Say yes to beef AND MILK

[Jdsizzleslice]

Queen Margaret University - one of the top universities in the United Kingdom - has named and elevated beef as by far the most environmentally friendly ingredient in any meal:

"Selected micronutrient intakes: percentage with intakes below the lower reference nutrient intake":



Say YES to beef, and say no to alternative sources of protein and taste sensations.

[HitRed]

Whale meat is back! What could be healthier than eating krill all day?

[Dukasaur]

Queen Margaret University - one of the top universities in the United Kingdom - has named and elevated beef as by far the most environmentally friendly ingredient in any meal

The study talks about the nutritional qualities of beef, which are admittedly good.

Unless you're reading some secret paragraph I can't find, it says nothing about its environmental costs.

[Jdsizzleslice]

Queen Margaret University - one of the top universities in the United Kingdom - has named and elevated beef as by far the most environmentally friendly ingredient in any meal

The study talks about the nutritional qualities of beef, which are admittedly good.

Unless you're reading some secret paragraph I can't find, it says nothing about its environmental costs.

Environment of the meat itself.

[Dukasaur]

Queen Margaret University - one of the top universities in the United Kingdom - has named and elevated beef as by far the most environmentally friendly ingredient in any meal

The study talks about the nutritional qualities of beef, which are admittedly good.

Unless you're reading some secret paragraph I can't find, it says nothing about its environmental costs.

Environment of the meat itself.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the environment of the meat itself.

When most people talk about environmental costs, they're talking about the enormous amount of land taken up by beef production, and secondarily about the amount of water used.

[Jdsizzleslice]

Queen Margaret University - one of the top universities in the United Kingdom - has named and elevated beef as by far the most environmentally friendly ingredient in any meal

The study talks about the nutritional qualities of beef, which are admittedly good.

Unless you're reading some secret paragraph I can't find, it says nothing about its environmental costs.

Environment of the meat itself.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the environment of the meat itself.

When most people talk about environmental costs, they're talking about the enormous amount of land taken up by beef production, and secondarily about the amount of water used.

Referring to ecology.

[Evil Semp]

Wimpy and the Hamburgler are my friends. YES to BEEF.

[Keefie]

JD, I think your over egging the pudding with regard to the status of Queen Margaret University. I had to look it up because I'd never even heard of it before.

FYI it was just a college that converted to Uni status in 2007 and is currently ranked as the 68th best Uni in the UK. Not exactly Ivy League.

[mrswdk]

jdizzle has clearly searched long and hard for evidence that beef is not bad for the environment, drawn a blank, and therefore resorted to lying. This thread is therefore just one more piece of evidence that beef is bad for the environment and should be avoided.

[mrswdk]

Also, what is it with old people and getting so triggered when anyone talks about protecting the environment? Is the idea of living sustainably in order to avert a climate disaster really so outrageous and unacceptable to you?

[jimboston]

Also, what is it with old people and getting so triggered when anyone talks about protecting the environment? Is the idea of living sustainably in order to avert a climate disaster really so outrageous and unacceptable to you?

Please define “old” people.

How old does one have to be for you to consider them old in this context?

[2dimes]

Oh, I do. Though I'm more into cheese and ice cream.

I am also curious what Duk plans to do with all the land between he and I, if we killed the cows to free it up? Grow soy beans? Install more of those environmentally friendly pump jacks? Put up a parking lot?

If you are complaining about feed lots, I agree but free range prairie cattle are hardly something to panic about just yet.

[tzor]

What could be healthier than eating krill all day?

That's what the Penguins say!

"Honey, I'm going out eating with the girls, take care of junior while I'm gone."

"Yes dear."

"Keep junior warm."

"Yes dear."

"See you in two months."

"Yes dear."

[tzor]

Also, what is it with old people and getting so triggered when anyone talks about protecting the environment?

First of all, when people talk about "protecting the environment" they generally are not. If weare talking about meat production there are a number of factors that can pose significant effects on the environment that include (but is not limited to) nitrogen runoff and strains on the natural resources.t

But I would insist that the problem is not in the meat itself but the industrial mass production of animals in a unsiustainable manner. To that extent we should eat LESS meat overall, in as much as a proper sustainable production would be at a significantly lower rate than is current.

[mrswdk]

tzor agrees. The less beef and dairy that we eat, the kinder we are to our atmosphere. Therefore consuming lots and lots of beef and dairy is the worst thing we could do, consuming none is the best thing we could do.

[2dimes]

If they are bad for the environment I'm helping by eating them. Once we eat them, they can't harm the planet.

[mrswdk]

If they are bad for the environment I'm helping by eating them. Once we eat them, they can't harm the planet.

[2dimes]

I can't remember for sure but we did sit at a table together once and ate, we probably joined forces against the cows.

[mrswdk]

I can't remember for sure but we did sit at a table together once and ate, we probably joined forces against the cows.

Then you are an official Ally of the Earth.

[jimboston]

Also, what is it with old people and getting so triggered when anyone talks about protecting the environment? Is the idea of living sustainably in order to avert a climate disaster really so outrageous and unacceptable to you?

Please define “old” people.

How old does one have to be for you to consider them old in this context?

In addition to hating white people and Americans... mrswdk also hates old people.

[tzor]

tzor agrees. The less beef and dairy that we eat, the kinder we are to our atmosphere. Therefore consuming lots and lots of beef and dairy is the worst thing we could do, consuming none is the best thing we could do.

No, the question is never binary. We live in a mostly analog universe (except at the quantum level). Most Americans could do with eating "less" beef, in part because they could do with eating "more" of other things. Dairy is a problem because cows these days will lactate more than necessary, even when supporting feeding the young. Thank goodness for the power of cheese.

And again, there is a lot more to consider than just "the atmosphere." Sustainable farming is farming at a reasonable rate, allowing for the environment to naturally replenish the requirements of the animals and properly handle the waste of the animals in turn.

Remember it's more than just beef, it's cheese, it's ice cream, it's ...



YES I ADMIT IT ... I AM A MILK-A-HOLIC

[2dimes]

A big part of the reason for cows lactating too much is the hormones they are given in the US.

Those hormones are illegal in Canada and that is also part of why you cannot import cheese from there.

I suspect, soon enough like the law against putting caffeine in Mountain Dew it will go away. People in Ontario want access to cheaper dairy and don't care about what giant corporations will do to bring down prices.

[mrswdk]

tzor agrees. The less beef and dairy that we eat, the kinder we are to our atmosphere. Therefore consuming lots and lots of beef and dairy is the worst thing we could do, consuming none is the best thing we could do.

No, the question is never binary.

Right. It's not binary, but it's a sliding scale where the further you travel down it, the better you are being for the environment.

For my part I have just swapped out cow's milk for soy milk when having cereal, and have stopped eating beef #GoGreenStayLean

[tzor]

A big part of the reason for cows lactating too much is the hormones they are given in the US.

We have a local small scale dairy farm Goodale Farms where they state the following on their website.

We are not certified organic, nor are we seeking to be. We raise our animals and grow our food the way our ancestors did. We do not use antibiotics, steroids, or growth hormones (BGH or BST). We try to farm as close to nature as we can. However, should the occasion arise where we need to treat an animal or crop to prevent death or loss, we will utilize every option available to us. That animal or product will never be offered to the public until we have cleared any such treatment from its system.

In a recent article in the local online newspaper, the Riverhead Local, PETA protests at Aquebogue dairy farm, the founder of the farm, Hal Goodale, stated, “Mothers produce between five and six pounds of milk per day and calves can only drink about one pound per day. If we don’t milk the mothers they will get sick.”

I think a big reason might be the old fashioned thing ... breeding. There has been a big change in the US over the course of the last century to go from "creamers" to "milkers" or quantity over quality. No one in the US wants milk where the "cream rises to the top" and in fact there is a considerable desire for as thin a milk as possible.

[jonesthecurl]

A big part of the reason for cows lactating too much is the hormones they are given in the US.

We have a local small scale dairy farm Goodale Farms where they state the following on their website.

We are not certified organic, nor are we seeking to be. We raise our animals and grow our food the way our ancestors did. We do not use antibiotics, steroids, or growth hormones (BGH or BST). We try to farm as close to nature as we can. However, should the occasion arise where we need to treat an animal or crop to prevent death or loss, we will utilize every option available to us. That animal or product will never be offered to the public until we have cleared any such treatment from its system.

In a recent article in the local online newspaper, the Riverhead Local, PETA protests at Aquebogue dairy farm, the founder of the farm, Hal Goodale, stated, “Mothers produce between five and six pounds of milk per day and calves can only drink about one pound per day. If we don’t milk the mothers they will get sick.”

I think a big reason might be the old fashioned thing ... breeding. There has been a big change in the US over the course of the last century to go from "creamers" to "milkers" or quantity over quality. No one in the US wants milk where the "cream rises to the top" and in fact there is a considerable desire for as thin a milk as possible.

Same certainly happened in the UK - and the gourmet ice cream scene took off, using the surplus cream... so the punters consumed it anyway.