Per Capita Firearms Fatalities are Higher in NZ than US

[DoomYoshi]

. Fifty individuals were attacked, not ... anyone carrying a NZ passport.

So far nobody confirmed to be a citizen, just some Saudis, Pakistani, Turks, etc.

[Begbie]

Sorry but the reaction in NZ has been so alien it's hard for me to comprehend. They had a memorial in which they performed that Haka thing which, through sheer repetition, they've already established to the outside world is their football cheerleading dance routine (yes I know it used to be something sacred and noble at one time but now it's the pre match entertainment that follows the best dressed fan contest).

It would be like, after 9/11, if the Dallas Cowboy dance team showed up at the Washington National Cathedral and did a high kick routine set to Eye of the Tiger.

Then you have every NZ er interviewed on the news sounding like they're reading a Tourism NZ brochure. They all spend five seconds talking about what they saw followed by five minutes talking about how great NZ is.

Finally you have the NZ government responding to the whole thing by trying to terrorize their own population by asking ISPs to hand over user data on anyone posting the "manifesto."

Jamaica Arbuckle or whatever her name is seems to want everyone to believe she's the chief victim by virtue of proximity and title as she prances around dressed like a cross between Evita and Benzair Bhutto with a gaggle of photographers behind her, essentially using the attack to launch her campaign for UN Secretary-General. Fifty individuals were attacked, not the NZ government or anyone carrying a NZ passport. Jamaica's message, though, is that all New Zealanders should feel free to step up and grab a slice of the victimhood cake and we all have to entertain this narcissism.

You are a fucking moron with zero empathy. If you had any fucking clue outside you tiny world, you would understand the Haka's place in NZ society and that is used as a show of unity, togetherness and support in time of threat. To equate it to cheerleaders is just ignorant. What happened here two days ago was a terrorist attack - for you to denigrate the event with your narrow minded, puerile attempts at satire is appalling. The attack in Christchurch killed more people on a per capita basis than your 9/11 - no one would have ever broken down the deaths in that horrific event to who was carrying what type of passport ...for fucks sake The victims ranged for 2 years old to 70..they are not '50 individual' but a group of people who were gunned down exercising their rights to live and worship our country.. And to cap it off, you suggest that we here are all indulging in victimhood.... You are a fucking cunt.

[Begbie]

. Fifty individuals were attacked, not ... anyone carrying a NZ passport.

So far nobody confirmed to be a citizen, just some Saudis, Pakistani, Turks, etc.

And wtf does that mean?? What's the fucking difference what nationality they were..does that make it any less unacceptable..jesus christ

[saxitoxin]

Sorry but the reaction in NZ has been so alien it's hard for me to comprehend. They had a memorial in which they performed that Haka thing which, through sheer repetition, they've already established to the outside world is their football cheerleading dance routine (yes I know it used to be something sacred and noble at one time but now it's the pre match entertainment that follows the best dressed fan contest).

It would be like, after 9/11, if the Dallas Cowboy dance team showed up at the Washington National Cathedral and did a high kick routine set to Eye of the Tiger.

Then you have every NZ er interviewed on the news sounding like they're reading a Tourism NZ brochure. They all spend five seconds talking about what they saw followed by five minutes talking about how great NZ is.

Finally you have the NZ government responding to the whole thing by trying to terrorize their own population by asking ISPs to hand over user data on anyone posting the "manifesto."

Jamaica Arbuckle or whatever her name is seems to want everyone to believe she's the chief victim by virtue of proximity and title as she prances around dressed like a cross between Evita and Benzair Bhutto with a gaggle of photographers behind her, essentially using the attack to launch her campaign for UN Secretary-General. Fifty individuals were attacked, not the NZ government or anyone carrying a NZ passport. Jamaica's message, though, is that all New Zealanders should feel free to step up and grab a slice of the victimhood cake and we all have to entertain this narcissism.

You are a fucking moron with zero empathy. If you had any fucking clue outside you tiny world, you would understand the Haka's place in NZ society and that is used as a show of unity, togetherness and support in time of threat. To equate it to cheerleaders is just ignorant. What happened here two days ago was a terrorist attack - for you to denigrate the event with your narrow minded, puerile attempts at satire is appalling. The attack in Christchurch killed more people on a per capita basis than your 9/11 - no one would have ever broken down the deaths in that horrific event to who was carrying what type of passport ...for fucks sake The victims ranged for 2 years old to 70..they are not '50 individual' but a group of people who were gunned down exercising their rights to live and worship our country.. And to cap it off, you suggest that we here are all indulging in victimhood.... You are a fucking cunt.

I have empathy with the actual victims of the attack. I don't have empathy with everyone who is declaring themselves a victim on the basis of some shared definition of victimhood. I don't have empathy with Jandice Agricola running around looking like she's auditioning to star in an Evita revival while ordering her political opponents rounded up. After 9/11, which was severely more serious than this, the U.S. didn't threaten to jail anyone found reading Al Qaeda's statement of responsibility.



And, sorry, the spiritual nobility of the Haka is hard to believe when you use it for any old thing - most frequently, it seems, dancing around in a stadium surrounded by signs advertising Mastercard and Tostitos nacho chips in front of a bunch of drunkos spilling beer on themselves. At that point it's no different than the Miami Heat dance squad.

You don't see an adherent Muslim performing Salat for everyone's entertainment during half-time of a sporting event, nor do you see a bunch of dancers prancing around during the middle of a Catholic mass. The Haka can be one or the other, it can't be both. The University of Illinois used to perform the Three-in-One dance before their home basketball games and then stopped doing it because it made it into a pedestrian demonstration - it turned it into a fun little cheerleader routine. The Haka is a fun little cheerleader routine. Totally inappropriate for a memorial service.

[Bernie Sanders]

Sorry but the reaction in NZ has been so alien it's hard for me to comprehend. They had a memorial in which they performed that Haka thing which, through sheer repetition, they've already established to the outside world is their football cheerleading dance routine (yes I know it used to be something sacred and noble at one time but now it's the pre match entertainment that follows the best dressed fan contest).

It would be like, after 9/11, if the Dallas Cowboy dance team showed up at the Washington National Cathedral and did a high kick routine set to Eye of the Tiger.

Then you have every NZ er interviewed on the news sounding like they're reading a Tourism NZ brochure. They all spend five seconds talking about what they saw followed by five minutes talking about how great NZ is.

Finally you have the NZ government responding to the whole thing by trying to terrorize their own population by asking ISPs to hand over user data on anyone posting the "manifesto."

Jamaica Arbuckle or whatever her name is seems to want everyone to believe she's the chief victim by virtue of proximity and title as she prances around dressed like a cross between Evita and Benzair Bhutto with a gaggle of photographers behind her, essentially using the attack to launch her campaign for UN Secretary-General. Fifty individuals were attacked, not the NZ government or anyone carrying a NZ passport. Jamaica's message, though, is that all New Zealanders should feel free to step up and grab a slice of the victimhood cake and we all have to entertain this narcissism.

You are a fucking moron with zero empathy. If you had any fucking clue outside you tiny world, you would understand the Haka's place in NZ society and that is used as a show of unity, togetherness and support in time of threat. To equate it to cheerleaders is just ignorant. What happened here two days ago was a terrorist attack - for you to denigrate the event with your narrow minded, puerile attempts at satire is appalling. The attack in Christchurch killed more people on a per capita basis than your 9/11 - no one would have ever broken down the deaths in that horrific event to who was carrying what type of passport ...for fucks sake The victims ranged for 2 years old to 70..they are not '50 individual' but a group of people who were gunned down exercising their rights to live and worship our country.. And to cap it off, you suggest that we here are all indulging in victimhood.... You are a fucking cunt.

I have empathy with the actual victims of the attack. I don't have empathy with everyone who is declaring themselves a victim on the basis of some shared definition of victimhood. I don't have empathy with Jandice Agricola running around looking like she's auditioning to star in an Evita revival while ordering her political opponents rounded up. After 9/11, which was severely more serious than this, the U.S. didn't threaten to jail anyone found reading Al Qaeda's statement of responsibility.



And, sorry, the spiritual nobility of the Haka is hard to believe when you use it for any old thing - most frequently, it seems, dancing around in a stadium surrounded by signs advertising Mastercard and Tostitos nacho chips in front of a bunch of drunkos spilling beer on themselves. At that point it's no different than the Miami Heat dance squad.

You don't see an adherent Muslim performing Salat for everyone's entertainment during half-time of a sporting event, nor do you see a bunch of dancers prancing around during the middle of a Catholic mass. The Haka can be one or the other, it can't be both. The University of Illinois used to perform the Three-in-One dance before their home basketball games and then stopped doing it because it made it into a pedestrian demonstration - it turned it into a fun little cheerleader routine. The Haka is a fun little cheerleader routine. Totally inappropriate for a memorial service.

Saxi just admit you are wrong.

Haka dance/chant has been done at funerals many times including fallen brothers in the military



Very emotional and a tribute to that fallen comrade.

[Begbie]

The Haka is a fun little cheerleader routine. Totally inappropriate for a memorial service.

You really have no idea do you....be quiet before your ignorance becomes even more obvious than it already is.

[saxitoxin]

The Haka is a fun little cheerleader routine. Totally inappropriate for a memorial service.

You really have no idea do you....be quiet before your ignorance becomes even more obvious than it already is.

Oh Lord. New Zealanders are always screaming "the haka isn't being respected!" But it's rather hard to respect ... it's used to sell tennis shoes and to entertain people at low-level women's amateur sports games. And here you have a bunch of balding, middle aged civil servants wearing business suits doing the Haka to pay tribute to prime minister what's her name - https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/na ... ern/story/. If you don't respect it yourself, how can you demand we respect it? We ain't exactly talking about the Eucharist.

Anyway I find the whole little dance rather silly to begin with. I mean it might be entertaining but it's not intimidating. I'm not entirely sure what's intimidating about a bunch of grown men leaping around, screaming like a lunatic, and gyrating madly. I like the ballet but I'm not intimidated by ballerinas.

I'm not trying to troll, I just can't help but cringe whenever I watch it. I mean here's a Miami Heat dance squad routine and, in all honesty, I'm pretty hard pressed to tell the difference between the choreography between this and the Haka.



Now imagine the Miami Heat dance routine was performed by a bunch of middle aged American civil servants in an office park for President Trump and you'll see where I'm coming at with the Haka.

But, in any case, I empathize with the victims of the attack, meaning those actually attacked. I don't empathize with the NZ government using this as a pretext for a crackdown on their opponents or for Jamaica Almond to use this to try score a few extra votes in next year's election. If she's really concerned about the rise of nationalism why doesn't she resign and end her coalition with New Zealand First and let the National Party take over? Obviously she thinks nationalism is a problem ... just not a big enough problem that she should be out of a job over it.

[saxitoxin]

Haka dance/chant has been done at funerals many times including fallen brothers in the military



Very emotional and a tribute to that fallen comrade.

How awful. Imagine you're the grieving family and you have a platoon of adult men screaming and jumping around at the funeral doing a sports dance. A military funeral procession should be quiet and dignified.

[Bernie Sanders]

Saxi, go to the corner and put on your Dunce Hat....

Another Haka funeral tribute

[mrswdk]

After 9/11, which was severely more serious than this, the U.S. didn't threaten to jail anyone found reading Al Qaeda's statement of responsibility.

It is kinda funny how you're using the US response to 9/11 as your benchmark for 'how to not overreact to a terrorist attack'.

[Begbie]

How awful. Imagine you're the grieving family and you have a platoon of adult men screaming and jumping around at the funeral doing a sports dance. A military funeral procession should be quiet and dignified.

You ignorant troll - it is ultimate form of respect in Maoridom and for New Zealanders, and a massive part of NZ military custom and history, and our country's culture. You don't have to respect it, much as you have elected to not to respect or empathise with the tragedy that occurred here two days ago. Keep your crass insensitivity to yourself.

[saxitoxin]

How awful. Imagine you're the grieving family and you have a platoon of adult men screaming and jumping around at the funeral doing a sports dance. A military funeral procession should be quiet and dignified.

You ignorant troll - it is ultimate form of respect in Maoridom and for New Zealanders, and a massive part of NZ military custom and history, and our country's culture. You don't have to respect it, much as you have elected to not to respect or empathise with the tragedy that occurred here two days ago. Keep your crass insensitivity to yourself.

Being a NZer you may not realize but in other countries we can say things with which others disagree without being sent to prison for 14 years like Evita is threatening her subjects.

[DoomYoshi]

I didn't even realize it was considered a New Zealand thing... I always thought it was Polynesian.

Either way, it's definitely been bought and paid for by the Americans, so they now own it...
Evidence:

[saxitoxin]

I don't know what Kiwi Farms is, but they're refusing the demands of the New Zealand Secret Police to identify anyone sharing the "manifesto" so they can be rounded up and sent to one of Evita's detention camps -

Detective Senior Sergeant John Michael reached out to the message board operator and owner of Kiwi Farms, explaining, “I am hoping that you can help us with an investigation the New Zealand Police are working on. On 15 March 2019 there was a shooting in New Zealand with multiple fatalities at two mosques in the city of Christchurch. The alleged offender in this matter is a Brenton TARRANT.”

“At around the time of the shooting there were a number of posts and links posted on kiwifarms.net <http://kiwifarms.net> relating to the shooting and TARRANT,” the detective specified. “We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc linked to these posts pending a formal legal request.”

Kiwi Farms operator Joshua Moon answered immediately, “Is this a joke? I’m not turning over information about my users. The person responsible for posting the manifesto PDF is myself,” Moon admitted. “I feel real bad for you guys, you’ve got a quiet nation and now this attack is going to be the first thing people think of for the next 10 years when they hear the name New Zealand, but you can’t do this. Tell your superiors they’re going to make the entire country and its government look like clowns by trying to censor the Internet,” Moon admonished.

“You’re a small, irrelevant island nation barely more recognizable than any other nameless Pacific sovereignty,” Moon continued in his response to the New Zealand police request made 17 March 2019. “You do not have the clout to eradicate a video from the Internet and you do not have the legal reach to imprison everyone whose posted it. If anyone turns over to you the information they’re asking for they’re not only cowards, but they’re fucking idiots,” Moon stressed, and referred to himself as a US expat, and that his site “is contained within a Florida company.”

https://coinspice.io/news/kiwi-farms-re ... -killings/

[saxitoxin]

After 9/11, which was severely more serious than this, the U.S. didn't threaten to jail anyone found reading Al Qaeda's statement of responsibility.

It is kinda funny how you're using the US response to 9/11 as your benchmark for 'how to not overreact to a terrorist attack'.

Do you think New Zealand has the capability to invade and conquer Australia and are simply acting with mature restraint by not doing so?

The New Zealand army would need to buy tickets on a commercial Quantas flight to even reach Australia. They would then be defeated in the Customs queue. If Jarjar Binks had someone she could attack I'm certain she would. However, her government has cut the NZDF to the bone. I remember seeing this question on Quora awhile back ...

If a fully armed, older, fighter such as an F-5 materialized over Hamilton, New Zealand and started strafing the city, how would NZ respond and how long would it take?

New Zealand doesn’t have any fixed wing combat aircraft. And I expect that Hamilton is not ringed with SAM installations.

It does have two frigates with decent anti-air capability, but Hamilton is a bit inland, and by flying low the F5 pilot can easily evade trouble.

So in the short term, NZ would be screwed. Reduced to waving their fists in the air and throwing gum boots.

Their best strategy would be to wait until Australia could get some fighters into Auckland airport (a few days) or the F5 ran out of fuel, whichever came first.

https://www.quora.com/If-a-fully-armed- ... ld-it-take

[Begbie]

I don't know what Kiwi Farms is, but they're refusing the demands of the New Zealand Secret Police to identify anyone sharing the "manifesto" so they can be rounded up and sent to one of Evita's detention camps

No you don't know what it is. Read own link you retard - its a fucking hate site with no connection to this country. I suspect you're the sort of pig that would support the terrorist by propagating his murder snuff video under some guise of 'Internet freedom' What the f*ck is with you?

[saxitoxin]

I don't know what Kiwi Farms is, but they're refusing the demands of the New Zealand Secret Police to identify anyone sharing the "manifesto" so they can be rounded up and sent to one of Evita's detention camps

No you don't know what it is. Read own link you retard - its a fucking hate site

I just looked at the site itself and saw nothing more offensive than what you'd typically find at 4Chan.

Not my cup of tea, but whatever. However, they are providing a public service by posting a warning to protect political dissidents from being seized in the middle of the night by NZ Secret Police ...



There were some threads criticizing the policies of Jar Jar Binks, I saw. Maybe that's why she wants to shut it down? To help stack the deck for her upcoming re-election bid? Mussolini had critical newspapers shut down before the 1929 Italian general election for "national security reasons."

with no connection to this country.

I never said it did.

I suspect you're the sort of pig that would support the terrorist by propagating his murder snuff video under some guise of 'Internet freedom' What the f*ck is with you?

"Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."

Now the video is a different matter than the manifesto. The video may interfere with the personality rights of the persons depicted and should be subject to take-down. The manifesto is an entirely different matter, though. If the NZ government is so fragile that a rambling document could cause the collapse of the New Zealand nation then you have bigger problems. If it doesn't present that danger, then everyone should be permitted to read and access it. You can buy Mein Kampf in New Zealand. Are you saying the manifesto is even more offensive than Mein Kampf?

[HitRed]

Jarjar Binks was a girl

[jonesthecurl]

Saxi said

And, sorry, the spiritual nobility of the Haka is hard to believe when you use it for any old thing - most frequently, it seems, dancing around in a stadium surrounded by signs advertising Mastercard and Tostitos nacho chips in front of a bunch of drunkos spilling beer on themselves.

What does this mean for playing the US national anthem at games? Is that just a cheerleading routine too then, now?

[mrswdk]

The US national anthem is primarily used to brainwash children at America's state educational institutions. It's more like the Beethoven track that gets played during the aversion therapy scene in Clockwork Orange.

[saxitoxin]

Saxi said

And, sorry, the spiritual nobility of the Haka is hard to believe when you use it for any old thing - most frequently, it seems, dancing around in a stadium surrounded by signs advertising Mastercard and Tostitos nacho chips in front of a bunch of drunkos spilling beer on themselves.

What does this mean for playing the US national anthem at games? Is that just a cheerleading routine too then, now?

I agree it's ridiculous.

[mookiemcgee]

The US national anthem is primarily used to brainwash children at America's state educational institutions. It's more like the Beethoven track that gets played during the aversion therapy scene in Clockwork Orange.

I think you are confused. The national anthem is only used to celebrate sports. The pledge of alliance is the one used to brainwash children at America's state educational institutions.

[armati]

"The national anthem is ONLY used to celebrate sports" missed the mark on another one mookie.

Lakewood Elementary School - National Anthem - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9b0ymIqmSc

The History Of The National Anthem In Sports
How "The Star-Spangled Banner" became a part of American sports culture.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/his ... 3fb50d5056

[saxitoxin]

Evita is at it again. Her latest melodramatics is that she's not going to say the killer's name. (Any stunt to keep her own name in the headlines.)



Media are having a field day with this, immediately reporting his name following her quote ...

"He sought many things from his act of terror, but one was notoriety - that is why you will never hear me mention his name," Ms Ardern said in an emotional address at New Zealand's parliament.

Australian Brenton Tarrant, 28, a self-described white supremacist, has been charged with murder.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47620630

I bet New Zealand will now use Evita's latest decree to start jamming the signals of the Free Press who broadcast into NZ and to start sending Evita's club-wielding police to raid and shut-down newspapers.