How many here understand the coup against Trump?

[armati]

Not that I really like Trump, but he was elected.
Maybe I missed a thread but I had to ask, just out of interest, how many people understand whats going on?

Paul Craig Roberts – We Have a CIA Operation Against the President
https://youtu.be/VKw_T9BDL4c

[NomadPatriot]

completely understand..

DeClass = Guantanamo Bay

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enjoy the show!

[HitRed]

The list of 25 democrate candidates ^*#% so they are going for impeachment. No faith in the team.

[nietzsche]

every day this gets more and more interesting to me..

i mean, obviously they saw the patterns .. felt the mood ... maybe they even started by accident.. but they won an election with Donald Trump.

what else can it be done? I mean, for instance, given my limited scope, i guess i could get rich selling you something..


a motto or something.. something catchy that taps into your raw feelings... register it and then sell you hats and shirts and that...

[NomadPatriot]

every day this gets more and more interesting to me..

i mean, obviously they saw the patterns .. felt the mood ... maybe they even started by accident.. but they won an election with Donald Trump.

what else can it be done? I mean, for instance, given my limited scope, i guess i could get rich selling you something..


a motto or something.. something catchy that taps into your raw feelings... register it and then sell you hats and shirts and that...

i got an idea for ya Nietz.. it's perfect for your criteria..
it might not be what you expect.. but hey.. who cares...

[betiko]

I’m just wondering... is it ok to ask russia to dig dirt on hilary then ukraine to dig dirt on.. crap just forgot his name.. whatever.
Is it ok to use your role of head of state for your own personal benefit... political or financial as this guy has been doing without even hiding it.
It’s totally ok to be republican and at some point just opening your eyes and realise that the guy in office is unfit for the job and a disgrace. A senile person with a ridiculous ego born with a silver spoon in hand who always got what he wanted by abusing of the position he was born with. This guy only cares about his own little self, and being president is just an opportunity for himself. I don’t understand how some people can’t see it... the way he expresses himself.. 90% bullshit, uneducated guesses, blatant lies... said with a lot of agressivity and belittling the journalist or opponent asking him a question. Gosh guys... wake up. The dude is a cancer, get rid of it. Republicans and America deserve better.

[NomadPatriot]

I’m just wondering... is it ok to ask russia to dig dirt on hilary then ukraine to dig dirt on.. crap just forgot his name.. whatever.
Is it ok to use your role of head of state for your own personal benefit... political or financial as this guy has been doing without even hiding it.
It’s totally ok to be republican and at some point just opening your eyes and realise that the guy in office is unfit for the job and a disgrace. A senile person with a ridiculous ego born with a silver spoon in hand who always got what he wanted by abusing of the position he was born with. This guy only cares about his own little self, and being president is just an opportunity for himself. I don’t understand how some people can’t see it... the way he expresses himself.. 90% bullshit, uneducated guesses, blatant lies... said with a lot of agressivity and belittling the journalist or opponent asking him a question. Gosh guys... wake up. The dude is a cancer, get rid of it. Republicans and America deserve better.

the US Government isn't allowed to collude with a foreign country.. at all...

it would be like getting a Dossier from the UK and using that as the basis for a 2 year long / $30 million investigation into a Government Official..

… oh wait...

[betiko]

If the US is selling weapons to a country it’s normal to give conditions. What is not normal is that those conditions have to benefit the country, not citizen trump. Seems pretty basic to understand, right?

[NomadPatriot]

If the US is selling weapons to a country it’s normal to give conditions. What is not normal is that those conditions have to benefit the country, not citizen trump. Seems pretty basic to understand, right?

you mean like if Trump was say out playing Golf with his Son & the owners of the Company the Ukraine Prosecutor was investigating along with Trump's Son.. & Trump made a condition that unless that Prosecutor got fired he would withhold funding... & after the prosecutor got fired Trump denied ever meeting those company owners?

something like that?

…. oh wait.. that was Biden, not Trump...

[betiko]

If the US is selling weapons to a country it’s normal to give conditions. What is not normal is that those conditions have to benefit the country, not citizen trump. Seems pretty basic to understand, right?

you mean like if Trump was say out playing Golf with his Son & the owners of the Company the Ukraine Prosecutor was investigating along with Trump's Son.. & Trump made a condition that unless that Prosecutor got fired he would withhold funding... & after the prosecutor got fired Trump denied ever meeting those company owners?

something like that?

…. oh wait.. that was Biden, not Trump...

am i being a Biden supporter here? we are talking about your president in office, the one that chops the steak. Even though what you are talking about is using your influence to get someone fired in a private company, not asking a foreign government to rig again the elections. Instead of dodging bullets when we talk about something specific... Is it so hard to admit that this guy is a terrible president? Are you that indoctrinated (your political party or by trump, I don't know which one it is) that nothing this guy could do could be criticized? are you able to criticize one single thing about donald tump? It feels like you are not, and it's the same with all the people like you. It's not possible to have a reasonable conversation because you refuse to be objective about anything regarding this guy.

[HitRed]

I love Trump! He reformed the Postal Union, pulling us out of Syria and maybe (Iraq, Afghanistan) and brings jobs back to America!

I do disagree with him on wind power. That stance of his confuses me.

[NomadPatriot]

If the US is selling weapons to a country it’s normal to give conditions. What is not normal is that those conditions have to benefit the country, not citizen trump. Seems pretty basic to understand, right?

you mean like if Trump was say out playing Golf with his Son & the owners of the Company the Ukraine Prosecutor was investigating along with Trump's Son.. & Trump made a condition that unless that Prosecutor got fired he would withhold funding... & after the prosecutor got fired Trump denied ever meeting those company owners?

something like that?

…. oh wait.. that was Biden, not Trump...

am i being a Biden supporter here? we are talking about your president in office, the one that chops the steak. Even though what you are talking about is using your influence to get someone fired in a private company, not asking a foreign government to rig again the elections. Instead of dodging bullets when we talk about something specific... Is it so hard to admit that this guy is a terrible president? Are you that indoctrinated (your political party or by trump, I don't know which one it is) that nothing this guy could do could be criticized? are you able to criticize one single thing about donald tump? It feels like you are not, and it's the same with all the people like you. It's not possible to have a reasonable conversation because you refuse to be objective about anything regarding this guy.

feel free to actually point out the things Trump has actually done that you are accusing him doing instead of the hyperbole.
what exactly are you criticizing him of doing. .?
get specific with facts & a discussion can be had..

only thing I see you doing is a long string of insults..

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the guy in office is unfit for the job and a disgrace.
A senile person
with a ridiculous ego
born with a silver spoon in hand
who always got what he wanted by abusing of the position he was born with.
This guy only cares about his own little self,
.. 90% bullshit,
uneducated guesses,
blatant lies...
The dude is a cancer,

seems odd for you to say all of that in the same paragraph you say this
--> "said with a lot of agressivity and belittling the opponent"

you aggressively belittle your opponent ( trump ) over & over & over again... while complaining that is what he is doing without quoting anything he has said or referencing anything factual he has done..

how about setting the mirror down.. quit projecting what you are doing onto others & try to focus on actual facts..

I guess it's Donald Trumps fault his dad owned his own self-made construction company at the age of 22... Donald should have just ran away from home at 10 and threw away his fathers hard work & survived on his own.. because complaining about him being born with a silver spoon in hand & abusing a position he was born with entails you have no respect for hard work & being successful, at 22.. like his father did..

[patches70]

I'm gonna help the OP out and you as well betiko, to actually understand what is going on.

First off, what the Dems are doing, the so called "impeachment inquiry" isn't really an impeachment inquiry. But that's pretty much just noise, and not worth worrying about. The Dems aren't really serious about impeaching Trump. They can get the House to vote to impeach, if they go to that level, but then it goes to the Senate. Some of you, mostly non-Americans, might not understand how the process to remove the President is. The House votes to impeach, the Senate tries and if it gets a 2/3 vote then the President is removed. 2/3 vote. That's 67 votes and the Republicans hold the majority. The Senate won't vote to impeach on this amount of flimsy and frankly poorly executed "inquiry". But since removing Trump this way isn't the actual objective, this doesn't matter.

Not only that, the Dems can be a secret as they want with the House "inquiry" stuff, but when it goes to the Senate, it's all open then and the case that's been leaked thus far by the intel committee will sink like a boat filled with holes.

Now since it's virtually impossible to remove Trump from office this way, then what is the actual objective then?

Some say it's an election ploy, that it's going to somehow help the Dems in the upcoming election, but if you buy that then you should definitely think about replacing whatever propaganda delivery device you use cause you are getting played. In reality if the House votes to impeach it's more likely to energize the base for the Republicans and Trump in the upcoming election. We remember the months before all this happened, when Pelosi was refusing to even discuss impeachment and media was saying that Trump was daring her to impeach. Pelosi was smarter than that though.

So, this impeachment stuff is more likely going to hurt the Dems more than the Reps and certain more than hurting Trump who will be able to play this for all it's worth. But the Dems don't seem to care that much about this, do they? What could be so important that the Dems are willing to crush their own chances in the upcoming election and feel that it is an acceptable loss? What could be worse than that?

There is something, but I kinda want to see what some of you think about why the Dems are taking this course of action when it is virtually doomed to failure. To actually remove Trump every single Dem senator, Independent Senator would have to vote to remove from office and also get 20 Republicans to vote with them. This would be political suicide for any Republican Senator if they did such a thing, so the Dems ain't gonna get 20 Republicans to go along with this. If we also remember from history, the Republicans impeached Clinton and in the next election they got trounced, the American public has little patience for this type of stuff.

So toss out your alternate theories as to what is really going on and I'll probably be back in a couple of days to let ya'll know what the real deal is. What the Dems are really doing, and for the record, if I were the deep Dem leadership, I'd probably be doing the same thing. So I can sympathize with the Dems on this, but they are really in a bad spot ATM.

[HitRed]

"Any person, institution or organization is only as strong as it is Truthful." - God

[spurgistan]

I'm gonna help the OP out and you as well betiko, to actually understand what is going on.

First off, what the Dems are doing, the so called "impeachment inquiry" isn't really an impeachment inquiry. But that's pretty much just noise, and not worth worrying about. The Dems aren't really serious about impeaching Trump. They can get the House to vote to impeach, if they go to that level, but then it goes to the Senate. Some of you, mostly non-Americans, might not understand how the process to remove the President is. The House votes to impeach, the Senate tries and if it gets a 2/3 vote then the President is removed. 2/3 vote. That's 67 votes and the Republicans hold the majority. The Senate won't vote to impeach on this amount of flimsy and frankly poorly executed "inquiry". But since removing Trump this way isn't the actual objective, this doesn't matter.

Not only that, the Dems can be a secret as they want with the House "inquiry" stuff, but when it goes to the Senate, it's all open then and the case that's been leaked thus far by the intel committee will sink like a boat filled with holes.

Now since it's virtually impossible to remove Trump from office this way, then what is the actual objective then?

Some say it's an election ploy, that it's going to somehow help the Dems in the upcoming election, but if you buy that then you should definitely think about replacing whatever propaganda delivery device you use cause you are getting played. In reality if the House votes to impeach it's more likely to energize the base for the Republicans and Trump in the upcoming election. We remember the months before all this happened, when Pelosi was refusing to even discuss impeachment and media was saying that Trump was daring her to impeach. Pelosi was smarter than that though.

So, this impeachment stuff is more likely going to hurt the Dems more than the Reps and certain more than hurting Trump who will be able to play this for all it's worth. But the Dems don't seem to care that much about this, do they? What could be so important that the Dems are willing to crush their own chances in the upcoming election and feel that it is an acceptable loss? What could be worse than that?

There is something, but I kinda want to see what some of you think about why the Dems are taking this course of action when it is virtually doomed to failure. To actually remove Trump every single Dem senator, Independent Senator would have to vote to remove from office and also get 20 Republicans to vote with them. This would be political suicide for any Republican Senator if they did such a thing, so the Dems ain't gonna get 20 Republicans to go along with this. If we also remember from history, the Republicans impeached Clinton and in the next election they got trounced, the American public has little patience for this type of stuff.

So toss out your alternate theories as to what is really going on and I'll probably be back in a couple of days to let ya'll know what the real deal is. What the Dems are really doing, and for the record, if I were the deep Dem leadership, I'd probably be doing the same thing. So I can sympathize with the Dems on this, but they are really in a bad spot ATM.

First off, I love your confidence. Honestly, no joke.
Secondly, you think that going into a close election more than a couple voters are gonna look at the list of presidents who've been impeached (Bill Clinton, Andrew Johnson, and basically Nixon) and say, Hey, Trump's not in the best company here!
Third, instead of focusing on Clinton (a broadly popular president who remained popular, was able to mostly remain above the fray, and against whom the case for impeachment was not clear) we might go back a few decades and look at Nixon? Look at Nixon's popularity during Watergate, and how it starts off high and then goes real low. I think the Trump case is far more parallel to Nixon than to Clinton. But, absurd confidence aside, nobody can truly know what's going to happen. The only correct prediction about politics is that most predictions will be wrong.

[NomadPatriot]

Comey is making his move. trying to cash in the insurance policy on Trump.. instructing operatives to take out the kids..

[betiko]

how about setting the mirror down.. quit projecting what you are doing onto others & try to focus on actual facts..

how about trump focuses one day on facts? everything he says is debunked imediately, he is full of shit about everything he says. Anyways, you've proved once again you are not worth my time, i'm not going to bother doing a long ass post.

At least Hit Red is able to talk about a few things he disagrees with and he isn't just a blind fan who thinks it's all about republicans versus democrats. You know, people disagree within republicans, and disagree within democrats... There are some gray areas, and you are one of those that refuses to see things anything else than pitch black or chrome white.

[NomadPatriot]

how about setting the mirror down.. quit projecting what you are doing onto others & try to focus on actual facts..

how about trump focuses one day on facts? everything he says is debunked imediately, he is full of shit about everything he says. Anyways, you've proved once again you are not worth my time, i'm not going to bother doing a long ass post.

At least Hit Red is able to talk about a few things he disagrees with and he isn't just a blind fan who thinks it's all about republicans versus democrats. You know, people disagree within republicans, and disagree within democrats... There are some gray areas, and you are one of those that refuses to see things anything else than pitch black or chrome white.

{ never heard of 'chrome white'...? chrome is a mirror.. so it would reflect whatever color(s) are opposite it }


oh me asking you to actually back-up your claims is too hard for you to do..
geez.. how surprising..
typical anti-trump routine..

accuse him of things, then when confronted you have nothing.. and you start with the profanity, some personal attacks & then accuse them of blindly following Trump without knowing anything about their stance of any topic...

but as usual with your crowd.. you just skim over the part where you got called out for your hypocrisy.. and provide zero facts

here is 1 fact for you. 1 of Trump's Campaign Promises was to Destroy ISIS & withdrawal troops from the Middle East.

guess what.. --> ISIS is destroyed & Trump is withdrawing troops from the middle east.