Was Thomas Jefferson a rapist?

[Dukasaur]

The Great White Father loves all of his children.

DId you even read the article?

Contrary to depictions in popular culture, there are no recorded instances of the terms "Great White Father" or "Great White Mother" being used[contradictory], and such terms would be unlikely to have been adopted by indigenous Americans who generally did not have a concept of race. The addition of the word "white" may have entered popular lexicon via western adventure novels.[1]

[Symmetry]

Weirdly fascinating, but it does seem like a bit of an avoidance.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Do you think that if someone advocates for Black Lives Matter now, that invalidates Jefferson being a rapist?

Yes and no. Whether Jefferson was a rapist is irrelevant- by the standards of his day i don't think he was. Or maybe he was? Did he forcibly rape her? Wasn't she around 14? That's probably a fair age for when women were married off 250 years ago. For someone who probably believes cultural norms heavily shape a person, you're sure hung up on painting Jefferson to be a monster.

But back to blm. If i linked an article reporting that the kkk decided to embrace environmentalism, would that give you pause? Blm is the new tea party- what started as a fair issue has been subsumed by racist turds. Blm frequently criticizes white American culture, often giving Islam a pass, or even praising it. Yet any one who knows their history should know the slave trade of the middle east was far worse than in western culture.

So in essence, i don't really give credence to anything that comes from the shit stain that is blm. When they admit their hypocrisy by criticizing Islamic countries as much as they criticize the u.s., I'll reconsider.

-TG

[Symmetry]

Do you think that if someone advocates for Black Lives Matter now, that invalidates Jefferson being a rapist?

Yes and no. Whether Jefferson was a rapist is irrelevant- by the standards of his day i don't think he was. Or maybe he was? Did he forcibly rape her? Wasn't she around 14? That's probably a fair age for when women were married off 250 years ago. For someone who probably believes cultural norms heavily shape a person, you're sure hung up on painting Jefferson to be a monster.

-TG

She wan't married though, was she? She was raped by her slave owner. Rape being legally allowed doesn't stop it being rape, TG.

But back to blm. If i linked an article reporting that the kkk decided to embrace environmentalism, would that give you pause? Blm is the new tea party- what started as a fair issue has been subsumed by racist turds. Blm frequently criticizes white American culture, often giving Islam a pass, or even praising it. Yet any one who knows their history should know the slave trade of the middle east was far worse than in western culture.

So in essence, i don't really give credence to anything that comes from the shit stain that is blm. When they admit their hypocrisy by criticizing Islamic countries as much as they criticize the u.s., I'll reconsider.

-TG

This seems like a bit of a double standard. If a protest movement against the deaths of young black men in the US, mainly at the hands of acknowledged racist police departments doesn't also protest against other issues, then it's somehow bunk?

Seems like BS to me.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I guess a few people have brought up the same point- that what Jefferson did was not a crime in his era. It's a fair point to a certain extent. It falls down when people say that it wasn't rape (DY/MR).

It's not as if he's on trial here. This isn't Russia where you can prosecute dead people, after all.

Then why bring it up at all? I don't get it. Is this your elaborate way of trolling?

250 years vs today is a massive difference in what was morally right and wrong. That's rather fucking obvious.

I don't see you condemning the Vikings for pillaging and raping and massacring people. Or the Romans. Or numerous other people and civilizations in history. Just one figurehead...250 years ago.

You just need to look at this. 250 years ago.

250 years ago.

250

[Dukasaur]

I haven't seen any evidence posted that it was rape. Just an allegation, repeated over and over again.

[Symmetry]

I guess a few people have brought up the same point- that what Jefferson did was not a crime in his era. It's a fair point to a certain extent. It falls down when people say that it wasn't rape (DY/MR).

It's not as if he's on trial here. This isn't Russia where you can prosecute dead people, after all.

Then why bring it up at all? I don't get it. Is this your elaborate way of trolling?

250 years vs today is a massive difference in what was morally right and wrong. That's rather fucking obvious.

I don't see you condemning the Vikings for pillaging and raping and massacring people. Or the Romans. Or numerous other people and civilizations in history. Just one figurehead...250 years ago.

You just need to look at this. 250 years ago.

250 years ago.

250

Kind of a dodge you're going for there. Your point is that if people are angry about something then they should be angry about other things too, right?

It's a dodge, obviously, suggesting hypocrisy, as if actively criticising something means that you passively accept everything else.

Lame stuff, DDS

[DirtyDishSoap]

It's not a dodge, it's a shitty cop-out to blame someone 250 years ago for something that could have been legally and morally right. Rather than focusing on todays issues, we have to focus on something that happened generations ago? It's silly, and you're dumb as hell if you think it accomplishes anything.

If you're going to hold someone accountable for "raping" someone and being a slave owner, then hold everyone in the history of today to the dawn of time, accountable. That's on a global scale.

So I condemn Africa for raping and pillaging each other, and selling the U.S. slaves. (Whom also practice slavery today, shocker), What a bunch of deplorables.

I'm also going to condemn cave men. How dare they rape and drag women into caves just to procreate. Bunch of animals.

[Symmetry]

It's not a dodge, it's a shitty cop-out to blame someone 250 years ago for something that could have been legally and morally right.

What, in your opinion, would have been morally right about raping a 14 year old slave?

[DirtyDishSoap]

It's not a dodge, it's a shitty cop-out to blame someone 250 years ago for something that could have been legally and morally right.

What, in your opinion, would have been morally right about raping a 14 year old slave?

250 years ago, I'd probably have raped every single one of em.

[Symmetry]

It's not a dodge, it's a shitty cop-out to blame someone 250 years ago for something that could have been legally and morally right.

What, in your opinion, would have been morally right about raping a 14 year old slave?

250 years ago, I'd probably have raped every single one of em.

I think your hatred of Black Lives Matter makes more sense now.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Because I think they're blind, racist, ignorant idiots? Hope it makes sense.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Do you think that if someone advocates for Black Lives Matter now, that invalidates Jefferson being a rapist?

Yes and no. Whether Jefferson was a rapist is irrelevant- by the standards of his day i don't think he was. Or maybe he was? Did he forcibly rape her? Wasn't she around 14? That's probably a fair age for when women were married off 250 years ago. For someone who probably believes cultural norms heavily shape a person, you're sure hung up on painting Jefferson to be a monster.

-TG

She wan't married though, was she? She was raped by her slave owner. Rape being legally allowed doesn't stop it being rape, TG.

But back to blm. If i linked an article reporting that the kkk decided to embrace environmentalism, would that give you pause? Blm is the new tea party- what started as a fair issue has been subsumed by racist turds. Blm frequently criticizes white American culture, often giving Islam a pass, or even praising it. Yet any one who knows their history should know the slave trade of the middle east was far worse than in western culture.

So in essence, i don't really give credence to anything that comes from the shit stain that is blm. When they admit their hypocrisy by criticizing Islamic countries as much as they criticize the u.s., I'll reconsider.

-TG

This seems like a bit of a double standard. If a protest movement against the deaths of young black men in the US, mainly at the hands of acknowledged racist police departments doesn't also protest against other issues, then it's somehow bunk?

Seems like BS to me.

Trying to decide if you intentionally missed the point. I'm thinking so.

-TG

[Symmetry]

What was your point then?

[DoomYoshi]

I don't recall your confessing to the crime of raping your sock. I'm sure it would get thrown out of court. It's not illegal or even immoral to "rape" your possessions.

Legally, black people used to not be human, until Thomas Jefferson gave them white people DNA. It's not rape, it's emancipation. That's why he's on the legal tender of the country. Since he was legal and tender.

[Symmetry]

I don't recall your confessing to the crime of raping your sock. I'm sure it would get thrown out of court. It's not illegal or even immoral to "rape" your possessions.

Legally, black people used to not be human, until Thomas Jefferson gave them white people DNA. It's not rape, it's emancipation. That's why he's on the legal tender of the country. Since he was legal and tender.

Rape doesn't stop being being rape if it's legal DY.

[saxitoxin]

I don't recall your confessing to the crime of raping your sock. I'm sure it would get thrown out of court. It's not illegal or even immoral to "rape" your possessions.

Legally, black people used to not be human, until Thomas Jefferson gave them white people DNA. It's not rape, it's emancipation. That's why he's on the legal tender of the country. Since he was legal and tender.

Rape doesn't stop being being rape if it's legal DY.

Well statutory rape does, ergo the "statutory" part.

[mrswdk]

ITT: DDS would be up for raping some 14 year-old girls.

[Thorthoth]

Try again, snowflakes.
Statutory rape is an artificial construct and post-puberty age limits are arbitrary lines drawn in the sand. For most of human history, and in all other species reproduction begins at puberty/sexual maturity.
Statutory rape was originally developed as a form of parental control, or in this case, owner control.

[Bernie Sanders]

ITT: DDS would be up for raping some 14 year-old girls.

DDS would rape children, if the law allows it??????



.....and only if they be black?

[DirtyDishSoap]

ITT: DDS would be up for raping some 14 year-old girls if he was alive 250 years ago.

I also would have liked to be a Viking. Something about pillaging and killing and raping everything in sight is appealing.

[armati]

Not a single person alive today can claim to have either grandparents or great grandparents of which one of them did not have an underage spouse. Only in the last few decades has the age of consent been 18 years of age here in the US.

In 1957, Jerry Lee Lewis made headlines when he married his 13 year old cousin in Mississippi.

In Mexico and some Central American countries, for example, the minimum age for consensual sexual relations is mostly 12 years of age. Since most of the illegal immigrants here in the US are from these countries, it is a natural part of life to have sex with young children.

The massive invasion of immigrants we are now experiencing from Muslim countries brings yet more people to our country who are used to having sex with pre-teens and having multiple wives.

Was Jefferson a pedophile? Not according to the Talmud, god views sex as young as 3 perfectly acceptable.
Sex with slaves, any age.
Gotta love that religious guidance.

Today (thx to the americans) we can buy black girls for as little $200 (sure,black lives matter)


African slaves 'sold in Libyan car parks for $200' | Euronews
http://www.euronews.com › News › World

Was Jefferson a rapest.

Not according to the god of abraham religions, but to common sense and decency?
I would say he was.

[Symmetry]

I'm pretty sure that people can still claim that their grandparents and great-grandparents didn't have an underage spouse. I've no idea why someone would make that claim, but hey...

...at least you came to the right conclusion.

[Thorthoth]

How Symmetry debates anything.
Opposing Views? Flips coin.
Heads: ignore
Tails: misinterpret

[mrswdk]

Like Chigurh from No Country For Old Men, except nowhere near as cool.