Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

[waauw]

I would probably travel to other countries instead of France for my next holiday.

In any case, in France it's not the Muslims that Chinese need to be afraid of:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22925614
http://shanghaiist.com/2016/04/14/chine ... _metro.php
http://m.en.rfi.fr/france/20160904-thou ... acks-paris

Everyone knows France is full of horrendously intolerant bigots.

With all due respect, but as a person of asian descent who for some reason gets confused with the chinese all the time(even though I'm not!) and who has been to France maybe 30-40 times in the past 15 years, I can tell you this: racism against asians(except for middle-easterners) is almost non-existent. And this doesn't just go for France, but every damn country I've every visited, which is about a dozen european nations. I'd even say there are more people with a pro-asian fetisj than there are actual racists against.

[betiko]

I would probably travel to other countries instead of France for my next holiday.

In any case, in France it's not the Muslims that Chinese need to be afraid of:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22925614
http://shanghaiist.com/2016/04/14/chine ... _metro.php
http://m.en.rfi.fr/france/20160904-thou ... acks-paris

Everyone knows France is full of horrendously intolerant bigots.

With all due respect, but as a person of asian descent who for some reason gets confused with the chinese all the time(even though I'm not!) and who has been to France maybe 30-40 times in the past 15 years, I can tell you this: racism against asians(except for middle-easterners) is almost non-existent. And this doesn't just go for France, but every damn country I've every visited, which is about a dozen european nations. I'd even say there are more people with a pro-asian fetisj than there are actual racists against.

At some point i really wonder what's that big hatred you have for my country you obviously don't know nor understand mrswdk. You like to act like a clown and make up any stupid thing about france all the time. Can you just share your experience, and tell us what makes you so butthurt about france?

[Dukasaur]

One of the hottest, most amazing chicks I ever had, truly near-supermodel level, was French. Well, Algerian, but a French citizen.

She could go to the pool in a Star Trek uniform and still look hot.

[mrswdk]

Nothing stupid about highlighting France's 2-3 year suspension of law and order under its state of emergency or its maltreatment of Muslims in general. If China did it everyone else would whine and complain at the top of their lungs so it seems only fair to keep people equally informed when France, America or any other Euro nation does it.

[betiko]

Nothing stupid about highlighting France's 2-3 year suspension of law and order under its state of emergency or its maltreatment of Muslims in general. If China did it everyone else would whine and complain at the top of their lungs so it seems only fair to keep people equally informed when France, America or any other Euro nation does it.

No. You are just trolling all day. If a country is being hit severly over and over by terrorist attacks, and the secret services and police need some special laws for counter terrorist reasons, everybody is willing to give temporarily a piece of freedom for security. That s just what happens everywhere. Maltreatment of muslims you dumb f*ck? The muslim community has been hit by those terrorist attacks too. Anyways... why am I even discussing this with you as you are obviously a troll. Nothing coherant will come out of this discussion, whatever brainfart you make, you're going to back it up with some google search and a couple of dumb articles... which nowadays works for anything.

Have you ever been to france? If so how many times and where? As for most subjects you seem to rely a bit too much on what you find on the internet. Probably your generation's problem. If you are convinced about something, the internet is always going to backup your conviction if you look for it.

[mrswdk]

If a country is being hit severly over and over by terrorist attacks, and the secret services and police need some special laws for counter terrorist reasons, everybody is willing to give temporarily a piece of freedom for security.

Has anything actually been prevented by the hundreds of raids carried out on Muslims homes under the emergency powers? Only thing that seems to have been achieved so far is to put more soldiers on the street as target practice. Take this morning as a case in point.

Anyways, I'm glad you seem to have finally swung round to supporting the Chinese government in the view that it is acceptable for governments to limit certain freedoms (e.g. of expression, demonstration) to protect societal security. There will be one less CCer moaning in OT about how unfair the Chinese govt it, and OT will be all the pleasanter for it ^0^

Have you ever been to france? If so how many times and where?

Normandy, Brittany, Paris, somewhere down south (Canne I think)... Disneyland . Used to go there quite a bit for vacation when I was at school. Haven't been back for a while though.

As for most subjects you seem to rely a bit too much on what you find on the internet.

The burkini ban is a fact. You and waauw have come on here defending it is a fact. I'm just questioning why you think it is defensible.

[betiko]

If a country is being hit severly over and over by terrorist attacks, and the secret services and police need some special laws for counter terrorist reasons, everybody is willing to give temporarily a piece of freedom for security.

Has anything actually been prevented by the hundreds of raids carried out on Muslims homes under the emergency powers? Only thing that seems to have been achieved so far is to put more soldiers on the street as target practice. Take this morning as a case in point.

Anyways, I'm glad you seem to have finally swung round to supporting the Chinese government in the view that it is acceptable for governments to limit certain freedoms (e.g. of expression, demonstration) to protect societal security. There will be one less CCer moaning in OT about how unfair the Chinese govt it, and OT will be all the pleasanter for it ^0^

Have you ever been to france? If so how many times and where?

Normandy, Brittany, Paris, somewhere down south (Canne I think)... Disneyland . Used to go there quite a bit for vacation when I was at school. Haven't been back for a while though.

As for most subjects you seem to rely a bit too much on what you find on the internet.

The burkini ban is a fact. You and waauw have come on here defending it is a fact. I'm just questioning why you think it is defensible.

Actually yes... the state of emergency HAS prevented dozens of attacks in the past two years or so. You talk about freedom, but what is freedom for you? Or what is worse? To know that you might have all your conversations monitored by strangers from the government and you might see a lot of cops and militaries wandering around to secure sensitive areas... or just to be too afraid to go to a concert, go to a restaurant, go see fireworks, read a satire magazine, go to any crowded area..?
What you are saying is idiotic

[mrswdk]

Actually yes... the state of emergency HAS prevented dozens of attacks in the past two years or so.

I'll believe that when I see it.

You talk about freedom, but what is freedom for you? Or what is worse? To know that you might have all your conversations monitored by strangers from the government and you might see a lot of cops and militaries wandering around to secure sensitive areas... or just to be too afraid to go to a concert, go to a restaurant, go see fireworks, read a satire magazine, go to any crowded area..?

If half a dozen attacks over the space of several years make you terrified to engage in normal leisure activities then that's an issue with your own perspective. Would you refuse to get in a car again after reading a few stories about fatal car accidents? Probably not.

Anyway, the state of emergency isn't about monitoring people's communications and increasing foot patrols. It's about giving police the power to raid homes and detain individuals based on far less evidence then they would have needed pre-state of emergency.

[mrswdk]

Actually yes... the state of emergency HAS prevented dozens of attacks in the past two years or so.

I'll believe that when I see it. British police seem to be capable of foiling just as many terror plots as the French police, even without a state of emergency.

You talk about freedom, but what is freedom for you? Or what is worse? To know that you might have all your conversations monitored by strangers from the government and you might see a lot of cops and militaries wandering around to secure sensitive areas... or just to be too afraid to go to a concert, go to a restaurant, go see fireworks, read a satire magazine, go to any crowded area..?

If half a dozen attacks over the space of several years make you terrified to engage in normal leisure activities then that's an issue with your own perspective. The likelihood of being caught up in a terror attack in Paris or London is tiny.

Anyway, the state of emergency isn't about monitoring people's communications and increasing foot patrols. It's about giving police the power to raid homes and detain individuals based on very little actual evidence. In practice, it's about giving police the power to target Muslims fairly indiscriminately. You might be happy with that but you have to at least acknowledge that that's what you're happy with.

[betiko]

Actually yes... the state of emergency HAS prevented dozens of attacks in the past two years or so.

I'll believe that when I see it. British police seem to be capable of foiling just as many terror plots as the French police, even without a state of emergency.

You talk about freedom, but what is freedom for you? Or what is worse? To know that you might have all your conversations monitored by strangers from the government and you might see a lot of cops and militaries wandering around to secure sensitive areas... or just to be too afraid to go to a concert, go to a restaurant, go see fireworks, read a satire magazine, go to any crowded area..?

If half a dozen attacks over the space of several years make you terrified to engage in normal leisure activities then that's an issue with your own perspective. The likelihood of being caught up in a terror attack in Paris or London is tiny.

Anyway, the state of emergency isn't about monitoring people's communications and increasing foot patrols. It's about giving police the power to raid homes and detain individuals based on very little actual evidence. In practice, it's about giving police the power to target Muslims fairly indiscriminately. You might be happy with that but you have to at least acknowledge that that's what you're happy with.

Basically in france, secret services can file certain citizens with letters depending on how dangerous their profile is. The ones rated S are basically the radicalized muslims that are rated as potential terrorists. All of the terrrorist attacks and the ones that have been stopped were done by rated S individuals. Those are roughly 20 000 in france. It s practically impossible to have them all under surveilance all the time. Do you really think the police doesn t have better things to do rather than raid inocent french muslims without evidence of anything while the ones that are clearly dangerous can't be incarcerated unless they actually do something against the law? Stop being an idiot. I m tired of having to repeat it every single day.

[mrswdk]

In the UK people plotting terror attacks have been arrested and put in jail under normal laws, because competent security agencies usually have more proof than 'we just think they're going to do something'. You don't need to suspend due process to catch the people planning attacks (and judging by the number of attacks that have happened in France under the state of emergency it doesn't seem to have been that effective anyway).

[GoranZ]

Since obviously French law concerning clothing for swimming pools is quite older then burkinis(originate from early 2007) I was looking for similar case that happened previously in France...
The erliest I found was from 12 August 2009. French pool bans 'burkini' swim. So obviously the 'oppressed' Muslim swimmer exactly knew what she shouldn't do and dispute that she did it. She should have been jailed for acting smart. Fine of 500 Euros looks like a joke for me now.

[betiko]

Since obviously French law concerning clothing for swimming pools is quite older then burkinis(originate from early 2007) I was looking for similar case that happened previously in France...
The erliest I found was from 12 August 2009. French pool bans 'burkini' swim. So obviously the 'oppressed' Muslim swimmer exactly knew what she shouldn't do and dispute that she did it. She should have been jailed for acting smart. Fine of 500 Euros looks like a joke for me now.

It s much easier than that... you have to wear a normal swimsuit in public swimming pools... it s not even about the religious part. you wouldn t even be allowed to swim in a diving suit.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Yes... and as i said... wearing speedos is a torture for 90% of men. Those who don t want to wear speedos, just don t go to the swimming pool. Or if you re like alergic to chlore, you don t go to the swimming pool. Or whatever reason that makes you uncomfortable to go to the pool. When you go to the pool you also have to pass through this little pond that washes your feet... it s an obligation for all.
You are in a society with rules and laws, everybody has to follow them. This is a complete none issue. If that woman wants to go to a swimming pool with a burkini, she goes to a swimming pool that accepts burkinis. I mean if this is a real society issue, there has to be swimming pools accepting burkinis right?
So either there are way too little french muslims swimming in burkinis, either the pro burkini swimming pools exist, either they don't and you have a business oportunity. My guess is that there are a few swimming pools that accept burkinis, and that there are even fewer women willing to swim in a burkini.

In other words, this is just another story from the media depicted as a social concern, while it s just there to troll the readers about a none issue.

Quoting this so next time some gays can't get a cake or nietzsche tries to sneak across the border, you'll remember you're pretty 'murica right here and can't give us shit.

-TG

[mrswdk]

Or next time he starts a thread about how Americans are all stupid for electing Trump.

[waauw]

Yes... and as i said... wearing speedos is a torture for 90% of men. Those who don t want to wear speedos, just don t go to the swimming pool. Or if you re like alergic to chlore, you don t go to the swimming pool. Or whatever reason that makes you uncomfortable to go to the pool. When you go to the pool you also have to pass through this little pond that washes your feet... it s an obligation for all.
You are in a society with rules and laws, everybody has to follow them. This is a complete none issue. If that woman wants to go to a swimming pool with a burkini, she goes to a swimming pool that accepts burkinis. I mean if this is a real society issue, there has to be swimming pools accepting burkinis right?
So either there are way too little french muslims swimming in burkinis, either the pro burkini swimming pools exist, either they don't and you have a business oportunity. My guess is that there are a few swimming pools that accept burkinis, and that there are even fewer women willing to swim in a burkini.

In other words, this is just another story from the media depicted as a social concern, while it s just there to troll the readers about a none issue.

Quoting this so next time some gays can't get a cake or nietzsche tries to sneak across the border, you'll remember you're pretty 'murica right here and can't give us shit.

-TG

Do mexicans wear burkini's? Or are they just that fat you want them to wear burkini's? This is nothing like USA.
The USA has something called the Patriot Act, France doesn't. Currently the USA is banning immigrants from the country based on nationality, rather than behaviour or qualifications, France doesn't.

[patches70]

Currently the USA is banning immigrants from the country based on nationality, rather than behaviour or qualifications, France doesn't.

Har, maybe you should! You and betko are blabbing about giving up liberties for safety because of all the terrorist attacks. How about keeping people out coming from countries that you've been a party to demolishing in one way or another. Plenty of those people have a grudge (with good reason in some cases, not condoning terrorism, just trying to see things from another's POV) and are primed and ready to be recruited to get some payback.

What's really funny, in an ironic way, is that after a terrorist attack you go ahead and launch airstrikes which destroys more homes, villages, communities and kills a bunch of people (some of which might actually be bad guys, but who really knows?) which in turn causes more people to flee. Those people, who have lost their homes, family members, friends to Western airstrikes, find themselves in the midst of the very Western powers that destroyed their countries.

And we wonder why people become terrorists. It's a never ending vicious circle that just keep perpetuating itself. Forever.

One day, people might wake up and finally realize that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. They can co exist, the world is plenty big enough, but they'll never be able to assimilate with each other. They have vastly different values. Europeans, lapdogs of the US foreign policy insanity, you are the ones who have to face the brunt of the blowback for "spreadin' Democracy" to peoples who wouldn't wanna live in a democratic systems anyway.

But, whatever, keep doubling down on the open door BS and be prepared to see more of your citizens getting murdered in the streets.
Maybe we should stop trying to impose our values by the point of a bayonet on these people.
Blowback, it's a bitch, keep ignoring it at your own folly.

[waauw]

Currently the USA is banning immigrants from the country based on nationality, rather than behaviour or qualifications, France doesn't.

Har, maybe you should! You and betko are blabbing about giving up liberties for safety because of all the terrorist attacks. How about keeping people out coming from countries that you've been a party to demolishing in one way or another. Plenty of those people have a grudge (with good reason in some cases, not condoning terrorism, just trying to see things from another's POV) and are primed and ready to be recruited to get some payback.

What's really funny, in an ironic way, is that after a terrorist attack you go ahead and launch airstrikes which destroys more homes, villages, communities and kills a bunch of people (some of which might actually be bad guys, but who really knows?) which in turn causes more people to flee. Those people, who have lost their homes, family members, friends to Western airstrikes, find themselves in the midst of the very Western powers that destroyed their countries.

And we wonder why people become terrorists. It's a never ending vicious circle that just keep perpetuating itself. Forever.

One day, people might wake up and finally realize that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. They can co exist, the world is plenty big enough, but they'll never be able to assimilate with each other. They have vastly different values. Europeans, lapdogs of the US foreign policy insanity, you are the ones who have to face the brunt of the blowback for "spreadin' Democracy" to peoples who wouldn't wanna live in a democratic systems anyway.

But, whatever, keep doubling down on the open door BS and be prepared to see more of your citizens getting murdered in the streets.
Maybe we should stop trying to impose our values by the point of a bayonet on these people.
Blowback, it's a bitch, keep ignoring it at your own folly.

The immigrants coming from countries we bombed are called 'refugees' and under UN-convention we have a moral and legal responsability to harbour them, as opposed to economic migrants whom we do turn away. Though I do agree how the furtherance of wars have been mismanaged. Personally, I would've preferred if europe just let Assad win. He's a tirant, but at least he's the lesser of bad alternatives.

As well, I also believe islam can be compatible with western values. There are plenty of westernized muslims. The problem is the far right and radical islam reinforcing each other. Equally damaging is complacency. For too long we have just assumed they would assimilate eventually. Policy took a passive stance. I believe an active one will render a lot better results on the long-term. This without completely expelling them from our borders.

ps: call us US lapdogs all you want, but ever since George Bush europe has woken up is is slowly moving away from american hegemony. Trump's anti-EU speeches and pro-Russian speeches have only reinforced this process.

[Donelladan]

With all due respect, but as a person of asian descent who for some reason gets confused with the chinese all the time(even though I'm not!) and who has been to France maybe 30-40 times in the past 15 years, I can tell you this: racism against asians(except for middle-easterners) is almost non-existent. And this doesn't just go for France, but every damn country I've every visited, which is about a dozen european nations. I'd even say there are more people with a pro-asian fetisj than there are actual racists against.

No true. I recently saw a interview of three french people with Asian roots talking about racism against people from Asia in France. Yes there is racism, mainly in the form of strong prejudice when talking about Asians in France.

If a country is being hit severly over and over by terrorist attacks, and the secret services and police need some special laws for counter terrorist reasons, everybody is willing to give temporarily a piece of freedom for security. That s just what happens everywhere. Maltreatment of muslims you dumb f*ck? The muslim community has been hit by those terrorist attacks too.

Definitely NOT everybody is willing to give a piece of freedom.
Tons of people in France are against the emergency state, don't bullshit facts saying everybody agrees. As you may expect, I actually believe peope willing to give up piece of freedom for their security are really dumb and don't deserve their freedom in the first place. When in France cops can arrest people without giving any explanation there is a problem; and as you know emergency state has been used against demonstrators that had nothing to do with terrorism ( or even islam if you wanna make this link).

Also it's not because muslims have been hit by terrorist attack that there is no maltreatment of muslims by the cops.There is no link between those two things. I am not arguing emergency state resulted in maltreatment of muslim, just that your response make no sense here.


Finally, on topic and on the OP, it's about a PRIVATE swimming pool obviously. In private swimming pool men are allowed to wear short in the swimming pool. So stop the argument about speedos and how french swimming pools are so strict, it doesn't hold here. It was a residence with swimming pool. Not a public swimming pool.

Anyways, they can f*ck off and leave france if they don t like our rules. This is how it is, you decided to come here and no one is going to adapt to your customs... you are the one that needs to blend in.

Could you try to make an even dumber statement ?
Let's assume people in the article are french ( with only one nationality ) where should they f*ck off ? I am really wondering.

[mrswdk]

With all due respect, but as a person of asian descent who for some reason gets confused with the chinese all the time(even though I'm not!) and who has been to France maybe 30-40 times in the past 15 years, I can tell you this: racism against asians(except for middle-easterners) is almost non-existent. And this doesn't just go for France, but every damn country I've every visited, which is about a dozen european nations. I'd even say there are more people with a pro-asian fetisj than there are actual racists against.

No true. I recently saw a interview of three french people with Asian roots talking about racism against people from Asia in France. Yes there is racism, mainly in the form of strong prejudice when talking about Asians in France.

lol, I'd meant to reply to this when I saw it but was in the middle of doing something else and forgot.

waauw went on holiday to Paris and none of the waiters were rude to him. Therefore, people in France are never racist towards Chinese.

as you know emergency state has been used against demonstrators that had nothing to do with terrorism ( or even islam if you wanna make this link).

inb4 betiko gets fed up and calls you an idiot

Anyways, they can f*ck off and leave france if they don t like our rules. This is how it is, you decided to come here and no one is going to adapt to your customs... you are the one that needs to blend in.

Could you try to make an even dumber statement ?
Let's assume people in the article are french ( with only one nationality ) where should they f*ck off ? I am really wondering.

+100 wdkbucks

[waauw]

With all due respect, but as a person of asian descent who for some reason gets confused with the chinese all the time(even though I'm not!) and who has been to France maybe 30-40 times in the past 15 years, I can tell you this: racism against asians(except for middle-easterners) is almost non-existent. And this doesn't just go for France, but every damn country I've every visited, which is about a dozen european nations. I'd even say there are more people with a pro-asian fetisj than there are actual racists against.

No true. I recently saw a interview of three french people with Asian roots talking about racism against people from Asia in France. Yes there is racism, mainly in the form of strong prejudice when talking about Asians in France.

Sure there will always be some assholes, but accross the whole there are very few. I've encountered racism as well, but by far not as much as I've observed against muslims and black africans, and I mean this in terms of personal observation rather than media reports. Asians are very well accepted.

[waauw]

With all due respect, but as a person of asian descent who for some reason gets confused with the chinese all the time(even though I'm not!) and who has been to France maybe 30-40 times in the past 15 years, I can tell you this: racism against asians(except for middle-easterners) is almost non-existent. And this doesn't just go for France, but every damn country I've every visited, which is about a dozen european nations. I'd even say there are more people with a pro-asian fetisj than there are actual racists against.

No true. I recently saw a interview of three french people with Asian roots talking about racism against people from Asia in France. Yes there is racism, mainly in the form of strong prejudice when talking about Asians in France.

lol, I'd meant to reply to this when I saw it but was in the middle of doing something else and forgot.

waauw went on holiday to Paris and none of the waiters were rude to him. Therefore, people in France are never racist towards Chinese.

Say whatever you want, but the only moment I will take media reports above personal experience is if they can show some statistics or an interview with respectable field authorities. Reported anecdotal evidence means nothing to me but media sensation.

[mrswdk]

With all due respect, but as a person of asian descent who for some reason gets confused with the chinese all the time(even though I'm not!) and who has been to France maybe 30-40 times in the past 15 years, I can tell you this: racism against asians(except for middle-easterners) is almost non-existent. And this doesn't just go for France, but every damn country I've every visited, which is about a dozen european nations. I'd even say there are more people with a pro-asian fetisj than there are actual racists against.

No true. I recently saw a interview of three french people with Asian roots talking about racism against people from Asia in France. Yes there is racism, mainly in the form of strong prejudice when talking about Asians in France.

lol, I'd meant to reply to this when I saw it but was in the middle of doing something else and forgot.

waauw went on holiday to Paris and none of the waiters were rude to him. Therefore, people in France are never racist towards Chinese.

Say whatever you want, but the only moment I will take media reports above personal experience is if they can show some statistics or an interview with respectable field authorities. Reported anecdotal evidence means nothing to me but media sensation.

But your personal anecdotal evidence is solid?

[waauw]

Say whatever you want, but the only moment I will take media reports above personal experience is if they can show some statistics or an interview with respectable field authorities. Reported anecdotal evidence means nothing to me but media sensation.

But your personal anecdotal evidence is solid?

With my own experiences I have a better grip of probability and frequency. With anecdotal media reports less so. Besides it's human nature to value personal experience highly.

[mrswdk]

Say whatever you want, but the only moment I will take media reports above personal experience is if they can show some statistics or an interview with respectable field authorities. Reported anecdotal evidence means nothing to me but media sensation.

But your personal anecdotal evidence is solid?

With my own experiences I have a better grip of probability and frequency. With anecdotal media reports less so. Besides it's human nature to value personal experience highly.

Being a tourist is a completely different experience to actually living somewhere.