Europeans maliciously undermine territorial integrity

[mrswdk]

As the new session of the European Parliament opened today, supporters of illegal separatism gathered to agitate for the break up of an EU nation state:



Inside the legislature, anti-democratic politicians refused to stand for the European anthem, in their own display of minority interests of local separatism and usurping of pan-EU cooperation:



These protests are attempts to undermine the European Parliament and Commission's election of its new leaders, at a time where it is crucial to be setting the EU's long-term strategic direction for the next 10 years. Hopefully any mass, violent protests will crushed with swift justice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48838498

[mrswdk]

A deafening silence from the OT community.

No surprises really. Once again, it's not the degree to which you repress your people but how white you're able to look while you do it.

[betiko]

have you noticed that the orange on your signature kind of looks like a vagina?

[jimboston]

A deafening silence from the OT community.

No surprises really. Once again, it's not the degree to which you repress your people but how white you're able to look while you do it.

I’m silent because I don’t know enough about EU politics to make intelligent comments.

Isn’t it better to stay silent if you are uneducated about a subject.

[betiko]

A deafening silence from the OT community.

No surprises really. Once again, it's not the degree to which you repress your people but how white you're able to look while you do it.

I’m silent because I don’t know enough about EU politics to make intelligent comments.

Isn’t it better to stay silent if you are uneducated about a subject.

it's quite difficult to make intelligent comments on stupid troll threads in the first place. Please don't read your news on the OT forum.

[jonesthecurl]

The people turning their backs were the Brexit party, nothing to do with solidarity with Spanish people. The sort of people who refuse to buy tickets to a concert because they're performing the Ode to Joy.
Beethoven was banned in the US during WW1 in places.

[betiko]

The people turning their backs were the Brexit party, nothing to do with solidarity with Spanish people. The sort of people who refuse to buy tickets to a concert because they're performing the Ode to Joy.
Beethoven was banned in the US during WW1 in places.

are you calling mrswdk a fake news agent?

[jonesthecurl]

Merely correcting a misapprehension.

[mrswdk]

There were two separate issues being protested i the photos I posted:

1 - Spanish civilians turned up en masse to protest against the EU-backed subjugation of Catalonia to the rule of Madrid. Catalan MEPs are not even allowed into Parliament because the EU has refused to allow it.

2 - Brexit Party politicians within the Parliament protested against the despotic EU's loyalty display

There were other protests held within the Parliament by other anti-despot MEPs, including a group of MEPs placed photos of the exiled Catalan MEPs on the desks they should rightfully be occupying in tribute to those MEPs' brave stand against the tyranny of Madrid and Brussels.

[DoomYoshi]

I always side with the Storm Troopers.

That's why I make my bed - because the army teaches that is the correct way to do things and the army is never wrong.

[betiko]

There were two separate issues being protested i the photos I posted:

1 - Spanish civilians turned up en masse to protest against the EU-backed subjugation of Catalonia to the rule of Madrid. Catalan MEPs are not even allowed into Parliament because the EU has refused to allow it.

2 - Brexit Party politicians within the Parliament protested against the despotic EU's loyalty display

There were other protests held within the Parliament by other anti-despot MEPs, including a group of MEPs placed photos of the exiled Catalan MEPs on the desks they should rightfully be occupying in tribute to those MEPs' brave stand against the tyranny of Madrid and Brussels.

Oh spanish civilians... so they are spanish right? Do you even understand Spain’s history and how the country was formed ? Do you understand how federalistly rigged the general elections are and how massively over represented independentist parties are in the parliament?
Catalunia is in Spain, therefore is subject to the spanish constitution; doing a referendum on independence is anticonstitutional.

We all know that China should free Tibet and free Falung Gong. What an opressive dictatorship.

[mrswdk]

Catalunia is in Spain, therefore is subject to the spanish constitution; doing a referendum on independence is anticonstitutional.

Despots have to be fought. Sometimes the means are not pretty.

If Spain had real democracy then drastic actions wouldn't be needed. People could debate and vote on the issues.

With debate being censored and votes being largely irrelevant, people have no choice but to turn to other means.

[riskllama]

maybe get back to us on this when the Spanish(or any Western nations) government starts harvesting the organs of its’ own people whilst incarcerated.

[mrswdk]

[Bernie Sanders]

C'mon mrswdk! We call that Torture Light. Stop being so lazy.

[betiko]

Catalunia is in Spain, therefore is subject to the spanish constitution; doing a referendum on independence is anticonstitutional.

Despots have to be fought. Sometimes the means are not pretty.

If Spain had real democracy then drastic actions wouldn't be needed. People could debate and vote on the issues.

With debate being censored and votes being largely irrelevant, people have no choice but to turn to other means.

So why should only Catalunians have this debate and not the whole country? The whole country is 99,9% against it (I suspect there must be a few trolls that would want it to happen for the lulz).
What if I start fighting for my building to become an independent country and 51% of my neighbours agree with it? Can we become an independent country ?

Also they did have a referendum a couple of years ago that was illegal and rigged, with people being able to vote as many times as they wanted. Good for them.
What good would it bring to become independent? I don’t really get it. People are just bored and try to find a purpose in anything.

[mrswdk]

Catalunia is in Spain, therefore is subject to the spanish constitution; doing a referendum on independence is anticonstitutional.

Despots have to be fought. Sometimes the means are not pretty.

If Spain had real democracy then drastic actions wouldn't be needed. People could debate and vote on the issues.

With debate being censored and votes being largely irrelevant, people have no choice but to turn to other means.

So why should only Catalunians have this debate and not the whole country? The whole country is 99,9% against it (I suspect there must be a few trolls that would want it to happen for the lulz).
What if I start fighting for my building to become an independent country and 51% of my neighbours agree with it? Can we become an independent country ?

Also they did have a referendum a couple of years ago that was illegal and rigged, with people being able to vote as many times as they wanted. Good for them.
What good would it bring to become independent? I don’t really get it. People are just bored and try to find a purpose in anything.

Those are good points. Changes in one part of a country affect the entire country, so the entire country plus the national government should therefore have their say. Your comments have enabled me to put this matter in perspective. This is just like the issue of the current protests in Hong Kong or the rabble rousing of separatist minority elements in Taiwan, both of which have ramifications for all of China. As you have said, this sort of separatism or exceptionalism does nothing but harm national unity without benefiting the regions that the trouble-makers claim they wish to help. These sorts of movements should be squashed at source. This is something that China and the EU can both agree on. I will update the OP.

Suck it, Duk. Your revolution ends here.

[betiko]

There you go, Mrswdk once again proves he’s much more manly than saxi

[jimboston]

maybe get back to us on this when the Spanish(or any Western nations) government starts harvesting the organs of its’ own people whilst incarcerated.

[mrswdk]

maybe get back to us on this when the Spanish(or any Western nations) government starts harvesting the organs of its’ own people whilst incarcerated.

riskllama's okay/not okay continuum:

Executions: okay
Killing own citizens in course of arrest: okay
Killing own citizens in illegal drone strikes: okay
Overthrowing whole governments throwing countries into chaos: okay
Torturing prisoners: okay
Putting prisoners into slavery: okay
Recycling executed prisoners' organs into the medical system*: OUTRAGEOUS AND GROSS VIOLATION OF HUMANITY


*the only thing he can think of that only China has been proven to do

[jimboston]

I think you are putting words into his mouth.

I don’t think he’s ever said most of that was OK.

[mrswdk]

The organ donoring is the one thing that makes me not allowed to comment on European politics at all (in my apparent role as a representative of the Chinese central government, according to riskllama aka riskMcCarthy).

[jimboston]

The organ donoring is the one thing that makes me not allowed to comment on European politics at all (in my apparent role as a representative of the Chinese central government, according to riskllama aka riskMcCarthy).

I don’t think anyone’s stopped you from commenting.

Did I miss something?

No one stops you... we just point out your obvious flaws and blind spots.

[waauw]

I'm finding myself uneasy with this topic, if only because I'm becoming more and more Flemish separatist minded myself.

[DoomYoshi]

I'm pretty sure that all European constitutions include clauses on the inviolability of borders.

If you start violating borders, you negate the constitutions and you negate the very building blocks of constitutional democracy, which is what Western Civilization is based on.

That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, we are due for another dark ages. I'm still young enough to benefit from total system collapse, so as of such I am now a Flemish separatist.

Hooray for Flanders!

Quick question though: does Flanders' independence include bringing Brussels with it, or leaving the capital behind?