Incest

[chewyman]

I still think what you are suggesting is not as exact and easy/simple as you are making out. tho whole hostage thing i imagine happens maybe 1% of the time. i get the impression you think people can be manipulated everytime you want too. whereas i think it will have very limited sucsess and only happen a tiny percentage of the time........

Of course it isn't an easy thing to do. It also takes a lot of time, effort and repetition. In the case of a hostage situation, the hostage taker doesn't set out to make the hostage fall in love with him/her. In the case of therapy with trained professionals performing well rehearsed and practiced techniques the results are far greater. Obviously the conversion rate isn't 100%, the mind is an amazing organ that we still know very little about. My point is simply that we currently have the know-how to convert at least some homosexuals, which proves that as our knowledge in this field increases so will the success rate.

[Stopper]

Do you decline blowjobs, because mouths weren't designed to do that?

Incorrect. There are actually nerve glands inside a woman's mouth that are specifically designed to react when semen enters the mouth, through pre-cum and ejaculation. This explains why some women get a sense of physical pleasure while performing oral sex.

Does that line work, then?

[Anarchist]

Chewy
1) I dissagree on the desensitive issue on some degree, there is still the ability to realise the difference between fiction and reality that can not be crossed. I see people get killed everyday on TV, I havent killed anyone yet.
2) I still feel that on some crimes punishment only inhibits any sort of reform, its fear not rehabilitation that has the limited success(if any) and I feel it does more harm in general then actually have any accomplishments. See habitual offenders.
3) My Iraq war spiel was mostly (attempting) to get the point across of the effects of our actions providing lessons that incarceration doesnt teach, maybe even cancel out.
4) I didnt mean you trying to deny their existance, I was refering to the very loud christians who try to keep things in the dark instead of in the light where everything should be

I concede that there are genes that may predispose somebody to being homosexual. I also concede that there are events in early life that may prompt homosexuality. However, these are not the be all and end all causes. Homosexuality is, in essence, a psychological disorder (and was considered one in America's medical profession until relatively recently, when gay protesters demanded it be removed because it was not politically correct). How many other psychological disorders can you think of that have been removed due to political correctness? People aren't born alcoholics and they don't choose to become them. The desire for alcohol or homosexuality is acquired and strengthened by habituation and conditioning, not conscious choice. Homosexuals need help, just like paranoid schizophrenics and alcoholic.

(I agree with all other points made in this post(what I didnt quote)
I agree that homosexuality is not a conscience choice,however it appears to be a natural process that occurs throughout life. While I feel it needs to be educated on the health risks, I do not believe its something that "needs" to be cured. It will be very difficult to deprogram regardless.
Watching "The History of Sex" the Mayans had a great point(did not touch on homosexuality that I can remember-Homosexuality has been around since the ages and was acceptable in certain Eastern cultures) The Mayans believed that Sex in essence was good, the problem arose when the amount of partners became excessive showing a lack of control. This lack of control was considered a weakness, and would be punished by the gods through decease(among other godly acts)
I believe that all sex is good, aslong as the participents do it for the right reasons while maintaining self control. Lust and Attachment should not be the motives.

I believe it could be "cured", though I believe better education is the proper course of action. I do not feel it Needs to be "cured"
I do not support any persecuting laws on any subject.

[Jenos Ridan]

what about a cousin?

FDR married his fifth cousin, and that didn't raise any alarms then, so I don't think it would now. Nor would a step- or half-cousin, I don't think. Still, I find it a bit distrubing.

[Skittles!]

In Australia, I think, it's actually legal to be able to marry that is your 5th cousin onwards. but I'm not too sure with that.

[Jenos Ridan]

In Australia, I think, it's actually legal to be able to marry that is your 5th cousin onwards. but I'm not too sure with that.

And in some remote counties here in the states (though nowhere near we I live), it's legal, or at least acceptable and ignored, to marry MUCH closer to the family tree .

[Skittles!]

In Australia, I think, it's actually legal to be able to marry that is your 5th cousin onwards. but I'm not too sure with that.

And in some remote counties here in the states (though nowhere near we I live), it's legal, or at least acceptable and ignored, to marry MUCH closer to the family tree .

Hm, I don't really mind if some family do do incest, but to marry.. Is just kinda, well in my opinion, gross.
What if one family member wants to do stuff with another family member because they want to get experience, or something?

[chewyman]

In Australia, I think, it's actually legal to be able to marry that is your 5th cousin onwards. but I'm not too sure with that.

Fifth?!?! 'fraid not, in Australia (and most Western countries) it's legal to marry your first cousin.

Does that line work, then?

Not sure, I recommend you try it to find out. I also recommend taping her reaction and posting it here.

1) I dissagree on the desensitive issue on some degree, there is still the ability to realise the difference between fiction and reality that can not be crossed. I see people get killed everyday on TV, I havent killed anyone yet.

The distinction between watching and doing isn't as strong as you may first think. Observational learning is very much a part of how we, as humans, learn. I highly recommend that you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobo_Doll_experiment for a classic experiment that demonstrated this. Fortunately, there are more forms of learning telling people that killing is wrong than there are telling us that it is right. However, even if watching somebody being tortured doesn't make you want to go out and torture somebody yourself it does have a desensitising effect. Watch one torture scene and you're horrified, a thousand and you might start shrugging your shoulders. Potentially this will make you less inclined to strongly support legislation making torture illegal. I hope you see where I'm going here, because this is a subject that there are thousands of thesis written on, it's such a complex topic...

2) I still feel that on some crimes punishment only inhibits any sort of reform, its fear not rehabilitation that has the limited success(if any) and I feel it does more harm in general then actually have any accomplishments. See habitual offenders.

The purpose of prison isn't to cure the offender, it's to protect society and punish the offender. I agree that rehabilitation is important, but it should be done inside prisons, not instead of.

3) My Iraq war spiel was mostly (attempting) to get the point across of the effects of our actions providing lessons that incarceration doesnt teach, maybe even cancel out.

But it does keep terrorists out of Iraq and Afghanistan, hence my point about protecting society. But let's not get into a war debate here, you'd probably find we don't really disagree about much there anyway.

4) I didnt mean you trying to deny their existance, I was refering to the very loud christians who try to keep things in the dark instead of in the light where everything should be

I agree that this is wrong. But it's no worse than the gay and lesbian movements that make it politically incorrect to criticise homosexuality.

I agree that homosexuality is not a conscience choice,however it appears to be a natural process that occurs throughout life. While I feel it needs to be educated on the health risks, I do not believe its something that "needs" to be cured. It will be very difficult to deprogram regardless.
Watching "The History of Sex" the Mayans had a great point(did not touch on homosexuality that I can remember-Homosexuality has been around since the ages and was acceptable in certain Eastern cultures) The Mayans believed that Sex in essence was good, the problem arose when the amount of partners became excessive showing a lack of control. This lack of control was considered a weakness, and would be punished by the gods through decease(among other godly acts)
I believe that all sex is good, aslong as the participents do it for the right reasons while maintaining self control. Lust and Attachment should not be the motives.

I believe it could be "cured", though I believe better education is the proper course of action. I do not feel it Needs to be "cured"

Well technically nothing has to be cured. We don't 'need' to cure schizophrenics either, but it's the right thing to do anyway. I've proven that homosexuality is a mental illness and you've agreed, we are morally obligated to help these people as best we can. There are a plethora of diseases and cancers etc caused by sodomy so it's not like it isn't hurting anybody.

I do not support any persecuting laws on any subject.

Neither do I. As I've stated, I'm in no way against homosexuals. My opposition is solely to homosexuality.

[Jenos Ridan]

In Australia, I think, it's actually legal to be able to marry that is your 5th cousin onwards. but I'm not too sure with that.

And in some remote counties here in the states (though nowhere near we I live), it's legal, or at least acceptable and ignored, to marry MUCH closer to the family tree .

Hm, I don't really mind if some family do do incest, but to marry.. Is just kinda, well in my opinion, gross.
What if one family member wants to do stuff with another family member because they want to get experience, or something?

Good God, man, I was making a joke! "Taking the piss", so to speak.

Jeepers, dude.

[Stopper]

Do you decline blowjobs, because mouths weren't designed to do that?

Incorrect. There are actually nerve glands inside a woman's mouth that are specifically designed to react when semen enters the mouth, through pre-cum and ejaculation. This explains why some women get a sense of physical pleasure while performing oral sex.

Does that line work, then?

Not sure, I recommend you try it to find out. I also recommend taping her reaction and posting it here.

Could you provide a credible link? I want to, er, introduce the idea to an acquaintance of mine, and I need something that looks official, and, more to the point, believable.

EDIT: Oh, and a link to the Deep Throat entry on IMDB won't suffice, as that was a ficitional film, not a documentary.

[chewyman]

Do you decline blowjobs, because mouths weren't designed to do that?

Incorrect. There are actually nerve glands inside a woman's mouth that are specifically designed to react when semen enters the mouth, through pre-cum and ejaculation. This explains why some women get a sense of physical pleasure while performing oral sex.

Does that line work, then?

Not sure, I recommend you try it to find out. I also recommend taping her reaction and posting it here.

Could you provide a credible link? I want to, er, introduce the idea to an acquaintance of mine, and I need something that looks official, and, more to the point, believable.

EDIT: Oh, and a link to the Deep Throat entry on IMDB won't suffice, as that was a ficitional film, not a documentary.

Not really, I learned that in high school biology. I recommend a google search though if you're willing to sort through all the porn sites and advice on oral sex that will also no doubt come up.

[Anarchist]

Good post Chewy,
im sure Mental illness isnt polically correct
...avoiding the war....
Agree on the deceases and cancers bit, however education will probably be the greatest benefit. Using my line of "treating the cause and not the symptoms" can easily be used against me regarding homosexuality Still fits though.

I will follow the link on desensitising, however I feel its probably a fairly wide area between the extremes. Always considered desensitising as a way around cencorship. Not a perfect philosophy, I agree. Once again the middle path is the best approach.

Hooray for Oral Sex!!!

(link)
Pefect example of monkey see, monkey do
ofcourse children will follow the examples set by their elders
(never look at obnoxious children in public the same way again )
However I still doubt the undeniable connection between playing GTA for 3 hours and going out and killing cops. However i feel the majority of the blame rests with the gaurdians after all the media is there to entertain, not to raise children.

[Stopper]

Do you decline blowjobs, because mouths weren't designed to do that?

Incorrect. There are actually nerve glands inside a woman's mouth that are specifically designed to react when semen enters the mouth, through pre-cum and ejaculation. This explains why some women get a sense of physical pleasure while performing oral sex.

I learned that in high school biology. I recommend a google search though if you're willing to sort through all the porn sites and advice on oral sex that will also no doubt come up.

Hmm. When you say high school biology, do you mean one of the teachers, in a class? Or did one of the bigger boys tell you?

[chewyman]

My teacher, if you're worried about the accuracy don't be. Even if it did turn out to be false (although I don't think it is) it's still funny.

However I still doubt the undeniable connection between playing GTA for 3 hours and going out and killing cops. However i feel the majority of the blame rests with the gaurdians after all the media is there to entertain, not to raise children.

Children make such good test subjects because they don't already have all that in built conditioning telling them that violence is wrong. Obviously playing GTA won't be the only reason somebody commits murder, but it does have an undeniable effect, which is my point.

[Stopper]

Do you decline blowjobs, because mouths weren't designed to do that?

Incorrect. There are actually nerve glands inside a woman's mouth that are specifically designed to react when semen enters the mouth, through pre-cum and ejaculation. This explains why some women get a sense of physical pleasure while performing oral sex.

I learned that in high school biology. I recommend a google search though if you're willing to sort through all the porn sites and advice on oral sex that will also no doubt come up.

Hmm. When you say high school biology, do you mean one of the teachers, in a class? Or did one of the bigger boys tell you?

My teacher, if you're worried about the accuracy don't be. Even if it did turn out to be false (although I don't think it is) it's still funny.

Hey, I'm not worried about the accuracy of your assertion. If your teacher told you that, that's good enough for me.

However, this information, regardless of its humour value, may prove vitally useful to me in future, and I suspect I'll need more substantial proof than just your teacher.

Also, I once heard that if a girl has unprotected sex, all she needs to do to prevent pregnancy is jump up and down afterwards. Did your, er, "teacher" ever mention anything to you along those lines?

[heavycola]

There are actually nerve glands inside a woman's mouth that are specifically designed to react when semen enters the mouth,[/b] through pre-cum and ejaculation. This explains why some women get a sense of physical pleasure while performing oral sex.

Chewyman I didn;t want to requote your and my entire earlier posts, but thanks for the reply.

The blowjob/female pleasure theory sounds a little too much like a male fantasy/justification to take seriously without any citation- but I should add that the prostate gland IS a source of pleasure for many men during anal sex...


Anyway... how can anything humans do without the aid of technology be unnatural? Other species are at it too... Hereis a cool article about homosexuality in animals - penguins, bonobo monkeys, macaques, dolphins, seagulls...
The idea that my happy, well-adjusted friends are 'mentally ill' and need to have their personalities reprogrammed is pretty scary, that's all.

[MeDeFe]

I here Coke Light is great for preventing pregnancy, just insert vaginally after intercourse. 99.9% success rate, or so I hear.

I think jumping up and down is for a few days later when the cells are trying to attack themselves in the uterus so they can't or so they "drop off" and out.


Oh and for the record, I don't mind people being incestuous, even though I wouldn't get in bed with my sister. But then again, we grew up together and developed the typical emotions of sibling, we can't stand each other.

[Backglass]

I here Coke Light is great for preventing pregnancy, just insert vaginally after intercourse. 99.9% success rate, or so I hear.

I hear that people will believe anything they are told.

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/sperm.asp

[heavycola]

I here Coke Light is great for preventing pregnancy, just insert vaginally after intercourse. 99.9% success rate, or so I hear.

I hear that people will believe anything they are told.

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/sperm.asp

All that mess for nothing. Thank god i'm firing blanks.

[2dimes]

I here Coke Light is great for preventing pregnancy, just insert vaginally after intercourse. 99.9% success rate, or so I hear.

Yes this is true, you need to put a couple of mentos in there then pour in as much diet coke as possible.

[chewyman]

Hey, I'm not worried about the accuracy of your assertion. If your teacher told you that, that's good enough for me.

However, this information, regardless of its humour value, may prove vitally useful to me in future, and I suspect I'll need more substantial proof than just your teacher.

Hey the fact that I'm not willing to sort through google for hours doesn't disprove it. If you really have to have this fact checked google is ready and waiting, you'll just have to sort through it all yourself.

Anyway... how can anything humans do without the aid of technology be unnatural? Other species are at it too... Here is a cool article about homosexuality in animals - penguins, bonobo monkeys, macaques, dolphins, seagulls...
The idea that my happy, well-adjusted friends are 'mentally ill' and need to have their personalities reprogrammed is pretty scary, that's all.

Well sure we can agree that mental illnesses are natural and therefore so is homosexuality. I was just using a different definition of 'natural'; basically that a healthy person is a natural person. I would rather a friend with schizophrenia be cured despite however natural it may be, and the same goes for my homosexual friends. Humans and other animals share a wide variety of mental illnesses, that doesn't make them any less unnatural (based on my definition). The gay and lesbian community has made any argument against homosexuality politically incorrect and labeled anybody who explains one a homophobe. Thus homosexuality has become the only mental illness that is actually rewarded and encouraged on sufferers. Correcting somebody's attraction from the same sex to the opposite one is not 'personality reprogramming'. Your personality and which sex you are attracted to are completely different things.

[heavycola]

Hey, I'm not worried about the accuracy of your assertion. If your teacher told you that, that's good enough for me.

However, this information, regardless of its humour value, may prove vitally useful to me in future, and I suspect I'll need more substantial proof than just your teacher.

Hey the fact that I'm not willing to sort through google for hours doesn't disprove it. If you really have to have this fact checked google is ready and waiting, you'll just have to sort through it all yourself.

Anyway... how can anything humans do without the aid of technology be unnatural? Other species are at it too... Here is a cool article about homosexuality in animals - penguins, bonobo monkeys, macaques, dolphins, seagulls...
The idea that my happy, well-adjusted friends are 'mentally ill' and need to have their personalities reprogrammed is pretty scary, that's all.

Well sure we can agree that mental illnesses are natural and therefore so is homosexuality. I was just using a different definition of 'natural'; basically that a healthy person is a natural person. I would rather a friend with schizophrenia be cured despite however natural it may be, and the same goes for my homosexual friends. Humans and other animals share a wide variety of mental illnesses, that doesn't make them any less unnatural (based on my definition). The gay and lesbian community has made any argument against homosexuality politically incorrect and labeled anybody who explains one a homophobe. Thus homosexuality has become the only mental illness that is actually rewarded and encouraged on sufferers. Correcting somebody's attraction from the same sex to the opposite one is not 'personality reprogramming'. Your personality and which sex you are attracted to are completely different things.

But that is the massive assumption at the centre of your argument - that homosexuality is a mental illness.
Consider that the LBG community's agenda in terms of their 'illness' is not to raise awareness, or funds for a cure, but to foster acceptance of their lifestyles. They don't sound very ill. What is mental illness, anyway? How can a preference for partners of the same sex - a preference that doesn't harm anyone (apart perhaps from emotionally, like any relationship), isn't catching, life-shortening or debilitating be an illness? how WOULD you define illness? Anal sex is risky - but so is vaginal sex, riding a bike, crossing the road... taking risks does not mean soneone is ill. So anyway yeah - what do you mean by illness?

[Stopper]

Hey the fact that I'm not willing to sort through google for hours doesn't disprove it. If you really have to have this fact checked google is ready and waiting, you'll just have to sort through it all yourself.

Usually, when someone makes some ridiculous assertion to back up some point or other, the onus is on them to prove it. Unfortunately, I don't have the time myself, so what I've done instead is, I've made your little factoid my signature. Perhaps someone will pick up on it and provide us with a credible reference.

[Bertros Bertros]

Hey the fact that I'm not willing to sort through google for hours doesn't disprove it. If you really have to have this fact checked google is ready and waiting, you'll just have to sort through it all yourself.

Usually, when someone makes some ridiculous assertion to back up some point or other, the onus is on them to prove it. Unfortunately, I don't have the time myself, so what I've done instead is, I've made your little factoid my signature. Perhaps someone will pick up on it and provide us with a credible reference.

No need to sort through google for hours... Just ask the all knowing knowledge base of everything... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellatio

Seems you out of luck there chewyman, nice try though... as a small compensation it does seem that ingesting semen of the father can help prevent pre-eclampsia.

[heavycola]

Hey the fact that I'm not willing to sort through google for hours doesn't disprove it. If you really have to have this fact checked google is ready and waiting, you'll just have to sort through it all yourself.

Usually, when someone makes some ridiculous assertion to back up some point or other, the onus is on them to prove it. Unfortunately, I don't have the time myself, so what I've done instead is, I've made your little factoid my signature. Perhaps someone will pick up on it and provide us with a credible reference.

No need to sort through google for hours... Just ask the all knowing knowledge base of everything... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellatio

Seems you out of luck there chewyman, nice try though... as a small compensation it does seem that ingesting semen of the father can help prevent pre-eclampsia.

But why does the guy in the picture have what appears to be a scorching case of herpes? is he a bisexual?