cure for rising ocean levels

[mookiemcgee]

Stupid moron, we import the ethanol.

We also want to eliminate sugar cane from Florida as it's causing blue/green algae in our waterways and it's also causing red tide in Florida coastal areas.

Sorry about the name calling, you fukn idiot.

And you are gonna ship it all here on sailboats right, so there is no environmental impact?

[spurgistan]

Stupid moron, we import the ethanol.

We also want to eliminate sugar cane from Florida as it's causing blue/green algae in our waterways and it's also causing red tide in Florida coastal areas.

Sorry about the name calling, you fukn idiot.

And you are gonna ship it all here on sailboats right, so there is no environmental impact?

Sugarcane ethanol is probably a little better than just using gas, depending on how you grow the sugarcane. It's not a solution, but it's better.

[mookiemcgee]

Stupid moron, we import the ethanol.

We also want to eliminate sugar cane from Florida as it's causing blue/green algae in our waterways and it's also causing red tide in Florida coastal areas.

Sorry about the name calling, you fukn idiot.

And you are gonna ship it all here on sailboats right, so there is no environmental impact?

Sugarcane ethanol is probably a little better than just using gas, depending on how you grow the sugarcane. It's not a solution, but it's better.

It's better Ethanol, and it sure makes sense in area's where you can grow it. Corn, as much as I don't love it, makes sense in USA. There are other options as well, but growin sugarcane is just not a viable option for America.

If we are growing the corn anyway, and there is a surplus now because we use less for "food and beverage sweetening" , and no one is arguing we could replace it with sugar cane. Then what is the alternative you guys are suggesting? Is there a magical new crop that produces the energy output of sugar cane, but will grow great in Iowa that I am not aware of? Or are you suggesting grow less of anything in Iowa, and import more ethanol from Brazil ? Import more, produce less?

Interestingly we already do import a lot of sugar cane ethanol from Brazil, and we export a lot of corn ethanol to Brazil. The real argument isn't which ethanol is better (as I've explained above it's irrelevant), it's what is the best use of any given country's land and how are they making the ethanol and from what parts of the crop.

Environmentally best goal for USA is ethanol is made from Biowaste (corn stalks etc), and the food part is used as food. In contrast the market is clearly pushing things towards using more and more actual food as biofuel (which limits it's positive impact environmentally). I think the longer term debate is as energy cost go up over time, what decision do gov'ts/society have to make about putting rules on how much "arable land" can be used for energy production instead of being used to actually feed people (cheaply).

[Bernie Sanders]

Ethanol was originally used due to poor oil production in America. Remember the oil embargo in 1973?

We now have enough oil production America.

Eliminate ethanol from gas.

[mookiemcgee]

Ethanol was originally used due to poor oil production in America. Remember the oil embargo in 1973?

We now have enough oil production America.

Eliminate ethanol from gas.

Bernies solution is burn more fossil fuel?

[Bernie Sanders]

Ethanol was originally used due to poor oil production in America. Remember the oil embargo in 1973?

We now have enough oil production America.

Eliminate ethanol from gas.

Bernies solution is burn more fossil fuel?

Wrong again Mookie!

If ethanol is less efficient than gasoline and can even damage cars, why is it being blended and sold? First, gasoline blended with ethanol burns cleaner than pure gasoline. Ethanol cuts a car's greenhouse gas emissions. ... The second reason is that ethanol comes from corn, and it is big business.Mar 31, 2014

[mookiemcgee]

Ethanol was originally used due to poor oil production in America. Remember the oil embargo in 1973?

We now have enough oil production America.

Eliminate ethanol from gas.

Bernies solution is burn more fossil fuel?

Wrong again Mookie!

If ethanol is less efficient than gasoline and can even damage cars, why is it being blended and sold? First, gasoline blended with ethanol burns cleaner than pure gasoline. Ethanol cuts a car's greenhouse gas emissions. ... The second reason is that ethanol comes from corn, and it is big business.Mar 31, 2014

So what are you saying? You just said you want to use pure gasoline free from ethanol, but I thought you wanted to lower emissions? What do the farmers in Iowa do with their crop now that 40% of their sales disappears overnight? The next logical step for them is to sell the ethanol overseas, leading to even more environmental impact (shipping + eventual use in gas elsewhere). Explain to me again how everyone shipping their fuel all around the world helps the environment?

[Bernie Sanders]

Ethanol was originally used due to poor oil production in America. Remember the oil embargo in 1973?

We now have enough oil production America.

Eliminate ethanol from gas.

Bernies solution is burn more fossil fuel?

Wrong again Mookie!

If ethanol is less efficient than gasoline and can even damage cars, why is it being blended and sold? First, gasoline blended with ethanol burns cleaner than pure gasoline. Ethanol cuts a car's greenhouse gas emissions. ... The second reason is that ethanol comes from corn, and it is big business.Mar 31, 2014

So what are you saying? You just said you want to use pure gasoline free from ethanol, but I thought you wanted to lower emissions? What do the farmers in Iowa do with their crop now that 40% of their sales disappears overnight? The next logical step for them is to sell the ethanol overseas, leading to even more environmental impact (shipping + eventual use in gas elsewhere). Explain to me again how everyone shipping their fuel all around the world helps the environment?

It helps Big business Mookie. That's what you want, right?

Fuk the Iowa farmers! We can't subsidize these Socialist bastards forever. Once the electric cars become the standard mode of travel....what about those poor farmers?

The world population continues to grow. Their market will grow with it.

I guess I'm unAmerican cause I drive an economy car, huh? Those poor farmers....

[riskllama]

why can’t they grow something other than corn?

[mookiemcgee]

why can’t they grow something other than corn?

They totally can, just not sugar cane.

Here's a smart answer to the question on Quora:

A lot of economic factors come into play when deciding what to plant. However, much of it can be simplified to an explanation around specialization. Labor, infrastructure, climate, history, and access to markets are all important. Also keep in mind specialization is often more efficient itself, regardless of geography.

You can grow pretty much anything in the (humid) Midwest that doesn't require a subtropical or tropical habitat. The soil is black (extremely fertile) and farms are rainfed. However, the Corn Belt is extremely well-suited for corn, and corn is extremely well-suited for the Corn Belt.

Corn is well-suited for industrialization. It's a commodity grain so yield driven, stores well, ships well, and produces pretty much the most calories (starch) per acre you can get. It also happens to work well with soybeans.

Iowa is well-suited to industrialization. The fields are flat, rectangular, rainfed (in E. Iowa), and extremely fertile. This is perfect for mechanization. So Iowa is good for corn.

So yeah, you could grow vegetables, but you have the opportunity cost of not growing corn on land that's perfect for it.

[Bernie Sanders]

Get over the sugar cane.

Hey, they can grow sugar beats

[jusplay4fun]

Let me show you why it is pointless to try to debate fake burnie and try to engage him in intelligent discussions. He keeps changing his premise and his position. So fake burnie, are you for against ethanol? Are you for or against adding ethanol to gasoline?

And when fake burnie gets caught in a conundrum, he wants to launch into profanity and discuss of sex, two of his favorite "go to" comments that are banal, superfluous, and supercilious.

Crazy and Fake Burnie tries to debate and tries to sound intelligent:

Re: cure for rising ocean levels
by Bernie Sanders on Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:32 am

hotfire wrote:Ethanol to reduce pollution... ummmmm. No. Ethanol to make farmers happy. Ethanol is a giant waste of resources.

Exactly

NOTE his post here:
Re: cure for rising ocean levels
by Bernie Sanders on Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:16 am

This is after I explain to fake burnie why ethanol is added to gasoline with my copy and paste that he JUS LOVES and gushes warmly about how well I did that and how clear and cogent my argument is. Note his post on Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:45 pm (further down in this post).

We need to eliminate ethanol subsidies. This will cause ethanol production to collapse.

Better to use the farm acreage for food production

Re: cure for rising ocean levels
by Bernie Sanders on Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:16 pm

Ethanol was originally used due to poor oil production in America. Remember the oil embargo in 1973?

We now have enough oil production America.

Eliminate ethanol from gas.

Re: cure for rising ocean levels
by Bernie Sanders on Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:45 pm

Wrong again Mookie!

If ethanol is less efficient than gasoline and can even damage cars, why is it being blended and sold? First, gasoline blended with ethanol burns cleaner than pure gasoline. Ethanol cuts a car's greenhouse gas emissions. ... The second reason is that ethanol comes from corn, and it is big business.Mar 31, 2014

And Mar 31, 2014: what is that? Is that bad use of a source? Did you fail to learn my lesson that I sent you on how to cut and paste? Is that the date we stopped using ethanol in gasoline? The day corn grew up and went from "small potatoes" to big business? Please explain that, fake burn. The CC world is holding its breath, waiting on you.

[Bernie Sanders]

Let me show you why it is pointless to try to debate fake burnie and try to engage him in intelligent discussions. He keeps changing his premise and his position. So fake burnie, are you for against ethanol? Are you for or against adding ethanol to gasoline?

And when fake burnie gets caught in a conundrum, he wants to launch into profanity and discuss of sex, two of his favorite "go to" comments that are banal, superfluous, and supercilious.

Crazy and Fake Burnie tries to debate and tries to sound intelligent:

Re: cure for rising ocean levels
by Bernie Sanders on Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:32 am

hotfire wrote:Ethanol to reduce pollution... ummmmm. No. Ethanol to make farmers happy. Ethanol is a giant waste of resources.

Exactly

NOTE his post here:
Re: cure for rising ocean levels
by Bernie Sanders on Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:16 am

This is after I explain to fake burnie why ethanol is added to gasoline with my copy and paste that he JUS LOVES and gushes warmly about how well I did that and how clear and cogent my argument is. Note his post on Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:45 pm (further down in this post).

We need to eliminate ethanol subsidies. This will cause ethanol production to collapse.

Better to use the farm acreage for food production

Re: cure for rising ocean levels
by Bernie Sanders on Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:16 pm

Ethanol was originally used due to poor oil production in America. Remember the oil embargo in 1973?

We now have enough oil production America.

Eliminate ethanol from gas.

Re: cure for rising ocean levels
by Bernie Sanders on Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:45 pm

Wrong again Mookie!

If ethanol is less efficient than gasoline and can even damage cars, why is it being blended and sold? First, gasoline blended with ethanol burns cleaner than pure gasoline. Ethanol cuts a car's greenhouse gas emissions. ... The second reason is that ethanol comes from corn, and it is big business.Mar 31, 2014

And Mar 31, 2014: what is that? Is that bad use of a source? Did you fail to learn my lesson that I sent you on how to cut and paste? Is that the date we stopped using ethanol in gasoline? The day corn grew up and went from "small potatoes" to big business? Please explain that, fake burn. The CC world is holding its breath, waiting on you.

I made it perfectly clear son. Read and comprehend.

We don't need ethanol. It's a heavily subsidized product that keeps food prices high. We fukn feed our livestock with corn.

Fuk the ethanol! Have I made myself clear on this issue? Or do you want to get Daddy upset?

[NomadPatriot]

The trouble with Brazil’s much-celebrated ethanol ‘miracle’

Today, just 7 percent of the original Atlantic rainforest remains–and sugar producers are busily tearing into that precious remnant as ethanol production kicks up. In the last year alone, Kozloff writes, the government has had to fine two dozen companies for illegally clearing some 143,000 acres of Atlantic rainforest to plane sugarcane.

The explosion in cane-based ethanol has potentially dire implications for the Amazon rainforest, too. I shouldn’t have to note that the Amazon is one of the globe’s great climate-stabilizing assets. It’s also home to groups who have been living there for generations–making use of its resources without destroying them. Any “green” fuel that triggers Amazon deforestation and displaces people is an abomination. Even though sugarcane doesn’t do very well in wet conditions, “hundreds of thousands of acres of sugar cane have been planted in the Amazon,”

https://grist.org/article/2010-04-13-raising-cane-the-trouble-with-brazils-much-celebrated-ethanol-mi/

destroying 93% of a rainforest has nothing to due with global warming.. .. nothing.. right Bernie...?

[jusplay4fun]

I am happy to upset fake burn and fake dad. As usual, when you try to sound intelligent, you fail miserably. And so you then return to your tired "playbook" of "great" comments.

Keep on posting those wonderful, happy, positive comments, fake burn. You are such a curmudgeon.

And you failed to answer the question of March 31, 2014. What is that? A mental "burp"?

[Bernie Sanders]

The trouble with Brazil’s much-celebrated ethanol ‘miracle’

Today, just 7 percent of the original Atlantic rainforest remains–and sugar producers are busily tearing into that precious remnant as ethanol production kicks up. In the last year alone, Kozloff writes, the government has had to fine two dozen companies for illegally clearing some 143,000 acres of Atlantic rainforest to plane sugarcane.

The explosion in cane-based ethanol has potentially dire implications for the Amazon rainforest, too. I shouldn’t have to note that the Amazon is one of the globe’s great climate-stabilizing assets. It’s also home to groups who have been living there for generations–making use of its resources without destroying them. Any “green” fuel that triggers Amazon deforestation and displaces people is an abomination. Even though sugarcane doesn’t do very well in wet conditions, “hundreds of thousands of acres of sugar cane have been planted in the Amazon,”

https://grist.org/article/2010-04-13-raising-cane-the-trouble-with-brazils-much-celebrated-ethanol-mi/

destroying 93% of a rainforest has nothing to due with global warming.. .. nothing.. right Bernie...?

You made it clear that man has nothing to do with climate change or the rising oceans.......And you believe in unregulated Capitalism.......Fuk the rainforest amirite?

....and those Howling Monkees need to be extinguished. Fukn noisy and they piss and fling shit at you.

[jusplay4fun]

So what does the fake burnie say about man-made global warming?

Does fake burn agree with it or believe that man-made global warming is FAKE news and is NOT true??

Again, it is difficult to understand you and what you stand for, other than profanity, insulting others, and weird sex. Your tirades include quotes from others, misplaced profanity and disgusting insults that are not germane to the question at hand. Those make your pronouncement and positions unintelligent. (......I AM SHOCKED at this....)

bernie sanders said:

You made it clear that man has nothing to do with climate change or the rising oceans.......And you believe in unregulated Capitalism.......Fuk the rainforest amirite?

....and those Howling Monkees need to be extinguished. Fukn noisy and they piss and fling shit at you.

[riskllama]

it's too bad you weren't around when fake bern first showed up in the forums around here, jusplay - one of his earliest posts saw him called out & busted for plagiarism by PhatScotty? was a while back so, you might have trouble finding it now, was funny tho.

[jusplay4fun]

fake burn is rather quiet. I am still waiting for his profanity laced diatribe against me or against both of us,, RL....

cos, dat's wat fake burn does.

Let me know if you can think of that forum thread; I will be interested in reading more fake stuff from the fake burn.

Thanks, RL

[Bernie Sanders]

fake burn is rather quiet. I am still waiting for his profanity laced diatribe against me or against both of us,, RL....

cos, dat's wat fake burn does.

Let me know if you can think of that forum thread; I will be interested in reading more fake stuff from the fake burn.

Thanks, RL

Get over me son.

I left my little blue baby and your Mother. It's amazing tho....a fukn miracle that you are able to type out one simple sentence considering your Mom's body was a pharmaceutical dumping ground.

[Bernie Sanders]

it's too bad you weren't around when fake bern first showed up in the forums around here, jusplay - one of his earliest posts saw him called out & busted for plagiarism by PhatScotty? was a while back so, you might have trouble finding it now, was funny tho.

Llama boy, I simply forgot to do a full quote on that so-called plagiarism which you love to mention.

You were and still are butt hurt cause I was picking on you.

PhatScotty is just another rightwinger who was absolutely obsessed with me.

Now go back to your short little one sentence replies. I do apologize for picking on you in the past about your weight problem and using your dinner plate as a cigarette ashstray.

[NomadPatriot]

gotta love the tolerance & non-hate that comes from the Left..

[jusplay4fun]

fake burn is wrong, again. The oil embargo of 1973 by OPEC is not what spurred ethanol production. I took time to research the issue and found the following. fake burn, you fail miserably when you TRY to show how intelligent you are. Admit it, you are JUS STOOOPID. And you plagiarize, too. As that wise character and wise guy, Bugs Bunny, said, "what a maroon".

Gasoline containing up to 10% ethanol began a decades-long growth in the United States in the late 1970s. The demand for ethanol produced from field corn was spurred by the discovery that methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE) was contaminating groundwater.[27][30] MTBE's use as an oxygenate additive was widespread due to mandates in the Clean Air Act amendments of 1992 to reduce carbon monoxide emissions. MTBE in gasoline had been banned in almost 20 states by 2006. Suppliers were concerned about potential litigation and a 2005 court decision denying legal protection for MTBE.[citation needed] MTBE's fall from grace opened a new market for ethanol, its primary substitute.[27] Corn prices at the time were around US$2 a bushel.[citation needed] Farmers saw a new market and increased production. This demand shift took place at a time when oil prices were rising.

The steep growth in twenty-first century ethanol consumption was driven by federal legislation aimed to reduce oil consumption and enhance energy security. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 required use of 7.5×109 US gal (28×106 m3) of renewable fuel by 2012, and the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 raised the standard, to 36×109 US gal (140×106 m3) of annual renewable fuel use by 2022. Of this requirement, 21×109 US gal (79×106 m3) had to be advanced biofuels, defined as renewable fuels that reduce greenhouse gas emissions by at least 50%.[15][31][32]

Ethanol was originally used due to poor oil production in America. Remember the oil embargo in 1973?

We now have enough oil production America.

Eliminate ethanol from gas.

[riskllama]

it's too bad you weren't around when fake bern first showed up in the forums around here, jusplay - one of his earliest posts saw him called out & busted for plagiarism by PhatScotty? was a while back so, you might have trouble finding it now, was funny tho.

Llama boy, I simply forgot to do a full quote on that so-called plagiarism which you love to mention.

You were and still are butt hurt cause I was picking on you.

PhatScotty is just another rightwinger who was absolutely obsessed with me.

Now go back to your short little one sentence replies. I do apologize for picking on you in the past about your weight problem and using your dinner plate as a cigarette ashstray.

no, you were outright busted for plagiarism. but, you did at least own up to it, iirc - have a toffee... .

[Bernie Sanders]

fake burn is wrong, again. The oil embargo of 1973 by OPEC is not what spurred ethanol production. I took time to research the issue and found the following. fake burn, you fail miserably when you TRY to show how intelligent you are. Admit it, you are JUS STOOOPID. And you plagiarize, too. As that wise character and wise guy, Bugs Bunny, said, "what a maroon".

Gasoline containing up to 10% ethanol began a decades-long growth in the United States in the late 1970s. The demand for ethanol produced from field corn was spurred by the discovery that methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE) was contaminating groundwater.[27][30] MTBE's use as an oxygenate additive was widespread due to mandates in the Clean Air Act amendments of 1992 to reduce carbon monoxide emissions. MTBE in gasoline had been banned in almost 20 states by 2006. Suppliers were concerned about potential litigation and a 2005 court decision denying legal protection for MTBE.[citation needed] MTBE's fall from grace opened a new market for ethanol, its primary substitute.[27] Corn prices at the time were around US$2 a bushel.[citation needed] Farmers saw a new market and increased production. This demand shift took place at a time when oil prices were rising.

The steep growth in twenty-first century ethanol consumption was driven by federal legislation aimed to reduce oil consumption and enhance energy security. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 required use of 7.5×109 US gal (28×106 m3) of renewable fuel by 2012, and the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 raised the standard, to 36×109 US gal (140×106 m3) of annual renewable fuel use by 2022. Of this requirement, 21×109 US gal (79×106 m3) had to be advanced biofuels, defined as renewable fuels that reduce greenhouse gas emissions by at least 50%.[15][31][32]

Ethanol was originally used due to poor oil production in America. Remember the oil embargo in 1973?

We now have enough oil production America.

Eliminate ethanol from gas.

Funny son, you don't even comprehend what you copy/paste

Stop embarrassing yourself. ROTFLMAO!