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Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby GoranZ on Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:22 am

Someone is whining again... Sorry wont work ;)

United Against Islamaphobia in France (Le Collectif Contre l’Islamophobie en France, CCIF) yesterday (August 2) published an article which details Fadila’s* surprise when a staff member at the residence she was renting with her husband and three children asked everyone to leave the pool while she was swimming.

Fadila explained in the article that the owner later contacted her saying he had received a call from the building’s syndicate claiming woman wearing a burqa had got into the pool in her clothes and when someone asked her to get out she had refused. ā€œI was stunned,ā€ she said, ā€œbecause no one had stopped me or said anything at all.ā€

The owner called Fadila’s husband asking that she refrain from swimming for the rest of their stay. He also purportedly told the couple that they must foot the bill for the pool being emptied and cleaned and pay damages because it was out of use for two days.

When the husband and wife refused to pay on the grounds that the pool was never closed or emptied, they said the owner took their 490-euro deposit without producing any proof of invoice.
ā€œI was disappointed, shocked, wounded by the fact that someone could be so hypocritical and wicked because of a burkini,ā€ said Fadila.

According to the CCIF, Fadila’s burkini could not have caused a hygiene issue as she was not swimming in her clothes but ā€œgarments that are specially adapted for swimmingā€.

Burkinis are generally made from light fabric that is easy to dry, similar to that used for thin diving wetsuits and professional swimsuits, it continued.
*CCIF changed the first names of those concerned.

The most important part of the article:
French swimmming pools often prohibit beach swim-wear such as swimming shorts on the grounds that they are unhygienic.

Woman made to pay pool cleaning fees after swimming in burkini
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby betiko on Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:44 am

Exactly. Men are unalowed to use swim shorts in public swimming pools for being unhygienic (we have to use those offensive speedos), so imganine how that full garnment of sweat and smells can be considered.
Anyways, they can f*ck off and leave france if they don t like our rules. This is how it is, you decided to come here and no one is going to adapt to your customs... you are the one that needs to blend in.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby Bernie Sanders on Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:26 am

We should only be allowed to skinny dip. =D>
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby mrswdk on Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:37 am

Wasn't waauw just sounding off in my Germany thread about how Europeans are really respectful of other cultures and definitely do not oppress or mistreat minorities? What a shame.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby waauw on Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:35 am

mrswdk wrote:Wasn't waauw just sounding off in my Germany thread about how Europeans are really respectful of other cultures and definitely do not oppress or mistreat minorities? What a shame.


No I was sounding off that the chinese should respect local cultures. French culture = local culture =/= Burkini
There you go again with your wordtwisting.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby mrswdk on Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:46 am

waauw wrote:
mrswdk wrote:Wasn't waauw just sounding off in my Germany thread about how Europeans are really respectful of other cultures and definitely do not oppress or mistreat minorities? What a shame.


No I was sounding off that the chinese should respect local cultures. French culture = local culture =/= Burkini
There you go again with your wordtwisting.


waauw wrote:Unlike China we don't violently suppress minorities.


viewtopic.php?f=8&t=224239&p=4960492#p4960379

waauw wrote:It is not french state policy to suppress Islam


viewtopic.php?f=8&t=224239&p=4960492#p4960396
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby waauw on Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:10 am

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=4960158

This just shows that Chinese people don't know how to respect local cultures. Even after years in London mrswdk still hasn't caught on to western morals.


The very first words I said in the thread. France intends to protect its own local customs, and has the right to do so as natives. Most muslims get along just fine with these issues as do almost all other minorities. There are limits to imported customs and traditions.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby mrswdk on Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:52 am

So national governments are entitled to enforce a single national culture on all their citizens?

Like the Chinese government does in Xinjiang and Tibet?
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby betiko on Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:03 am

mrswdk wrote:So national governments are entitled to enforce a single national culture on all their citizens?

Like the Chinese government does in Xinjiang and Tibet?


Shut up mrswdk. You are an unfunny idiot troll wannabe. Just grow up, stop being the whinny kid that makes everbody's eyes roll.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby mrswdk on Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:19 am

betiko wrote:
mrswdk wrote:So national governments are entitled to enforce a single national culture on all their citizens?

Like the Chinese government does in Xinjiang and Tibet?


Shut up mrswdk. You are an unfunny idiot troll wannabe. Just grow up, stop being the whinny kid that makes everbody's eyes roll.


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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby waauw on Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:22 am

mrswdk wrote:So national governments are entitled to enforce a single national culture on all their citizens?

Like the Chinese government does in Xinjiang and Tibet?


Han chinese aren't native to Tibet, the Tibetans are. The chinese are invaders. As for Xinjiang, the situation is more complicated there with both Turkic and and Han Chinese customs being local and intertwined for centuries already.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby mrswdk on Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:56 am

waauw wrote:
mrswdk wrote:So national governments are entitled to enforce a single national culture on all their citizens?

Like the Chinese government does in Xinjiang and Tibet?


Han chinese aren't native to Tibet, the Tibetans are. The chinese are invaders. As for Xinjiang, the situation is more complicated there with both Turkic and and Han Chinese customs being local and intertwined for centuries already.


tbh declaring that Han or other Chinese people have no business in Tibet because they are the wrong ethnicity isn't really any different from declaring that Jews have no business in Germany because they are the wrong ethnicity. There's just no good reason to say 'person x isn't allowed to live here or influence the way of life here because people of their ethnicity didn't used to live here'.

For the record I don't agree with all of the Chinese government's approach towards cultural assimilation. I can understand their rationale for taking the approach they do: China the country was only reunified 70 years ago, and against that backdrop the government would rather have one 'Chinese' identity than lots of fragmented, regional identities (especially while they are still struggling with the reintegration of Hong Kong and Taiwan). That said, in practice the government's 'Chinese' culture is essentially the culture of the Han (as they make up about 95% of the country), and China largely ends up being the Han nation with little enclaves of minority culture dotted around the place. IMO it would be possible for the Chinese government to instead foster some sort of one Chinese culture that acknowledges its diversity as one of its defining features, similar to how Caribbean and South Asian cultural influences have become integral parts of 'British culture' (if there is such a thing). This would remove the need to keep trying to restrict the influence of old Tibetan and Xinjiang cultural (mainly religious) practices that many people still hang on to.

That's also the reason why I don't agree with the approach France takes towards its Muslim citizens and residents. Why do you or anyone else care if some woman wants to cover up at the pool? Are you also going to start hanging around nightclubs and making women roll their skirts up over their knees if they want to be allowed in?
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby patches70 on Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:57 pm

It's funny banning burkinis for being unhygienic when everyone pisses in the pool anyway. If the pool can filter out gallons of piss then I think it can handle a few sweaty prudes with little to no problems. The hygiene argument is bullshit obviously. It's just an excuse to discriminate Muslims.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby Bernie Sanders on Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:33 pm

patches70 wrote:It's funny banning burkinis for being unhygienic when everyone pisses in the pool anyway. If the pool can filter out gallons of piss then I think it can handle a few sweaty prudes with little to no problems. The hygiene argument is bullshit obviously. It's just an excuse to discriminate Muslims.



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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby betiko on Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:06 pm

patches70 wrote:It's funny banning burkinis for being unhygienic when everyone pisses in the pool anyway. If the pool can filter out gallons of piss then I think it can handle a few sweaty prudes with little to no problems. The hygiene argument is bullshit obviously. It's just an excuse to discriminate Muslims.


the real reason why public swimming pools in france ban all these things, is for people not to show up with their street clothe and claiming it's their swim wear. like swim shorts... I guess at some point kids started going to public swimming pools in short pants and such, so they decided to put these rules... same goes for tshirts or whatever... you can only use speedos for men and 1 or 2 piece swimsuit for women... you're not allowed to go topless either, and you have to wear a bonet or whatever it's called so you don't put hair everywhere. I mean there are some strict dresscodes there, if you don't like it, go to a private swimming pool where you can do what you want.
People are not going to bend the rules because of the way you decide to follow your religion.... like 95% of french muslims wouldn't do that, if you're not happy no one cares. I fucking hate speedos, and if it was something that would bother me to wear because of my religious beliefs, I just wouldn't go to places where i'm forced to wear a speedo. Simple as that.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby betiko on Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:08 pm

mrswdk wrote:
betiko wrote:
mrswdk wrote:So national governments are entitled to enforce a single national culture on all their citizens?

Like the Chinese government does in Xinjiang and Tibet?


Shut up mrswdk. You are an unfunny idiot troll wannabe. Just grow up, stop being the whinny kid that makes everbody's eyes roll.


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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby mrswdk on Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:17 pm

betiko wrote:
patches70 wrote:It's funny banning burkinis for being unhygienic when everyone pisses in the pool anyway. If the pool can filter out gallons of piss then I think it can handle a few sweaty prudes with little to no problems. The hygiene argument is bullshit obviously. It's just an excuse to discriminate Muslims.


the real reason why public swimming pools in france ban all these things, is for people not to show up with their street clothe and claiming it's their swim wear. like swim shorts... I guess at some point kids started going to public swimming pools in short pants and such, so they decided to put these rules... same goes for tshirts or whatever... you can only use speedos for men and 1 or 2 piece swimsuit for women... you're not allowed to go topless either, and you have to wear a bonet or whatever it's called so you don't put hair everywhere. I mean there are some strict dresscodes there, if you don't like it, go to a private swimming pool where you can do what you want.
People are not going to bend the rules because of the way you decide to follow your religion.... like 95% of french muslims wouldn't do that, if you're not happy no one cares. I fucking hate speedos, and if it was something that would bother me to wear because of my religious beliefs, I just wouldn't go to places where i'm forced to wear a speedo. Simple as that.


Wearing shorts, t-shirts, going topless or having uncovered hair are not matters of deep morale conviction. No one ever felt like they were no longer able to visit a public pool after being told they weren't allowed to go topless there. However, for some Muslim women, telling them they can't cover up is effectively banning them from the pool. For them their beliefs mean that going uncovered is simply not an option.

Obvs I think moral convictions are a totally ridiculous concept in the first place, but deliberately excluding a whole population subgroup from parts of public life for no real reason other than because you've decided you don't like their personal beliefs seems way out of proportion.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby GoranZ on Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:46 pm

mrswdk wrote:
betiko wrote:
patches70 wrote:It's funny banning burkinis for being unhygienic when everyone pisses in the pool anyway. If the pool can filter out gallons of piss then I think it can handle a few sweaty prudes with little to no problems. The hygiene argument is bullshit obviously. It's just an excuse to discriminate Muslims.


the real reason why public swimming pools in france ban all these things, is for people not to show up with their street clothe and claiming it's their swim wear. like swim shorts... I guess at some point kids started going to public swimming pools in short pants and such, so they decided to put these rules... same goes for tshirts or whatever... you can only use speedos for men and 1 or 2 piece swimsuit for women... you're not allowed to go topless either, and you have to wear a bonet or whatever it's called so you don't put hair everywhere. I mean there are some strict dresscodes there, if you don't like it, go to a private swimming pool where you can do what you want.
People are not going to bend the rules because of the way you decide to follow your religion.... like 95% of french muslims wouldn't do that, if you're not happy no one cares. I fucking hate speedos, and if it was something that would bother me to wear because of my religious beliefs, I just wouldn't go to places where i'm forced to wear a speedo. Simple as that.


Wearing shorts, t-shirts, going topless or having uncovered hair are not matters of deep morale conviction. No one ever felt like they were no longer able to visit a public pool after being told they weren't allowed to go topless there. However, for some Muslim women, telling them they can't cover up is effectively banning them from the pool. For them their beliefs mean that going uncovered is simply not an option.

Obvs I think moral convictions are a totally ridiculous concept in the first place, but deliberately excluding a whole population subgroup from parts of public life for no real reason other than because you've decided you don't like their personal beliefs seems way out of proportion.

French pool, french rules... simple isn't it.

I pointed out the important part from your post... Personal beliefs are named personal for a reason ;)
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby betiko on Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:10 am

Yes... and as i said... wearing speedos is a torture for 90% of men. Those who don t want to wear speedos, just don t go to the swimming pool. Or if you re like alergic to chlore, you don t go to the swimming pool. Or whatever reason that makes you uncomfortable to go to the pool. When you go to the pool you also have to pass through this little pond that washes your feet... it s an obligation for all.
You are in a society with rules and laws, everybody has to follow them. This is a complete none issue. If that woman wants to go to a swimming pool with a burkini, she goes to a swimming pool that accepts burkinis. I mean if this is a real society issue, there has to be swimming pools accepting burkinis right?
So either there are way too little french muslims swimming in burkinis, either the pro burkini swimming pools exist, either they don't and you have a business oportunity. My guess is that there are a few swimming pools that accept burkinis, and that there are even fewer women willing to swim in a burkini.

In other words, this is just another story from the media depicted as a social concern, while it s just there to troll the readers about a none issue.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby mrswdk on Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:21 am

If Macron wants to gas all the Muslims and initiate the Fifth Reich then I couldn't really care less to be honest. Just don't expect to have any credibility next time you pussies complain about whatever the NYT told you the Chinese government is doing in China.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby betiko on Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:33 am

mrswdk wrote:If Macron wants to gas all the Muslims and initiate the Fifth Reich then I couldn't really care less to be honest. Just don't expect to have any credibility next time you pussies complain about whatever the NYT told you the Chinese government is doing in China.


Well, we don t put people in jail here because of their political ideas, if that's the same thing for you than not accepting to bend public swimming pool rules, what can i say... you win the thread!
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby mrswdk on Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:42 am

betiko wrote:
mrswdk wrote:If Macron wants to gas all the Muslims and initiate the Fifth Reich then I couldn't really care less to be honest. Just don't expect to have any credibility next time you pussies complain about whatever the NYT told you the Chinese government is doing in China.


Well, we don t put people in jail here because of their political ideas


Pretty sure Marine Le Pen's dad and that quenelle comedian have been handed down big fines by the French govt for saying stuff the government didn't like.

But yah that's okay because the French government did it.
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby riskllama on Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:00 am

betiko wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
betiko wrote:
mrswdk wrote:So national governments are entitled to enforce a single national culture on all their citizens?

Like the Chinese government does in Xinjiang and Tibet?


Shut up mrswdk. You are an unfunny idiot troll wannabe. Just grow up, stop being the whinny kid that makes everbody's eyes roll.


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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby GoranZ on Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:34 pm

mrswdk wrote:If Macron wants to gas all the Muslims and initiate the Fifth Reich then I couldn't really care less to be honest.

when we are talking about unrealistic events... If Extreme Muslims in France particularity attack Chinese tourists and kill most of them would you care?
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Re: Swimming pools in France free of Burkinis

Postby mrswdk on Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:49 pm

I would probably travel to other countries instead of France for my next holiday.

In any case, in France it's not the Muslims that Chinese need to be afraid of:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22925614
http://shanghaiist.com/2016/04/14/chine ... _metro.php
http://m.en.rfi.fr/france/20160904-thou ... acks-paris

Everyone knows France is full of horrendously intolerant bigots.
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