Did you have corporal punishment in your school?

[Dukasaur]

I think one of the worst mistakes our society has made has been to eliminate corporal punishment in the schools.

I see kids of 10 or 12 on the street, swearing like sailors on shore leave, and I ask myself "Where, oh where, is Mrs. Graham when you need her?" (My 2nd grade teacher, Mrs. Graham, was really big on washing kids' mouths out with soap.)

I've had a couple of tradesmen doing work in my home recently, both under 30, both doing terrible shoddy work, and I ask myself "Where's Mr. Hockley when you need him? (Mr. Hockley, my math teacher in grades 7 and 8, was really big on slamming a yardstick over kids' knuckles if they did half-assed, slovenly work. Taught me to line up my equal signs properly, you can be sure of that!)

Whenever I mention that we should bring back corporal punishment in the schools, the SJWs burst into their "bubble bubble, toil and trouble" psycho routine. People just don't seem to get that nothing helps a lesson sink home like a nice side order of pain. Everything they do now like suspensions is just a joke. Behave badly? Win some extra vacation time! There's a real incentive to do better -- NOT.

I know every strapping I ever got was a valuable life lesson. How about you?

[Thorthoth]

Great troll experiment, dik. What the hell are you talking about?? You and you cronies are always handing out 'suspensions'.

[jonesthecurl]

My teachers were a bunch of sadists who would attack you with anything to hand, informally, and hit you with a cane a slipper or the back of their hands formally. Main two lessons it taught as far as I could see was (i) "Hey, bullying is good, the teachers do it, why shouldn't I?" and (ii) "getting caned/slippered/thumped makes my classmates think I'm tough".

[karel]

I think one of the worst mistakes our society has made has been to eliminate corporal punishment in the schools.

I see kids of 10 or 12 on the street, swearing like sailors on shore leave, and I ask myself "Where, oh where, is Mrs. Graham when you need her?" (My 2nd grade teacher, Mrs. Graham, was really big on washing kids' mouths out with soap.)

I've had a couple of tradesmen doing work in my home recently, both under 30, both doing terrible shoddy work, and I ask myself "Where's Mr. Hockley when you need him? (Mr. Hockley, my math teacher in grades 7 and 8, was really big on slamming a yardstick over kids' knuckles if they did half-assed, slovenly work. Taught me to line up my equal signs properly, you can be sure of that!)

Whenever I mention that we should bring back corporal punishment in the schools, the SJWs burst into their "bubble bubble, toil and trouble" psycho routine. People just don't seem to get that nothing helps a lesson sink home like a nice side order of pain. Everything they do now like suspensions is just a joke. Behave badly? Win some extra vacation time! There's a real incentive to do better -- NOT.

I know every strapping I ever got was a valuable life lesson. How about you?

i agree,we had the paddle and i came out normal

[waauw]

Are you really asking for anecdotal evidence here dukkie? The problem with corporal punishment, as with anything concerning people, is that some tend to cross the line. Allow a teacher to exert himself and what is to stop him to simply vent his frustrations on kids? Violence is proven to have many adverse affects on adults, what makes you think it would be any different with minors?

[waauw]

i came out normal

[jonesthecurl]

i came out normal

That a face?
Smart. It's your backside.
Oh, they're just typically normal.
No! This is not manly!
Well, it is unusual. Well, it's like a rabbit! He's got a head on him like a rabbit!
I don't know, it's just not like normal people do.
You're not runnin' around in your underpants are you?

We are normal and we want our freedom
We are normal and we want our freedom

[jonesthecurl]

Also...

if you're normal, I intend to
be a freak for the rest of my life, and I shall baffle
you with cabbages and rhinoceroses in the kitchen,
incessant quotations from "Now We Are
Six" through the mouthpiece of Lord Snooty's giant,
poisoned, electric head.

SO THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE!
Lyrics taken from <a href="https://www.elyrics.net/read/b/bonzo-dog-band-lyrics/my-pink-half-of-the-drainpipe-lyrics.html">this page</a>

[mrswdk]

Duk logic:

- Duk doesn’t swear
- Duk has heard young people swearing
- Duk used to get caned
- Caning prevents swearing

Why not:

- Millenials’ drug use is lower than previous generations
- Culprits in recent sex scandals have all been old
- Older generations got caned
- Caning turns kids into drug-addicted sex abusers

[DirtyDishSoap]

- Swearing is part of our desensitized nation. Pop culture and television (and parenting) play a large part in it. Hearing or saying curses frequently, it just becomes less offensive over time to an individual who's around it. Like the word "cunt" for example. I remember a time when that word was worse than most other curses, but not so much because I frequently use it for stupid people. Kind of why I fail to see how offensive the "N" word is, because A. We don't live in the 1800/1900's, B. Pop culture has now redefined the word and abbreviated it, and C. It's just a word at the end of the day. Sticks and stones.

- Half ass work. This is something I think you need to take up to their manager or take that shit to court. If you entered a contract to where it says something along the lines of the contractor fulfilling a specific job and the requirements needed, they need to be able to fulfill that. Don't blame a generation because you have had a bad experience with someone doing half ass work. Report him, get him written up, something. I'm with you on hating people who are incompetent or half ass their job, but I don't sit idly by and complain about it, I want the fucker to do their job right and if they can't, I'll find someone else that will.

- On one end, I think there's a lack of discipline in my generation, but on another end, would I really want a teacher to touch my kid or practically to do my job in disciplining my child? I'm a phone call away, and even then, the kid has to come back home and I can give out a punishment from there. So I guess I don't have a problem with a hands on approach like spankings and such, but I don't want someone from a school to touch my kid, leave that to the parents I say. Aside from that, with all these fuckin weirdos running around and the sexual assaults that happen at school, wouldn't really feel comfortable with my kid being touched, period. Summary: Blame parents for being shitty parents. Can't expect a teacher to do a parents job.

- I never got touched by a teacher, but I got my ass whooped by my Dad if I ever stepped out of line.

[mrswdk]

- Swearing is part of our desensitized nation.

I thought people these days were all cry baby SJWs making everywhere into safe spaces?

[I] wouldn't really feel comfortable with my kid being touched, period.

Word.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I'd like to think there's people with hair on their balls and chest like me who doesn't get offended by everything that is unagreeable.

[patches70]

If a teacher beats my kid then I'll kick that teacher's teeth in. No one kicks my kid's ass except me.

[mrswdk]

Duk logic:

- Duk doesn’t swear
- Duk has heard young people swearing
- Duk used to get caned
- Caning prevents swearing

Why not:

- Millenials’ drug use is lower than previous generations
- Culprits in recent sex scandals have all been old
- Older generations got caned
- Caning turns kids into drug-addicted sex abusers

New UK government report shines a light on the upset and terror that middle aged parents wreak on their children as they turn to drink to cope with the way they were beaten during their school years:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41665460

[DoomYoshi]

I have yet to meet a kid that didn't deserve a shitkicking. That's pretty much my memory of childhood since I don't hang around kids anymore.

[Dukasaur]

- On one end, I think there's a lack of discipline in my generation, but on another end, would I really want a teacher to touch my kid or practically to do my job in disciplining my child? I'm a phone call away, and even then, the kid has to come back home and I can give out a punishment from there. So I guess I don't have a problem with a hands on approach like spankings and such, but I don't want someone from a school to touch my kid, leave that to the parents I say. Aside from that, with all these fuckin weirdos running around and the sexual assaults that happen at school, wouldn't really feel comfortable with my kid being touched, period. Summary: Blame parents for being shitty parents. Can't expect a teacher to do a parents job.

- I never got touched by a teacher, but I got my ass whooped by my Dad if I ever stepped out of line.

See, I think pretty much the opposite. Four out of five parents that I've seen are totally incompetent. There's congenital retards out there whom I wouldn't trust to operate a jigsaw puzzle but they're allowed to raise kids. There's no test to become a parent, but there are tests to become a teacher.

When I compare the beatings I got from my parents to the strappings I got at school, it's like night and day.

My father would just use me for stress relief when he was pissed off. We'd be working on the car, his wrench would slip and he'd skin his knuckles, so he'd pick up the wrench and beat me in the head with it. There was no rhyme or reason. It wasn't my fault he skinned his knuckles. There was never any attempt to teach any kind of moral lesson.

With teachers force was always restrained, measured, and used to teach. In Grade 3 I lied about having my homework done. Mr. Boros hauled me up in front of the class and gave me a strapping. The lesson was crystal clear: don't lie. If I'd admitted to not having my homework done, I would have had to write lines but I wouldn't have gotten the strap. So, it was a choice of tell the truth about not having homework done and write lines through recess, or lie about not having homework done, hope he doesn't check, and face the strap if he does. I gambled, I lost, and a lesson was learned which I've never forgotten. I won't pretend that I've never lied since then, but I can say that I'm a lot more reluctant to lie than most people I know.

Are you really asking for anecdotal evidence here dukkie? The problem with corporal punishment, as with anything concerning people, is that some tend to cross the line. Allow a teacher to exert himself and what is to stop him to simply vent his frustrations on kids? Violence is proven to have many adverse affects on adults, what makes you think it would be any different with minors?

That kind of thing can be said about anyone in any position of authority. Power will be misused. The challenge is to improve a system so that power is misused less often.

If "abuse of authority" was a reason to abolish something, we'd have to abolish the police, the courts, hell the entire government. All power will inevitably be abused at some point. We work at fine-tuning our laws and demanding more accountability from those in power so that the abuses become fewer and fewer until (we hope) one day they're exceedingly rare. Throwing away a useful tool because some assholes abuse it is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

[mrswdk]

Mr. Boros hauled me up in front of the class and gave me a strapping. The lesson was crystal clear: don't get caught lying.

fixed

[Thorthoth]

If a teacher beats my kid then I'll kick that teacher's teeth in. No one kicks my kid's ass except me.

Teachers need to be armed in the classroom to protect themselves from vengeance-crazed parents like patches.

[waauw]

Are you really asking for anecdotal evidence here dukkie? The problem with corporal punishment, as with anything concerning people, is that some tend to cross the line. Allow a teacher to exert himself and what is to stop him to simply vent his frustrations on kids? Violence is proven to have many adverse affects on adults, what makes you think it would be any different with minors?

That kind of thing can be said about anyone in any position of authority. Power will be misused. The challenge is to improve a system so that power is misused less often.

If "abuse of authority" was a reason to abolish something, we'd have to abolish the police, the courts, hell the entire government. All power will inevitably be abused at some point. We work at fine-tuning our laws and demanding more accountability from those in power so that the abuses become fewer and fewer until (we hope) one day they're exceedingly rare. Throwing away a useful tool because some assholes abuse it is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

The challenge is also realising the limits to systems within systems. Practical feasibility needs to be outweighed with the potential repercussions of negative outcomes.

In any case, you'd first have to prove an aggregate positive effect of corporal punishment. As I mentioned before, anecdotal evidence is insufficient. There is ample evidence that corporal punishment does more harm than good.

Gershoff found "strong associations" between corporal punishment and all eleven child behaviors and experiences. Ten of the associations were negative such as with increased child aggression and antisocial behavior. The single desirable association was between corporal punishment and increased immediate compliance on the part of the child.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx

Children in a school that uses corporal punishment performed significantly worse in tasks involving "executive functioning" -- psychological processes such as planning, abstract thinking, and delaying gratification -- than those in a school relying on milder disciplinary measures such as time-outs, according to a new study involving two private schools in a West African country.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110726111109.htm

Research provides a wealth of information about the less immediate effects of corporal punishment. Among many other things, we know that corporally punishing a child is more likely to result in mental health problems in the future; that child is more likely to become aggressive, have impaired cognitive development and a negative relationship with his or her parents. Children who are corporally punished are also more likely to be victims of violence outside the home. Partner violence is more likely to exist in a family where corporal punishment is used against the children; and the children are more likely to become violent toward others, including their partners, as adults. Even witnessing domestic violence can have psychological effects similar to those experienced in post-traumatic stress disorder.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-long-term-impact-of-corporal-punishment-20150505-ggurdb.html

[Dukasaur]

Are you really asking for anecdotal evidence here dukkie? The problem with corporal punishment, as with anything concerning people, is that some tend to cross the line. Allow a teacher to exert himself and what is to stop him to simply vent his frustrations on kids? Violence is proven to have many adverse affects on adults, what makes you think it would be any different with minors?

That kind of thing can be said about anyone in any position of authority. Power will be misused. The challenge is to improve a system so that power is misused less often.

If "abuse of authority" was a reason to abolish something, we'd have to abolish the police, the courts, hell the entire government. All power will inevitably be abused at some point. We work at fine-tuning our laws and demanding more accountability from those in power so that the abuses become fewer and fewer until (we hope) one day they're exceedingly rare. Throwing away a useful tool because some assholes abuse it is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

The challenge is also realising the limits to systems within systems. Practical feasibility needs to be outweighed with the potential repercussions of negative outcomes.

In any case, you'd first have to prove an aggregate positive effect of corporal punishment. As I mentioned before, anecdotal evidence is insufficient. There is ample evidence that corporal punishment does more harm than good.

Gershoff found "strong associations" between corporal punishment and all eleven child behaviors and experiences. Ten of the associations were negative such as with increased child aggression and antisocial behavior. The single desirable association was between corporal punishment and increased immediate compliance on the part of the child.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx

Children in a school that uses corporal punishment performed significantly worse in tasks involving "executive functioning" -- psychological processes such as planning, abstract thinking, and delaying gratification -- than those in a school relying on milder disciplinary measures such as time-outs, according to a new study involving two private schools in a West African country.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110726111109.htm

Research provides a wealth of information about the less immediate effects of corporal punishment. Among many other things, we know that corporally punishing a child is more likely to result in mental health problems in the future; that child is more likely to become aggressive, have impaired cognitive development and a negative relationship with his or her parents. Children who are corporally punished are also more likely to be victims of violence outside the home. Partner violence is more likely to exist in a family where corporal punishment is used against the children; and the children are more likely to become violent toward others, including their partners, as adults. Even witnessing domestic violence can have psychological effects similar to those experienced in post-traumatic stress disorder.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-long-term-impact-of-corporal-punishment-20150505-ggurdb.html

Yeah, objectively speaking, I know you're right. Subjectively, I still don't like it. Behaving like a schizophrenic orangutan should have consequences.

[mrswdk]

To be fair, if you wanted to beat Thorthoth with a belt I think most of us would support you in that.

[Dukasaur]

If a teacher beats my kid then I'll kick that teacher's teeth in. No one kicks my kid's ass except me.

So the teacher should be a victim, put up with any and all bad behaviours, passively doing nothing and hoping and praying that you're one of the rare parents that will do something about it?

[notyou2]

Our school had corporal punishment, private parts, general mayhem and colonel mustard in the kitchen with a fork.

[Thorthoth]

Our school had corporal punishment, private parts, general mayhem and colonel mustard in the kitchen with a fork.

Said punishment, parts and mayhem were united by Colon. forking.

[mrswdk]

If a teacher beats my kid then I'll kick that teacher's teeth in. No one kicks my kid's ass except me.

So the teacher should be a victim, put up with any and all bad behaviours, passively doing nothing and hoping and praying that you're one of the rare parents that will do something about it?

You say that as if the only options are 'hit the kid' or 'do nothing'.

Did you used to work in the Department of State?