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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby Dukasaur on Tue May 14, 2019 5:25 pm

mrswdk wrote:My favourite is blood sausage:

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And the best thing is, it's made of pig blood so it doesn't even violate the Beef Boycott (#Beefcott2019).


I used to love blood sausage, but the crap they sell in the grocery stores is inedible. When we had the farm and we had our own pigs, my mother used to make the best sausages.

The closest I can manage nowadays is to go to the British shops and get haggis. As much as it pains me to say anything nice about British cuisine, haggis is really good.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby mrswdk on Tue May 14, 2019 6:05 pm

Of all the British food items you could've picked.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue May 14, 2019 7:57 pm

The promised land is the land of milk and honey. All people of the world are lactose intolerant except Europeans.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue May 14, 2019 9:25 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:The promised land is the land of milk and honey. All people of the world are lactose intolerant except Europeans.


Moses was European?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue May 14, 2019 9:36 pm

Moses was never allowed into the promised land.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue May 14, 2019 9:56 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Moses was never allowed into the promised land.

So the rest of the jews were Europeans?

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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue May 14, 2019 10:03 pm

Well, the Semites are a branch of Caucasians...
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby Bernie Sanders on Wed May 15, 2019 11:23 am

DoomYoshi wrote:Well, the Semites are a branch of Caucasians...



So the greatest and most talented JEW ever Sammy Davis Jr. is a branch of Caucasion?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed May 15, 2019 5:01 pm

No, you can't convert to another race. At least not yet. It is only one step removed from transgenderism though.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby Symmetry on Wed May 15, 2019 11:10 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:No, you can't convert to another race. At least not yet. It is only one step removed from transgenderism though.


You can't? Seems like it's a matter of how you identify yourself really.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby tzor on Thu May 16, 2019 3:04 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:The promised land is the land of milk and honey. All people of the world are lactose intolerant except Europeans.


Actually it's not. "Honey" for example, might equally refer to the paste of dates, as the land wasn't known for bee keeping. It is also possible that the "milk" actually refers to white wine, as can be seen when the talk of the land is purely agricultural and as proof grapes were taken.

I'm not an expert on biblical culture but I do point out that the mitzvah against eating a kid boiled in its mother's milk was also starting to be applied across the board, something that would lead to the Kosher laws of today. So it's not like people were drinking a ton of milk all day.

And there is an interesting story about "going to Europe." Asian traders to Europe may have discovered the "gateway drug" to milk tolerance. It appears that Mongolian traders may have processed milk into cheese which is more acceptable to the diet, for their journeys to foreign lands. They also ferment milk as well.

As an interesting side topic "what would Jesus eat" ... would he have eaten a chicken parmigiana sandwich? Ironically, there is nothing wrong with that because at the time, a chicken would have been considered "fowl" not "meat." That only changed in the middle ages because of confusion with Christian terminology that combined fowl and meat into one category for fasting.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri May 17, 2019 4:57 am

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DoomYoshi wrote:The promised land is the land of milk and honey. All people of the world are lactose intolerant except Europeans.


Actually it's not. "Honey" for example, might equally refer to the paste of dates, as the land wasn't known for bee keeping. It is also possible that the "milk" actually refers to white wine, as can be seen when the talk of the land is purely agricultural and as proof grapes were taken.

I'm not an expert on biblical culture but I do point out that the mitzvah against eating a kid boiled in its mother's milk was also starting to be applied across the board, something that would lead to the Kosher laws of today. So it's not like people were drinking a ton of milk all day.

And there is an interesting story about "going to Europe." Asian traders to Europe may have discovered the "gateway drug" to milk tolerance. It appears that Mongolian traders may have processed milk into cheese which is more acceptable to the diet, for their journeys to foreign lands. They also ferment milk as well.

As an interesting side topic "what would Jesus eat" ... would he have eaten a chicken parmigiana sandwich? Ironically, there is nothing wrong with that because at the time, a chicken would have been considered "fowl" not "meat." That only changed in the middle ages because of confusion with Christian terminology that combined fowl and meat into one category for fasting.


Sorry, d'vash is unambiguosly referring to honey. D'vorah means honeybeebee in hebrew (hence the name Deborah meaning honeybee, also Melissa means honeybee but it comes from the greek word for honey). The land is flowing with it, so it shouldn't matter if you need to keep bees or not; bees still existed in the land whether they were kept or not. In Judges 14:8 honey is connected to bees, but there are no verses connecting honey to dates or fruit nectar. I have examined these arguments previously and found them wanting.

The milk as white wine is something new to me. However, I am also going to reject it for now (to be researched at a later date) based on a summary search. There are a couple spots where milk is used in contrast to wine. Proverbs 30:33 does not claim that the churning of white wine makes butter, Isaiah speaks of the abundance of milk making curds, mentions of goat milks, and suckling to get milk. I guess the onus of proof is on you to show how milk might mean white wine. I found 2 possible verses, but only because I was looking for them. They don't, in any way show that milk = white wine though.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby Symmetry on Fri May 17, 2019 5:27 pm

Let's face it, almost everyone in the Bible was rat-faced drunk when they wrote. It's not like they were drinking pure water. They were pissed on weak wine and beer from sunup to sundown.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby mrswdk on Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:56 am

Switching to a plant-based diet can help fight climate change, UN experts have said.

A major report on land use and climate change says the West's high consumption of meat and dairy produce is fuelling global warming.

Climate change poses a threat to the security of our food supply. Rising temperatures, increased rain and more extreme weather events will all have an impact on crops and livestock.

But food production also contributes to global warming. Agriculture - together with forestry - accounts for about a quarter of greenhouse gas emissions. Livestock rearing contributes to global warming through the methane gas the animals produce, but also via deforestation to expand pastures, for example.


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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby NomadPatriot on Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:02 pm

slaughtering chickens, pigs & fish is ok.. just not cows..
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby tzor on Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:10 pm

There's no need for you to fear, Mr. Bison ... he is near!

Bison Returned From the Brink Just in Time for Climate Change

Now I really feel like going to my local restaurant that sells bison raised on it's own local farm.
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby mookiemcgee on Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:31 pm

tzor wrote:There's no need for you to fear, Mr. Bison ... he is near!

Bison Returned From the Brink Just in Time for Climate Change

Now I really feel like going to my local restaurant that sells bison raised on it's own local farm.


Do the Hindu's have a stated position on the holiness of Bison?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:59 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:
tzor wrote:There's no need for you to fear, Mr. Bison ... he is near!

Bison Returned From the Brink Just in Time for Climate Change

Now I really feel like going to my local restaurant that sells bison raised on it's own local farm.


Do the Hindu's have a stated position on the holiness of Bison?


Have you asked?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby mookiemcgee on Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:09 pm

Symmetry wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
tzor wrote:There's no need for you to fear, Mr. Bison ... he is near!

Bison Returned From the Brink Just in Time for Climate Change

Now I really feel like going to my local restaurant that sells bison raised on it's own local farm.


Do the Hindu's have a stated position on the holiness of Bison?


Have you asked?


What I wrote was a question wasn't it?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:30 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
tzor wrote:There's no need for you to fear, Mr. Bison ... he is near!

Bison Returned From the Brink Just in Time for Climate Change

Now I really feel like going to my local restaurant that sells bison raised on it's own local farm.


Do the Hindu's have a stated position on the holiness of Bison?


Have you asked?


What I wrote was a question wasn't it?[/quote]

It did seem like kind of an asshole question, sure. Have you tried asking nicely?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:36 pm

Is this the answer a question with a question game?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:39 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Is this the answer a question with a question game?


No?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby mookiemcgee on Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:13 pm

Symmetry wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
tzor wrote:There's no need for you to fear, Mr. Bison ... he is near!

Bison Returned From the Brink Just in Time for Climate Change

Now I really feel like going to my local restaurant that sells bison raised on it's own local farm.


Do the Hindu's have a stated position on the holiness of Bison?


Have you asked?


What I wrote was a question wasn't it?


It did seem like kind of an asshole question, sure. Have you tried asking nicely?


You are certainly entitled to your opinions. I take it you don't have an answer to my question? Do Hindu's have a stated position on the holiness of Bison?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby hotfire on Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:30 pm

are you asking if real indians have a sacred relationship like the misidentified indians have with the bison?
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Re: Say no to beef AND MILK

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:17 am

The Gaur, known also as the Indian Bison, is sacred. I can;t find an opinion on North American bison so far.
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