Growing Iceland, Greenland glaciers make scientists gasp

[jusplay4fun]

Here is another example of over-simplification of facts. Have you ever heard of Plate Tectonics?

And have you heard about the impact of CO2 on atmospheric temperatures?

And you realize those took Millions of year. But the latest SPIKE in temperature (that is man-made Global Warming) is an outlier?

And you also believe the Ice Ages were caused by Man, too, RIGHT?

Are we denying dinosaurs and the climate to support tropical plants existed in Canada once, or were those high temperatures also caused by "human activity"?

[NomadPatriot]

Are we denying dinosaurs and the climate to support tropical plants existed in Canada once, or were those high temperatures also caused by "human activity"?

don't talk about dinosaurs.. they lived for about 1 billion years.. deforesting the planet & emitting massive amounts of CO2... JP doesn't think that is "credible"..

plants breathe carbon dioxide CO2..
more CO2 = bigger & more lush plants will be..
bigger plants = more food
bigger plants = more oxygen
more oxygen = healthier more efficient humans
a greener planet = human survival
a greener planet = less CO2

the entire idea of global chaos climate warming change shouldn't matter anyways.. if you believe in that science. .then you believe in Evolution.. humans will just evolve to survive in the new climate.. just like we did 20,000 years ago when the ice age was going on..


personally I would prefer a few hot days in the summer than 3 miles of ice over the dirt..

The Last Glacial Period (LGP) occurred from the end of the Eemian to the end of the Younger Dryas, encompassing the period c. 115,000 – c. 11,700 years ago

that's over 100,000 years of a frozen planet..

but hey I guess humans caused the glaciers to melt..
oh wait:

Scientists from the Center for Arctic Gas Hydrate, Environment (CAGE) and Climate at the Arctic University of Norway, published a study in June 2017[31] describing over a hundred ocean sediment craters, some 3,000 meters wide and up to 300 meters deep, formed by explosive eruptions of methane from destabilized methane hydrates, following ice-sheet retreat during the last glacial period, around 12,000 years ago. These areas around the Barents Sea still seep methane today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period

notice the last sentence " These areas around the Barents Sea still seep methane today."..
this has nothing to do with humans.. these methane pockets ended the ice age.. they are STILL SEEPING METHANE TODAY... they have been seeping methane for the past 12,000 years...
but humans.. it's all humans fault..
couldn't have anything o do with what caused the ice age to end.. the very thing that is still seeping methane to this day..

[jusplay4fun]

Let me attempt to answer most of the questions and assumptions made by NomadPatriot (NP).

This one article answers most of these questions and supports most of the key issues that I have already addressed. If one were to research the matter (as I have to some extent), one would find similar facts and explanations given by many climate scientists. Again, 97% of climate scientists agree with the main points of Global Warming.

Scientists are trained to look at facts and evidence and then draw conclusions. Right wing pundits start with a false premise and look for isolated facts to support that false premise. Read what scientists conclude, not isolated things alleged by those who do not understand science or choose to ignore Science and facts.

Here is my source and my expert:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/cause-ice-age/

What Triggers Ice Ages?
During the past billion years, the Earth's climate has fluctuated between warm periods—sometimes even completely ice-free—and cold periods, when glaciers scour the continents. In this article, climate scientist Kirk Maasch offers perspective on these historic changes, including the likely causes of the last great ice age—which contrary to common knowledge, we are still in the midst of.

BYKIRK MAASCH WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 1, 1997

First of all, weather and climate is a very complex phenomenon.

Although the exact causes for ice ages, and the glacial cycles within them, have not been proven, they are most likely the result of a complicated dynamic interaction between such things as solar output, distance of the Earth from the sun, position and height of the continents, ocean circulation, and the composition of the atmosphere.

Things change and the weather in Canada NOW is NOT the same throughout the approximate 4 billions years the earth has existed. This was a false assumption posted in this thread.

Between 52 and 57 million years ago, the Earth was relatively warm. Tropical conditions actually extended all the way into the mid-latitudes (around northern Spain or the central United States for example), polar regions experienced temperate climates, and the difference in temperature between the equator and pole was much smaller than it is today. Indeed it was so warm that trees grew in both the Arctic and Antarctic, and alligators lived in Ellesmere Island at 78 degrees North.

So tropical plants could have existed in Canada a LONG time ago. This does not deny current Global Warming.

And while we are at it, evolution takes LOTS of time; it does not happen that quickly in humans but takes many generation. I was reading an article recently about humans adapting to thin air in mountainous areas (such as Tibet and Andes highlands). Humans cannot adapt to such things in one lifetime. And flood waters do not allow quick adaptations. Humans living near the oceans will be forced to MOVE and will not develop gills to adapt in a few generations (to offer a similar hyperbole as have been already made by others).

Between 20 and 16 million years ago, there was a brief respite from the big chill, but this was followed by a second major cooling period so intense that by 7 million years ago southeastern Greenland was completely covered with glaciers, and by 5-6 million years ago, the glaciers were creeping into Scandinavia and the northern Pacific region. The Earth was once more released from the grip of the big chill between 5 and 3 million years ago, when the sea was much warmer around North America and the Antarctic than it is today. Warm-weather plants grew in Northern Europe where today they cannot survive, and trees grew in Iceland, Greenland, and Canada as far north as 82 degrees North.

We are still in the midst of the third major cooling period that began around 3 million years ago, and its effect can be seen around the world, perhaps even in the development of our own species. Around 2 and a half million years ago, tundra-like conditions took over north-central Europe. Soon thereafter, the once-humid environment of Central China was replaced by harsh continental steppe. And in sub-Saharan Africa, arid and open grasslands expanded, replacing more wooded, wetter environments. Many paleontologists believe that this environmental change is linked to the evolution of humankind.

I know some Chemistry and note the STOICHIOMETRY of burning octane, one main component of Gasoline: 2 C8H18 + 25 O2 ---> 16 CO2 + 18 H2O The key here is that 2 parts gasoline (octane, C8 H18) releases 16 parts of CO2

Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide
Changes in the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are a strong candidate to explain the overall pattern of climatic change. Carbon dioxide influences the mean global temperature through the greenhouse effect. The globally averaged surface temperature for the Earth is approximately 15 degrees Celsius, and this is due largely to the greenhouse effect. Solar radiation entering earth's atmosphere is predominantly short wave, while heat radiated from the Earth's surface is long wave. Water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and other trace gases in the Earth's atmosphere absorb this long wave radiation. Because the Earth does not allow this long wave radiation to leave, the solar energy is trapped and the net effect is to warm the Earth. If not for the presence of an atmosphere, the surface temperature on earth would be well below the freezing point of water.

Through a million year period, the average amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is affected by four fluxes: flux of carbon due to (1) metamorphic degassing, (2) weathering of organic carbon, (3) weathering of silicates, (4) burial of organic carbon. Degassing reactions associated with volcanic activity and the combining of organic carbon with oxygen release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Conversely, the burial of organic matter removes carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

As I already said, plate tectonics is a key to understanding Climate Change over the earth's long history. ONE key that many deniers do not comprehend or totally ignore is the RATE of the change. Humans have accelerated the rate of temperature change that the release of CO2 causes.

Climate change on ultra-long time scales (tens of millions of years) are more than likely connected to plate tectonics. Plate motions lead to cycles of ocean basin growth and destruction, known as Wilson cycles, involving continental rifting, seafloor-spreading, subduction, and collision. Several explanations of the latest cooling trend that involve a climate-tectonic connection are summarized below.

[NomadPatriot]

Let me attempt to answer most of the questions and assumptions made by NomadPatriot (NP).

I haven't posted any questions.. nor posted any assumptions regarding this Global Warming idea...

1) initially I quoted from the article I linked too..

2) then I referenced how the terminology keeps changing to fit the new narrative being pushed..

3) I quoted Scientists from the Center for Arctic Gas Hydrate, Environment (CAGE) and Climate at the Arctic University of Norway, I guess those scientists are different from JP's 'scientists'. so their information isn't relevant.

4) I posted my personal opinion about preferring a few hot days over a frozen planet

5) I referenced the time frame of the last ice age..

6) I made a joke about evolution.. ( which flew so far over JP's head he yelled grenade & jumped in a ditch)

no questions.. no assumptions..

seems JP "started with a False Premise" himself.. interesting mirror effect indeed

Right wing pundits start with a false premise and look for isolated facts to support that false premise

but here are some fun facts … ( they might remind you of something) :

13 Most Ridiculous Predictions Made on Earth Day, 1970

1.“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” — Harvard biologist George Wald

2.“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.” — Washington University biologist Barry Commoner

3.“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.” — New York Times editorial

4.“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.” — Stanford University biologist Paul Ehrlich

5.“Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born… [By 1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.” — Paul Ehrlich

6.“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” — Denis Hayes, Chief organizer for Earth Day

7.“Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions…. By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.” — North Texas State University professor Peter Gunter

8.“In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution… by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.” — Life magazine

9.“At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt

10.“Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” — Paul Ehrlich

11.“By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate… that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, ‘Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, ‘I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt

12.“[One] theory assumes that the earth’s cloud cover will continue to thicken as more dust, fumes, and water vapor are belched into the atmosphere by industrial smokestacks and jet planes. Screened from the sun’s heat, the planet will cool, the water vapor will fall and freeze, and a new Ice Age will be born.” — Newsweek magazine

13.“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.” — Kenneth Watt

https://www.climatedepot.com/2017/04/22 ... -day-1970/

[jusplay4fun]

It does not appear that NP understand the EXTENT of CO2 emissions. Read my Stoichiometry explanation in my previous post a few minutes ago using Octane (C8H18).

Carbon dioxide emissions rise to 2.4 million pounds per second THIS IS A HUGE amount and overwhelms any methane release from natural sources.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/carbon-dio ... er-second/

The amount of heat-trapping pollution the world spewed rose again last year by 3 percent. So scientists say it's now unlikely that global warming can be limited to a couple of degrees, which is an international goal.
The overwhelming majority of the increase was from China, the world's biggest carbon dioxide polluter. Of the planet's top 10 polluters, the United States and Germany were the only countries that reduced their carbon dioxide emissions.


Last year, all the world's nations combined pumped nearly 38.2 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the air from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil, according to new international calculations on global emissions published Sunday in the journal Nature Climate Change. That's about a billion tons more than the previous year.

Are we denying dinosaurs and the climate to support tropical plants existed in Canada once, or were those high temperatures also caused by "human activity"?

don't talk about dinosaurs.. they lived for about 1 billion years.. deforesting the planet & emitting massive amounts of CO2... JP doesn't think that is "credible"..

plants breathe carbon dioxide CO2..
more CO2 = bigger & more lush plants will be..
bigger plants = more food
bigger plants = more oxygen
more oxygen = healthier more efficient humans
a greener planet = human survival
a greener planet = less CO2

the entire idea of global chaos climate warming change shouldn't matter anyways.. if you believe in that science. .then you believe in Evolution.. humans will just evolve to survive in the new climate.. just like we did 20,000 years ago when the ice age was going on..


personally I would prefer a few hot days in the summer than 3 miles of ice over the dirt..

The Last Glacial Period (LGP) occurred from the end of the Eemian to the end of the Younger Dryas, encompassing the period c. 115,000 – c. 11,700 years ago

that's over 100,000 years of a frozen planet..

but hey I guess humans caused the glaciers to melt..
oh wait:

Scientists from the Center for Arctic Gas Hydrate, Environment (CAGE) and Climate at the Arctic University of Norway, published a study in June 2017[31] describing over a hundred ocean sediment craters, some 3,000 meters wide and up to 300 meters deep, formed by explosive eruptions of methane from destabilized methane hydrates, following ice-sheet retreat during the last glacial period, around 12,000 years ago. These areas around the Barents Sea still seep methane today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period

notice the last sentence " These areas around the Barents Sea still seep methane today."..
this has nothing to do with humans.. these methane pockets ended the ice age.. they are STILL SEEPING METHANE TODAY... they have been seeping methane for the past 12,000 years...
but humans.. it's all humans fault..
couldn't have anything o do with what caused the ice age to end.. the very thing that is still seeping methane to this day..

[jusplay4fun]

To put it very simply, NP chooses to

1) ignore the science or

2) does not understand the science.

[NomadPatriot]

sure thing JP

Gore’s Predictions Fall Flat

13 years after Al Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” guilt/fear producing predictions, let’s close by examining just how accurate his “science” proved to be on his way to the bank.

1. Rising Sea Levels – inaccurate and misleading. Al was even discovered
purchasing a beachfront mansion!

2. Increased Tornadoes – declining for decades.

3. New Ice Age in Europe – they’ve been spared; it never happened.

4. South Sahara Drying Up – completely untrue.

5. Massive Flooding in China and India – again didn’t happen.

6. Melting Arctic – false – 2015 represents the largest refreezing in years.

7. Polar Bear Extinction – actually they are increasing!

8. Temperature Increases Due to CO2 – no significant rising for over 18 years.

9. Katrina a Foreshadow of the Future – false – past 10 years, no F3 hurricanes; “longest drought ever!”

10. The Earth Would be in a “True Planetary Emergency” Within a Decade Unless Drastic Action Taken to Reduce Greenhouse Gasses – never happened

[jusplay4fun]

There is doubt about the bias and credentials of the author of this information. I would argue further that this author (Larry Bell) that NomadPatriot uses is 1) not a climate scientist and 2) is biased and 3) not an expert in Climate Science.

Conclusion: Narrative is NOT destroyed as NP wants to assert. His source is biased and not an expert. Crash go the foundations of the arguments presented by NP.

Larry Bell
CFACT Advisor Larry Bell heads the graduate program in space architecture at the University of Houston. He founded and directs the Sasakawa International Center for Space Architecture. He is also the author of "Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind the Global Warming Hoax."

The above is from the initial article cited by NP. I would argue that this is a very biased source by someone who is NOT a climate scientist and is not an expert in the field.

Larry Bell
Larry Bell, an architecture professor who has not published any peer-reviewed climate research, wrote Climate of Corruption, in which he argues that "politics is responsible for the global warming hoax." Forbes provides Bell a weekly column where he often casts doubt on manmade climate change, which he incorrectly says is "based upon speculative theories, contrived data and totally unproven modeling predictions" when in fact there are several observed lines of evidence of rapid climate change

destroying the narrative;:|May 19th, 2019

It appears that Iceland won’t have to be renamed Tepidlandia anytime soon after all.

According to researchers at the University of Iceland, each of the country’s glaciers will expand this year for the first time in the past 25 years.

As reported in Electroverse, the Hofsjökull, Langjökull, Mýrdalsjökull, and Vatnajökull glaciers have expanded over the last twelve months, from autumn to autumn, “With Mýrdalsjökull showing a really significant addition of ice this year.”

These are the largest glaciers in Iceland: Hofsjökull is third largest after Vatnajökull and Langjökull, while Mýrdalsjökull is the country’s fourth largest ice cap.


https://www.cfact.org/2019/05/19/growing-iceland-greenland-glaciers-makes-scientists-gasp/

[jusplay4fun]

Global Warming Evidence from NASA

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

1) Global Temperature Rise
The planet's average surface temperature has risen about 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.9 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere.4 Most of the warming occurred in the past 35 years, with the five warmest years on record taking place since 2010. Not only was 2016 the warmest year on record, but eight of the 12 months that make up the year — from January through September, with the exception of June — were the warmest on record for those respective months. 5

2) Warming Oceans
The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of more than 0.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969. 6

3) Shrinking Ice Sheets
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost an average of 286 billion tons of ice per year between 1993 and 2016, while Antarctica lost about 127 billion tons of ice per year during the same time period. The rate of Antarctica ice mass loss has tripled in the last decade. 7

4) Glacial Retreat
Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa. 8

5) Decreased Snow Cover

Satellite observations reveal that the amount of spring snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere has decreased over the past five decades and that the snow is melting earlier. 9

6) Sea Level Rise
Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades. 11

7) Extreme Events

The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.
12


Ocean Acidification
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent. 13,14

This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year. 15,16

The evidence is overwhelming. PERIOD.

[jusplay4fun]

Carbon Dioxide increase is a major reason for Global Warming:

Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide

Author:
Rebecca Lindsey
August 1, 2018

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide

The global average atmospheric carbon dioxide in 2017 was 405.0 parts per million (ppm for short), with a range of uncertainty of plus or minus 0.1 ppm. Carbon dioxide levels today are higher than at any point in at least the past 800,000 years.

Highlights:
• Human activities have increased the natural concentration of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, amplifying Earth's natural greenhouse effect.
• The global average amount of carbon dioxide hit a new record high in 2017: 405.0 parts per million.
• The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases, such as those that occurred at the end of the last ice age 11,000-17,000 years ago.

[NomadPatriot]

There is doubt about the bias and credentials of the author of this information. I would argue further that this author (Larry Bell) that NomadPatriot uses is 1) not a climate scientist and 2) is biased and 3) not an expert in Climate Science.Conclusion: Narrative is NOT destroyed as NP wants to assert. His source is biased and not an expert. Crash go the foundations of the arguments presented by NP.

oh I see now JP..

my Scientists ae Biased againist Global Warming..

But your Scientists are NOT biased FOR global warming..

I completely see now..

[NomadPatriot]

isn't it weird how sea levels would rise faster on only 1 side of a continent..?
wouldn't have anything to do with plate tectonics.. because water always finds it's level...

even the image notes ocean topography & land uplifting or subsidience due to global factors as reasons for sea levels rising factors

" Alaska terrain is rising much faster than global sea level rise and local sea levels there have been dropping as a result. Meanwhile, Louisiana is sinking, which contributes to large local sea level rise. It would be hard to figure out global sea level change with just those two tide stations."

https://blog.ucsusa.org/brenda-ekwurzel/how-much-did-sea-levels-rise-over-the-past-50-years-a-lot-if-you-live-on-the-u-s-gulf-or-east-coasts-514

[jusplay4fun]

I cited my sources, NP. Where is yours? I assert that you have found an article of a non-science and BIASED source, as is your first article that started this entire discussion.

It seems that your source is 1) NOT your writing and 2) not worth citing and 3) therefore not worth even considering. Was it written by Larry Bell, too?

Much of what you allege is directly contradicted by data and facts that I already quoted and cited by NASA. Again, you cite NOTHING. Crash goes NP, Crash goes Larry Bell, Crash goes your entire veneer of fake science.

What scientists? You cite NOTHING, except a fake Climate Scientist, Larry Bell, who is a SPACE Architect. So, YES, your so-called scientist is 1) NOT a scientist; 2) is a fake, and 3) is biased, 4) assuming he IS scientist (NOT SO) he is in the minority of the 3%. That is NOT a credible source.

JP

sure thing JP

Gore’s Predictions Fall Flat

13 years after Al Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” guilt/fear producing predictions, let’s close by examining just how accurate his “science” proved to be on his way to the bank.

1. Rising Sea Levels – inaccurate and misleading. Al was even discovered
purchasing a beachfront mansion!

2. Increased Tornadoes – declining for decades.

3. New Ice Age in Europe – they’ve been spared; it never happened.

4. South Sahara Drying Up – completely untrue.

5. Massive Flooding in China and India – again didn’t happen.

6. Melting Arctic – false – 2015 represents the largest refreezing in years.

7. Polar Bear Extinction – actually they are increasing!

8. Temperature Increases Due to CO2 – no significant rising for over 18 years.

9. Katrina a Foreshadow of the Future – false – past 10 years, no F3 hurricanes; “longest drought ever!”

10. The Earth Would be in a “True Planetary Emergency” Within a Decade Unless Drastic Action Taken to Reduce Greenhouse Gasses – never happened

[jusplay4fun]

As I already said, NP does not understand Science. Sea levels are rising on BOTH US Coasts; the article that NP cites says that Sea Levels are rising FASTER in the EAST. His numbers show that.

NP's numbers just says that sea levels are rising faster in the east. The sea levels in the west are NOT staying the same and and NOT declining. Read your article before you refer to it incorrectly and post false information, NP.

JP

isn't it weird how sea levels would rise faster on only 1 side of a continent..?
wouldn't have anything to do with plate tectonics.. because water always finds it's level...

even the image notes ocean topography & land uplifting or subsidience due to global factors as reasons for sea levels rising factors

" Alaska terrain is rising much faster than global sea level rise and local sea levels there have been dropping as a result. Meanwhile, Louisiana is sinking, which contributes to large local sea level rise. It would be hard to figure out global sea level change with just those two tide stations."

https://blog.ucsusa.org/brenda-ekwurzel/how-much-did-sea-levels-rise-over-the-past-50-years-a-lot-if-you-live-on-the-u-s-gulf-or-east-coasts-514

[jusplay4fun]

Really, NP? This is ALL you have to offer?

1) None of these assertions are credible and are thus not worth my refutation.

2) Further, no support is offered. They are unfounded allegations by an unnamed source with NO citation. WORTHLESS dribble.

3) As I already said, most of this has already been refuted by my SOURCE (NASA) and facts that I already posted here.

JP

sure thing JP

Gore’s Predictions Fall Flat

13 years after Al Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” guilt/fear producing predictions, let’s close by examining just how accurate his “science” proved to be on his way to the bank.

1. Rising Sea Levels – inaccurate and misleading. Al was even discovered
purchasing a beachfront mansion!

2. Increased Tornadoes – declining for decades.

3. New Ice Age in Europe – they’ve been spared; it never happened.

4. South Sahara Drying Up – completely untrue.

5. Massive Flooding in China and India – again didn’t happen.

6. Melting Arctic – false – 2015 represents the largest refreezing in years.

7. Polar Bear Extinction – actually they are increasing!

8. Temperature Increases Due to CO2 – no significant rising for over 18 years.

9. Katrina a Foreshadow of the Future – false – past 10 years, no F3 hurricanes; “longest drought ever!”

10. The Earth Would be in a “True Planetary Emergency” Within a Decade Unless Drastic Action Taken to Reduce Greenhouse Gasses – never happened

[jusplay4fun]

Let us look further at NP's source and see what they say about Global Warming:


Union of Concerned Scientists
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Media coverage[edit]
In 1997, the UCS presented their "World Scientists Call For Action" petition to world leaders meeting to negotiate the Kyoto Protocol. The declaration asserted, "A broad consensus among the world's climatologists is that there is now 'a discernible human influence on global climate.'" It urged governments to make "legally binding commitments to reduce industrial nations' emissions of heat-trapping gases", and called global warming "one of the most serious threats to the planet and to future generations."[21] The petition was signed by "more than 1,500 of the world's most distinguished senior scientists, including the majority of Nobel laureates in science."[22][23] When a counter-petition that questioned this so-called "consensus" was signed by more than 17,000 other scientists including 6,000 PhDs, UCS declared it a "deliberate attempt to deceive the scientific community with misinformation."[24]

In February 2004, the UCS received press attention for its publication "Scientific Integrity in Policymaking". The report criticized the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush for "politicizing" science. Some of the allegations include altering information in global warming reports by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and choosing members of scientific advisory panels based on their business interests rather than scientific experience. In July 2004, the UCS released an addendum to the report in which they criticize the Bush administration and allege that reports on West Virginia strip mining had been improperly altered, and that "well-qualified" nominees for government posts such as Nobel laureate Torsten Wiesel were rejected because of political differences. On April 2, 2004, Dr. John Marburger, the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, issued a statement claiming that incident descriptions in the UCS report are "false", "wrong", or "a distortion",[25] and dismissed the report as "biased".[26] UCS rebutted the White House document by saying that Marburger's claims were unjustified. UCS later wrote that since that time, the Bush administration has been virtually silent on the issue.[27]

my source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Concerned_Scientists

isn't it weird how sea levels would rise faster on only 1 side of a continent..?
wouldn't have anything to do with plate tectonics.. because water always finds it's level...

even the image notes ocean topography & land uplifting or subsidience due to global factors as reasons for sea levels rising factors

" Alaska terrain is rising much faster than global sea level rise and local sea levels there have been dropping as a result. Meanwhile, Louisiana is sinking, which contributes to large local sea level rise. It would be hard to figure out global sea level change with just those two tide stations."

https://blog.ucsusa.org/brenda-ekwurzel/how-much-did-sea-levels-rise-over-the-past-50-years-a-lot-if-you-live-on-the-u-s-gulf-or-east-coasts-514

[jusplay4fun]

NP follows this premise: if you cannot dazzle them with facts, dazzle them with (bad) humor and confuse them by throwing crap against the wall.

) I made a joke about evolution.. ( which flew so far over JP's head he yelled grenade & jumped in a ditch)

no questions.. no assumptions..

seems JP "started with a False Premise" himself.. interesting mirror effect indeed

OK....bed time for me. The affirmative side rests its case (and rests his body and mind). Time for NP to turn off the BS faucet, too.

[jusplay4fun]

NP, you forgot to say that the SKY is FALLING>>>!

And the sky fell on your house-of-cards arguments against man-made Global Warming. That house crashed about 3 days ago. Now you are simply piling on more bad data and more BS sources (or NO sources at all). SAD. Debate OVER; drop the MIC.

JP

[NomadPatriot]

holy hell JP got so triggered he needed to post 6 consecutive posts in a row..

drop the MIC.

but It is hilarious you actually wrote out "Drop the Mic"

who actually says " drop the mic" when they get through posting 6 comments in a row.. ?

the point of 'dropping the mic' is to entail you think you made a point . and nothing else needs to be said.. thus you .. 'drop the mic' and stop talking..
you don't literally say " drop the mic"..

also note his posting times:
Jun 20, 2019 1:00 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:05 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:11 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:19 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:25 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:33 am

considering the text size of his postings.. he was literally typing for 33 minutes straight...

fucking triggered!!!!!!!!!!

[Symmetry]

Well, anyway:

Greenland’s ‘unusual’ melting sea ice captured in stunning image

On that day, Greenland is estimated to have lost the equivalent of 2bn tonnes of ice. Temperatures, according to the European Centre for Medium-range Weather Forecasting, were around 22C above normal the day before. In the village of Qaanaaq, a high of 17.3C was recorded.

Ah well, you be you I guess, NP. I genuinely don't know why.

[NomadPatriot]

Ah well, you be you I guess, NP. I genuinely don't know why.

"Temperatures, according to the European Centre for Medium-range Weather Forecasting, were around 22C above normal the day before."

22C above normal temperatures..
above normal temperatures..

normally... everyday it is 22C colder then that day.. & it is frozen.. just so happens .. on the day before .. it was abnormally warm.. for 1 day..

[jusplay4fun]

As I said before, if you cannot dazzle them with facts, attempt to dazzle them with (bad) humor.

NP cannot win the debate on facts. His humor is BAD, and is not even debatable.

I typed, brushed my teeth (THAT means I stopped typing) and then thought of another point. I then did more preparation for bed (that means I urinated, NP), thought some more, and then posted again. That is because I thought of more good arguments against you weak "arguments." When good ideas keep are thought up, I go post them.

Consider yourself swamped by the melted glacier water. (I was going to say snowballed, but most of NP's snowball melted by the heat of Global Warming.)

And "6 consecutive posts in a row" because I had LOTS of good refutations of your weak arguments. NP cannot refute the facts, so he tries to change the subject. That did not work, NP. You need better facts and better humor.

And your calculation and assumption of 33 minutes are incorrect. I looked for facts, read them, made sure they made sense to me, and that I understood them. I do not type dribble. I have also presented similar arguments elsewhere and found them to use here. So your calculation and assumptions are not even valid, NP.

You tried to counter my arguments about rising sea levels (#6 in the NASA evidence post) with one line about that being NOT true with one phrase with NO supporting evidence. That is how you lose a debate, NP. You lose an argument with 1) no refutation; 2) Weak refutation; 3) Weak evidence; 4) a refutation with no evidence. You are guilty of all of those ways.

The "debate" is over; you LOST.

JP

holy hell JP got so triggered he needed to post 6 consecutive posts in a row..

drop the MIC.

but It is hilarious you actually wrote out "Drop the Mic"

who actually says " drop the mic" when they get through posting 6 comments in a row.. ?

the point of 'dropping the mic' is to entail you think you made a point . and nothing else needs to be said.. thus you .. 'drop the mic' and stop talking..
you don't literally say " drop the mic"..

also note his posting times:
Jun 20, 2019 1:00 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:05 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:11 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:19 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:25 am
Jun 20, 2019 1:33 am

considering the text size of his postings.. he was literally typing for 33 minutes straight...

fucking triggered!!!!!!!!!!

[mrswdk]

Crash goes NP, Crash goes Larry Bell, Crash goes your entire veneer of fake science.

1) None of these assertions are credible and are thus not worth my refutation.

2) Further, no support is offered. They are unfounded allegations by an unnamed source with NO citation. WORTHLESS dribble.

OK....bed time for me. The affirmative side rests its case (and rests his body and mind)

[NomadPatriot]

JP.. the hilarious part is you actually thought I was reading your posts..

all I had to do was quick pick 4 sentences in total from your paragraphs of comments, reference some internet url about climate change being debunked and you flew off the handle in a rage every single time.

way to easy bud..
seriously. .
I got you fucking triggered ..
this was hilarious!! let's do it again sometime

( but I am glad you ran over & picked the MIC back up..)