. The few links I found said 'no', but they didn't seem authoritative enough to link.

Federal law states you must be 21 to purchase, sell, rent or loan a handgun or ammunition.

--> RENT

he said he paid to rent it to shoot it on the range, renting one is under the same federal law as selling one...

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I walked into the shop and I told the owner I wanted to use a Glock 9mm which was popular with a lot of government agencies and police departments at the time. I paid, then he handed me the gun and a box of ammo.

HitRed

[NomadPatriot]

I don’t recall seeing HR saying he was going to purchase the Glock, NP - pay the f*ck attention before going off on one of your tangents, else you will look like an idiot.

I walked into the shop and I told the owner I wanted to use a Glock 9mm which was popular with a lot of government agencies and police departments at the time. I paid, then he handed me the gun and a box of ammo.

HitRed

… walked into shop, asked for Glock 9mm.. paid... got handed Glock 9mm & bullets immediately


renting a gun is just selling it for a specified amount of time.. and falls under the same federal law

[2dimes]

Could counsellor advise the court on the date of this legislation? Because we used to buy ammo when we were pre-teens. Now you need a PAL.

[NomadPatriot]

Could counsellor advise the court on the date of this legislation? Because we used to buy ammo when we were pre-teens. Now you need a PAL.

exactly what kind of ammo were you buying when you were under 13 years old..?

[2dimes]

22 calabur but I can't remember if it was rim fire or not. It was a while ago.

[NomadPatriot]

22 calabur but I can't remember if it was rim fire or not. It was a while ago.

because... Canada

[2dimes]

What were you shooting when you were ten, Dessert 50?

[NomadPatriot]

What were you shooting when you were ten, Dessert 50?

well I was allowed to shoot a .22 & a 4/10 shotgun..

being a 10 year old who is allowed to shoot a gun & being a 10 year old who is allowed to go buy ammo are 2 completely different scenarios..

[2dimes]

I suppose that's true. So, point or no?

[NomadPatriot]

I suppose that's true. So, point or no?

point is you obviously know nothing about US gun laws...

at least Canada let's 10 year olds buy ammo...

[2dimes]

Ok

[DoomYoshi]

I was at a gun show in Corona, California and there was no ID or anything. You just paid for the ammo and you got to fire the gun. All the major companies were there, and they had some relic guns that you couldn't buy, but could still fire (like Tommy guns). I'm sure if you wanted to buy a gun there might be some ID checks, but NP is grasping at straws here. Renting a gun would imply taking it off the premises.

The point is - that's how gun ranges with rentals work, based on my experience.

And California is way more strict than Texas when it comes to gun laws (although Texas doesn't hold a candle to Alaska, the best American state).

By the way, that gun show is still ongoing 15 years later - https://www.turners.com/info/sports-fair

Notice in the ad there is at least one child shooting.

[NomadPatriot]

I was at a gun show in Corona, California and there was no ID or anything. You just paid for the ammo and you got to fire the gun. All the major companies were there, and they had some relic guns that you couldn't buy, but could still fire (like Tommy guns). I'm sure if you wanted to buy a gun there might be some ID checks, but NP is grasping at straws here. Renting a gun would imply taking it off the premises.

The point is - that's how gun ranges with rentals work, based on my experience.

And California is way more strict than Texas when it comes to gun laws (although Texas doesn't hold a candle to Alaska, the best American state).

By the way, that gun show is still ongoing 15 years later - https://www.turners.com/info/sports-fair

Notice in the ad there is at least one child shooting.

those darn signed waiver & bring you id with you straws....

" Everyone must have a waiver completed (whether you're participating or not) "

Welcome to Raahauge's! Southern California's Premier Shooting Range
14995 River Rd
Corona, CA 92880


ONLINE WAIVER
Raahauge's is transitioning from paper to electronic waivers. Please create an account to sign your waiver for yourself

and any children 17yrs or younger before the next time you come to the range!



ONLINE WAIVER


Submit online before your next visit


Everyone must have a waiver completed (whether you're participating or not). All adults (18yrs or older) must complete their own waiver. Children 17yrs or younger need to be added to a parental waiver.



Instructions:

​

Must enter your legal name as shown on Valid ID.

​

1.Must enter your legal name as shown on Valid ID.


2.Enter Email


3.Fill out all information


4.Add any Children 17 yrs or younger (No Children to add, skip to #4)


5.Read Waiver


6.Initial that you have read and understand this agreement.


7.Sign Waiver


8.Bring your I.D. and let us know you have signed your waiver online. Once validated your waiver will be good for 36 months.



https://www.raahauges.com/online-waiver-form

[DoomYoshi]

Oh yes, that clearly shows what you are trying to prove, which is " Federal law states you must be 21 to purchase, sell, rent or loan a handgun or ammunition. If you are between the ages of 18-21, you must furnish your own handgun and ammunition". Thank you for providing further evidence.

[NomadPatriot]

but NP is grasping at straws here. Renting a gun would imply taking it off the premises. The point is - that's how gun ranges with rentals work, based on my experience.

"Renting a gun would imply taking it off the premises"

the very next line...

"The point is - that's how gun ranges with rentals work, based on my experience"

[DoomYoshi]

Exhibit C is even stronger. Your honor, the defense rests. Never has a word had two meanings before.

[NomadPatriot]

Firearms Range Waiver:

1) you must be 18 years of age & present a valid form of identification to rent long guns, purchase ammunition and use the rifle range. you must be 21 years of age & present a valid identification to rent handguns, purchase ammunition & use the pistol range.

https://waiver.smartwaiver.com/w/5b7758456517a/web/

[mrswdk]

NomadCopyPasteriot

[Dukasaur]

Firearms Range Waiver:

1) you must be 18 years of age & present a valid form of identification to rent long guns, purchase ammunition and use the rifle range. you must be 21 years of age & present a valid identification to rent handguns, purchase ammunition & use the pistol range.

https://waiver.smartwaiver.com/w/5b7758456517a/web/

Thank you for informing us about the rule. You're still not addressing the fact that rules are often ignored when there's money to be made.

[NomadPatriot]

Firearms Range Waiver:

1) you must be 18 years of age & present a valid form of identification to rent long guns, purchase ammunition and use the rifle range. you must be 21 years of age & present a valid identification to rent handguns, purchase ammunition & use the pistol range.

https://waiver.smartwaiver.com/w/5b7758456517a/web/

Thank you for informing us about the rule. You're still not addressing the fact that rules are often ignored when there's money to be made.

simply prove this 'fact'..

[NomadPatriot]

NomadCopyPasteriot

because the link to the waiver doesn't let you copy anything on that page...

[NomadPatriot]

[mrswdk]

Firearms Range Waiver:

1) you must be 18 years of age & present a valid form of identification to rent long guns, purchase ammunition and use the rifle range. you must be 21 years of age & present a valid identification to rent handguns, purchase ammunition & use the pistol range.

https://waiver.smartwaiver.com/w/5b7758456517a/web/

Thank you for informing us about the rule. You're still not addressing the fact that rules are often ignored when there's money to be made.

simply prove this 'fact'..