US too physically weak against English opponents

[mrswdk]

The English rugby team have today demolish the US 45-7 (they spared them a 45-0 whitewashing by letting them have some consolation points just before the final whistle).

A physically and technically superior England overpowered the puny and ill-disciplined American players. Once again, daddy shows who is boss.

England's set-piece was dominant, the US forwards unable to cope at the scrum or to find an answer when their opponents set the maul.

The US pack was splintering at the set-piece. Genge left white-shirted defenders scattered in his wake like tenpins.

In a World Cup becoming defined by safe tackling technique, US flanker John Quill was sent off for a horrible shoulder charge on replacement Owen Farrell, the England talisman lucky not to suffer serious injury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49840190

[tzor]

Wait, we have a Rugby team?

OK Looking at the 2019 schedule I see.
Beat Canada 20-10, 47-19, 30-25
Lost to Japan 20-34
Beat Samoa 13-10
Lost to Uruguay 25-32
Beat Brazil 33-28
Lost to Argentina 14-45
Kicked the snot out of Chile 71-8

Which, all in all, isn't bad.
Given that almost no Americans know about them.
(Except Canadian Rugby fans who merely pretend not to want to know about them.)

[2dimes]

Is Army of God on the team?

[jimboston]

If all the kids who played American Football stopped and started playing Football/Soccer and Rugby instead... the USA would win the World Cup in 15-20 years in both Sports.

[tzor]

If all the kids who played American Football stopped and started playing Football/Soccer and Rugby instead... the USA would win the World Cup in 15-20 years in both Sports.

Rugby is a common sport among many colleges in the US, it just doesn't have that "division 1" support.
(Then again Division 1 Hockey in the US is like completely ignored ... even the "Frozen Four" ...)

Association Football (which using the English method of word shortening became "Soccer") is more popular among girls who have no chance whatsoever at anything professional (and only ungrateful whiny *BEEP* wind up on the USA team). Other than scholarships it is generally ignored at the college level.

[saxitoxin]

rugby

What's that? Is that the World Cup thing betiko is always talking about?

[jimboston]

If all the kids who played American Football stopped and started playing Football/Soccer and Rugby instead... the USA would win the World Cup in 15-20 years in both Sports.

Rugby is a common sport among many colleges in the US, it just doesn't have that "division 1" support.
(Then again Division 1 Hockey in the US is like completely ignored ... even the "Frozen Four" ...)

Association Football (which using the English method of word shortening became "Soccer") is more popular among girls who have no chance whatsoever at anything professional (and only ungrateful whiny *BEEP* wind up on the USA team). Other than scholarships it is generally ignored at the college level.

corrections...

1) Rugby is not ‘common’ on US college campuses.
It exists. I played it as a club sport in college.
It wasn’t and isn’t “common”... we had to travel quite a bit because there were not a lot of teams.

Flag football leagues are more common, shit Harry Potter’s Quidditch might be more common than Rugby.
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2) Rugby does exist as a D1 sport in some colleges.

It’s just not as prevalent and there’s no money in it.
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My point is that if European Football (i.e. Soccer) or Rugby was played by kids instead of American Football... it would not take the USA long to dominate those sports.

Your example of women’s soccer is perfect... women’s soccer is essentially the female version of football here in the USA.
As such it gets money and attention for girls... and therefore we field a world class team.

Just saying Americans are “too weak” to play Rugby is ridiculous. Imagine Gronk as a Halfback?

[jimboston]

rugby

What's that? Is that the World Cup thing betiko is always talking about?

You would like the sport.

One of the key positions is named “Hooker”.

[nietzsche]

Is Army of God on the team?

nope, AoG passed a while ago.


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[Symmetry]

If all the kids who played American Football stopped and started playing Football/Soccer and Rugby instead... the USA would win the World Cup in 15-20 years in both Sports.

Rugby is a common sport among many colleges in the US, it just doesn't have that "division 1" support.
(Then again Division 1 Hockey in the US is like completely ignored ... even the "Frozen Four" ...)

Association Football (which using the English method of word shortening became "Soccer") is more popular among girls who have no chance whatsoever at anything professional (and only ungrateful whiny *BEEP* wind up on the USA team). Other than scholarships it is generally ignored at the college level.

corrections...

1) Rugby is not ‘common’ on US college campuses.
It exists. I played it as a club sport in college.
It wasn’t and isn’t “common”... we had to travel quite a bit because there were not a lot of teams.

Flag football leagues are more common, shit Harry Potter’s Quidditch might be more common than Rugby.
—-

2) Rugby does exist as a D1 sport in some colleges.

It’s just not as prevalent and there’s no money in it.
—-

My point is that if European Football (i.e. Soccer) or Rugby was played by kids instead of American Football... it would not take the USA long to dominate those sports.

Your example of women’s soccer is perfect... women’s soccer is essentially the female version of football here in the USA.
As such it gets money and attention for girls... and therefore we field a world class team.

Just saying Americans are “too weak” to play Rugby is ridiculous. Imagine Gronk as a Halfback?

American football is about politics now. I don't think any football team in the NFL could defy Pence and Trump and say that Black Lives Matter, tbh.

[NomadPatriot]

finally gets of his forum suspension..
makes Football about Trump..

[riskllama]

*& Pence
*off

[Symmetry]

finally gets of his forum suspension..
makes Football about Trump..

That sort of makes sense, congrats!

[jimboston]

American football is about politics now. I don't think any football team in the NFL could defy Pence and Trump and say that Black Lives Matter, tbh.

I think the vast majority of NFL fans don’t vote or pay attention to politics at all.


So.. what’s your position on Americans just being ‘to weak’ to compete in Rugby?

[tzor]

1) Rugby is not ‘common’ on US college campuses.
2) Rugby does exist as a D1 sport in some colleges.

If it is in a knurd school like R.P.I. it must be common. It's a "Club" but still.
Division 1-A has 66 colleges in it divided into eight conferences; that's more than "some."
(Granted it's only 9 years old so ...)
Note Division 1 Hockey has 16 teams.

[jimboston]

1) Rugby is not ‘common’ on US college campuses.
2) Rugby does exist as a D1 sport in some colleges.

If it is in a knurd school like R.P.I. it must be common. It's a "Club" but still.
Division 1-A has 66 colleges in it divided into eight conferences; that's more than "some."
(Granted it's only 9 years old so ...)
Note Division 1 Hockey has 16 teams.

You said it doesn’t have ‘division 1 support”... whatever that means.
I just corrected that it is a D1 sport at some schools. My statement is accurate.

Hockey and Baseball are a couple sports where many top players skip school and got into Minor League teams.
(Note... many, not all.)

This is less common for Basketball and American Football... which is why the level of those sports is much higher in college.

I count 67 teams... but I may have miscounted because my wife was talking, so cut me a break if there’s 66 or 68.
http://collegehockeyinc.com/teams-and-conferences.php
There’s certainly way more than 16!

The Frozen Four is fine... but the Beanpot is where it’s at.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beanpot_(ice_hockey)

What does this have to do with Americans being too weak to compete against England?

No one is addressing my point...so that means you all agree?

[tzor]

You said it doesn’t have ‘division 1 support”... whatever that means.

Now I see, I was referring to the "support" that some sports have at the division 1 level, specifically football and basketball.
You don't see major television networks covering regular games or even the finals in anything other than division 1 football and basketball.
There is a division 1 but it is as supported as most division 3 football teams.
(Yes R.P.I. is division III in football and that doesn't mean SQUAT. They are division I in hockey and well that doesn't mean squat either.)

[jimboston]

You said it doesn’t have ‘division 1 support”... whatever that means.

Now I see, I was referring to the "support" that some sports have at the division 1 level, specifically football and basketball.
You don't see major television networks covering regular games or even the finals in anything other than division 1 football and basketball.
There is a division 1 but it is as supported as most division 3 football teams.
(Yes R.P.I. is division III in football and that doesn't mean SQUAT. They are division I in hockey and well that doesn't mean squat either.)

Right... Rugby and Soccer don’t get the money/support... so they don’t get the scholarships and there’s no buzz about them... so kids don’t play them (as much).

If there were no Americans Football, and Soccer/Rugby got the attention and money that now goes to American Football, then the USA would field world class teams once the current generation (of kids 5-10yo) grows up and is old enough to play for National or Pro teams.

That’s my whole point!

[KoolBak]

One of my best friends son got a full ride scholarship from rugby to a crappy little no name college....so I guess it's around?

Actually looked it up. Western Oregon University, and they're nationally ranked in the National Small College Rugby Organization!! Wooooo...that there is sumpin!

[2dimes]

Is Army of God on the team?

nope, AoG passed a while ago.


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Fake news, worse than a Saxitoxin post.

[jimboston]

One of my best friends son got a full ride scholarship from rugby to a crappy little no name college....so I guess it's around?

Actually looked it up. Western Oregon University, and they're nationally ranked in the National Small College Rugby Organization!! Wooooo...that there is sumpin!

Western Oregon University is not D1.

So your friend’s son could not technically get a full ride “for” or “from” Rugby.
Only D1 schools offer Athletic scholarships.

Course if he happens to be a great Rugby player that’s completely unrelated if a (non D1) school wants to offer some kid a scholarship for academics or financial need.

Hey... it’s a technicality... but it’s important.

They can’t really give a dumb rich kid any money even if he’s good at sports.

They can offer a financial need based scholarship, but you gotta show your financials and if you’re loaded then they can’t really give that to your kid.

They can offer an academic scholarship, but if you don’t have decent grades and test scores that’s hard to justify.

They will bend the rules for sure... but if they bend them too far they break and get penalized.

[mookiemcgee]

One of my best friends son got a full ride scholarship from rugby to a crappy little no name college....so I guess it's around?

Actually looked it up. Western Oregon University, and they're nationally ranked in the National Small College Rugby Organization!! Wooooo...that there is sumpin!

Western Oregon University is not D1.

So your friend’s son could not technically get a full ride “for” or “from” Rugby.
Only D1 schools offer Athletic scholarships.

Course if he happens to be a great Rugby player that’s completely unrelated if a (non D1) school wants to offer some kid a scholarship for academics or financial need.

Hey... it’s a technicality... but it’s important.

They can’t really give a dumb rich kid any money even if he’s good at sports.

They can offer a financial need based scholarship, but you gotta show your financials and if you’re loaded then they can’t really give that to your kid.

They can offer an academic scholarship, but if you don’t have decent grades and test scores that’s hard to justify.

They will bend the rules for sure... but if they bend them too far they break and get penalized.

Not sure where you are getting that from?

DII schools can offer full or partial scholarships, they spend their allocated scholarship resources anyway they choose. Western Oregon University is a DII school.

For example, in football, schools are allowed to award up to 36 “equivalencies” or full grants, but of course the rosters in football are much larger than 36 players. Thus, coaches and financial aid officers at Division II institutions decide how to allocate those equivalencies as partial scholarships. That means some student-athletes may receive more athletics-based aid than others, and some will not receive any at all. As a comparison, schools in the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision are allotted 85 “full rides.”

[KoolBak]

WTF jimmy? He got a fucking four year scholarship. I don't give a f*ck about your d's or opinions. I do dad's taxes. He ain't rich. Kid got free fucking school. Go bullshit nomad all you want....dont be a bitch to me.

[tzor]

Western Oregon University is not D1.

Nit Pick: according to Wikipedia only D3 cannot offer scholarships. "Under NCAA rules, Division I and Division II schools can offer scholarships to athletes for playing a sport. Division III schools may not offer any athletic scholarships."

Counter Nit Pick: Rugby isn't a men's team sport in NCAA.

And yet ... There are Rugby Scholarships

Former NCAA D1 athlete Fraser Gibson founded United Sports USA in 2009. Since then, with the help of his dedicated team members, he has placed hundreds of young boys and girls at universities and colleges in the United States as student-athletes.

[jimboston]

One of my best friends son got a full ride scholarship from rugby to a crappy little no name college....so I guess it's around?

Actually looked it up. Western Oregon University, and they're nationally ranked in the National Small College Rugby Organization!! Wooooo...that there is sumpin!

Western Oregon University is not D1.

So your friend’s son could not technically get a full ride “for” or “from” Rugby.
Only D1 schools offer Athletic scholarships.

Course if he happens to be a great Rugby player that’s completely unrelated if a (non D1) school wants to offer some kid a scholarship for academics or financial need.

Hey... it’s a technicality... but it’s important.

They can’t really give a dumb rich kid any money even if he’s good at sports.

They can offer a financial need based scholarship, but you gotta show your financials and if you’re loaded then they can’t really give that to your kid.

They can offer an academic scholarship, but if you don’t have decent grades and test scores that’s hard to justify.

They will bend the rules for sure... but if they bend them too far they break and get penalized.

Not sure where you are getting that from?

DII schools can offer full or partial scholarships, they spend their allocated scholarship resources anyway they choose. Western Oregon University is a DII school.

For example, in football, schools are allowed to award up to 36 “equivalencies” or full grants, but of course the rosters in football are much larger than 36 players. Thus, coaches and financial aid officers at Division II institutions decide how to allocate those equivalencies as partial scholarships. That means some student-athletes may receive more athletics-based aid than others, and some will not receive any at all. As a comparison, schools in the Division I Football Bowl Subdivision are allotted 85 “full rides.”

I stand corrected.

I was always told/advised that only D1 can offer athletic scholarships... but I wa misinformed and accepted that misinformation as fact.

My bad.

Duh. To me.