Does anybody remember anything?

[King_Herpes]

Much human testimony from those that take vape-breaks while kinda working at PitaWay and whom build earthships barefoot in their spare time, would tell you that "one's memory remains permanently accessible or reobtainable through the practice of meditation". This is a swelling model of thought amongst your kind, do beware. A dark art form that us nonsentiants believe to be pure olive loaf. I do hope I placed the deli meat expression correctly.

For source information please contact the one called, Neotony. Oh and btw one little zan-bar isn't going to stop the crystal children from achieving their ascension. These potatoes are not as large as others. Really working hard on these food metaphors as well, your kind is so very imaginative.




My name is Sofia.

[Dukasaur]

LOL @ Sym. Posts an article backing up what I said. Continues to tell me I'm wrong.

What is this? Admit that you were wrong, and move on. Your OP still says that Valium and Xanax are the same drug. They are not.

I share your concerns about drug misuse. I just would like you to correct the misinformation that you've been posting.

Valium and all its siblings differ in trivial and inconsequential ways. You can blather on forever, and it won't change this.

They all give a high of essentially the same kind, and are dangerously addictive. Fifty years ago, doctors handed out Valium like candy to any patient who had a mild case of depression, a mild social phobia, a mild anxiety about this, that, or the other thing, or a hundred other trivial complaints, and millions ended up addicted. Doctors: "Oh, no! We had no idea it would be so addictive. There's no way we would have done this if we'd known!"

Today, doctors hand out Xanax like candy to any patient who had a mild case of depression, a mild social phobia, a mild anxiety about this, that, or the other thing, or a hundred other trivial complaints, and millions are ending up addicted. Doctors: "Oh, no! We had no idea it would be so addictive. There's no way we would have done this if we'd known!"

If you don't think this is a problem, so be it. If you're gullible enough to believe that doctors are unaware of the dangerous addictive properties of these drugs when they spray them about like a burst pinata, so be it. But do not waste our time with this pedantic crusade about how it's not the same thing because there are some trivial differences between one of these drugs and it's near-identical twin.

[DoomYoshi]

The differences are not trivial- they are fundamentally different

They are "fundamentally" the same. If you were given the formula for Xanax and Valium, we wouldn't be able to predict the differences without experiments, we could only predict the similarities. They both react with the same receptors in the body, in much the same way.

[Symmetry]

The differences are not trivial- they are fundamentally different

They are "fundamentally" the same. If you were given the formula for Xanax and Valium, we wouldn't be able to predict the differences without experiments, we could only predict the similarities. They both react with the same receptors in the body, in much the same way.

No, they are not fundamentally the same. I notice that you deleted the ways in which they are different:

1) Chemically
2) Legally
3) In application
4) In effect

These are not trivial matters of semantics.

[DoomYoshi]

The differences are not trivial- they are fundamentally different

They are "fundamentally" the same. If you were given the formula for Xanax and Valium, we wouldn't be able to predict the differences without experiments, we could only predict the similarities. They both react with the same receptors in the body, in much the same way.

No, they are not fundamentally the same. I notice that you deleted the ways in which they are different:

1) Chemically
2) Legally
3) In application
4) In effect

These are not trivial matters of semantics.

Fundamentally, they are the same chemically; in that the only way we know about the significance of the compound is from its impact on human receptors. Fundamentally, the application and effect are the same.

Fundamentally, they are both controlled substances and so the legal status is the same.

[Quirk]

It is true that Valium and Xanax are not the same drug. They share similar effects and side effects but they treated Mrs Quirk quite differently. Valium made her nauseous. Valium chills her out whereas Xanax zones her out. The Xanax seems addictive as hell.

[Symmetry]

The differences are not trivial- they are fundamentally different

They are "fundamentally" the same. If you were given the formula for Xanax and Valium, we wouldn't be able to predict the differences without experiments, we could only predict the similarities. They both react with the same receptors in the body, in much the same way.

No, they are not fundamentally the same. I notice that you deleted the ways in which they are different:

1) Chemically
2) Legally
3) In application
4) In effect

These are not trivial matters of semantics.

Fundamentally, they are the same chemically; in that the only way we know about the significance of the compound is from its impact on human receptors. Fundamentally, the application and effect are the same.

Fundamentally, they are both controlled substances and so the legal status is the same.

No, chemically they are different: "C17H13ClN4" vs "C16H13ClN2O"

You're simply wrong,

In application, diazepam is used to treat heroin addiction, and as an anti-convulsant for people suffeing seizures, among other uses.
In application, alprazolam is used as a short term anti-anxiety drug.

You're simply wrong.

Legally, these are simply two different drugs. Multiple jurisdictions have ruled on this. Provide me with a single example saying that they are the same.

You're simply wrong

As for effects? I'm open to your medical papers comparing the two drugs and how they help people get off heroin, or avoid seizures. I just think that you don't have them.

And that you're simply wrong.

[DoomYoshi]

How do you think drug discovery works?

Imagine it's 1956. What can you tell me about valium or xanax?

[Symmetry]

How do you think drug discovery works?

Imagine it's 1956. What can you tell me about valium or xanax?

I have no idea, but it seems like you want to tell a story.

[DoomYoshi]

How do you think drug discovery works?

Imagine it's 1956. What can you tell me about valium or xanax?

I have no idea, but it seems like you want to tell a story.

I already told it.

Valium was becoming popular, so scientists started looking at drugs that are fundamentally the same in order to discover new drugs. If they weren't fundamentally the same, they don't often get discovered, until there is a new breakthrough.

[King_Herpes]

How do you think drug discovery works?

Imagine it's 1956. What can you tell me about valium or xanax?

Often times the nazi rat can not recognize one direction from at which end it entered the maze.

In this scenario, the nazi lab rat desperately wants to achieve recognition for effort upon recieval of ceremonious cheese. Not thinking of the world outside it's caged efforts. Hindered through a hindrance in hindsight and extreme tunnel vision, the rat's teeth gnash and gnaw. And gnaws still yet more.



My name is Sofia.

[DoomYoshi]

I will continue to gnaw it. Here's "the story" told by the "inventor":
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jm ... ode=jmcmar

[Symmetry]

How do you think drug discovery works?

Imagine it's 1956. What can you tell me about valium or xanax?

I have no idea, but it seems like you want to tell a story.

I already told it.

Valium was becoming popular, so scientists started looking at drugs that are fundamentally the same in order to discover new drugs. If they weren't fundamentally the same, they don't often get discovered, until there is a new breakthrough.

New drugs, you say? Hmm. That would suggest that they are different from old drugs. Something developed from an old thing is not the same as its origin.

Next up, "all antibiotics are the same", courtesy of DY.

[DoomYoshi]

How do you think drug discovery works?

Imagine it's 1956. What can you tell me about valium or xanax?

I have no idea, but it seems like you want to tell a story.

I already told it.

Valium was becoming popular, so scientists started looking at drugs that are fundamentally the same in order to discover new drugs. If they weren't fundamentally the same, they don't often get discovered, until there is a new breakthrough.

New drugs, you say? Hmm. That would suggest that they are different from old drugs. Something developed from an old thing is not the same as its origin.

Next up, "all antibiotics are the same", courtesy of DY.

Things can be different and still fundamentally the same. You and I are both different, yet fundamentally human. I would treat you different than I would treat a potato. That's how language and our language-infused reality works. We classify things into categories. You can make categories arbitrarily small - every pill is its own drug; or arbitrarily large - all chemicals are made up of protons and are therefore fundamentally the same. Or you can take the fun road and disagree on issues of semantics until somebody loses an eye.

[King_Herpes]

Well, Symmetry...

Were you g'naw reply?



His name is DoomYoshi

[Symmetry]

Things can be different and still fundamentally the same. You and I are both different, yet fundamentally human. I would treat you different than I would treat a potato. That's how language and our language-infused reality works. We classify things into categories. You can make categories arbitrarily small - every pill is its own drug; or arbitrarily large - all chemicals are made up of protons and are therefore fundamentally the same. Or you can take the fun road and disagree on issues of semantics until somebody loses an eye.

No, you're simply wrong. Chemicals are not made up of protons and are not fundamentally the same.

Please read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_structure

I promise you won't lose an eye reading it.

[DoomYoshi]

Things can be different and still fundamentally the same. You and I are both different, yet fundamentally human. I would treat you different than I would treat a potato. That's how language and our language-infused reality works. We classify things into categories. You can make categories arbitrarily small - every pill is its own drug; or arbitrarily large - all chemicals are made up of protons and are therefore fundamentally the same. Or you can take the fun road and disagree on issues of semantics until somebody loses an eye.

No, you're simply wrong. Chemicals are not made up of protons and are not fundamentally the same.

Please read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_structure

I promise you won't lose an eye reading it.

Name one chemical that doesn't have protons.

[Symmetry]

Things can be different and still fundamentally the same. You and I are both different, yet fundamentally human. I would treat you different than I would treat a potato. That's how language and our language-infused reality works. We classify things into categories. You can make categories arbitrarily small - every pill is its own drug; or arbitrarily large - all chemicals are made up of protons and are therefore fundamentally the same. Or you can take the fun road and disagree on issues of semantics until somebody loses an eye.

No, you're simply wrong. Chemicals are not made up of protons and are not fundamentally the same.

Please read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_structure

I promise you won't lose an eye reading it.

Name one chemical that doesn't have protons.

Name one that is made up of protons.

[Neoteny]

Logarithmic peasantry in this thread and yet no mention of pharmacodynamic variability?

Oh wait we're talking physics now?

[HitRed]

Proton map on the way! Lol

[Symmetry]

Logarithmic peasantry in this thread and yet no mention of pharmacodynamic variability?

Oh wait we're talking physics now?

Hey Neo, I don't really understand how we got here, but we're on page 2 of me asking Duk to correct a mistake he made in the OP.

[HitRed]

[Symmetry]

](*,)

Indeed.

Let's have a brief musical interlude:

[elfish_lad]

How do you think drug discovery works?

Imagine it's 1956. What can you tell me about valium or xanax?

Often times the nazi rat can not recognize one direction from at which end it entered the maze.

In this scenario, the nazi lab rat desperately wants to achieve recognition for effort upon recieval of ceremonious cheese. Not thinking of the world outside it's caged efforts. Hindered through a hindrance in hindsight and extreme tunnel vision, the rat's teeth gnash and gnaw. And gnaws still yet more.



My name is Sofia.

Here is the fucked up thing about all that... it’s all true Nazi shit.

Dang.

E.