Mass Effect 1 - Thorian (Cult) Wins!

[Ragian]

On my way back from festival.

I need to understand if people are voting mitch because they don't believe his claim or because they think that chu was being scummy. The latter, mitch can't really defend against.

@mitch,any reads you want to get off your chest in case you're lynched?

[DirtyDishSoap]

okay Dakky , you are proberly right. if I need to be punished I accept it, sorry guys and mod

You're fine, I did send you a PM about your revival and what would constitute in sharing, in this case, you were asked (amidst pressure).
Mitch didn't break any guideline that I gave him.

[madmitch]

@ Ragian , I find Dakky scummy , he wants to hang me even after he said he believes me ,I think we are giving to much credit to Benga's jailor claim STrikes remark their isn't any better lynch than me is a lazy claim , not even looking for anyone else ,just voting on Fircoats lack of posts, I really didn't think there was anything that wrong in Dooms question to me I thought that was townish but now I see it could be scummy , now I must reread every thing and see who else is scummy out there

[DoomYoshi]

If he is allowed to replace in, the mod must've thought the information from a past life was not unbalancing.

[Samlen]

Feels like people are lynching again just to lynch. We had very little information on fircoal other than lurking (which honestly could be a sign of disinterest BECAUSE of a boring role like vanilla) and now all we have is a claim by mitch. I'm guessing it's either legit or mitch was given a fake claim. I'm leaning more towards the first and am a bit suspicious of those jumped on the wagon right away after being replaced.

[DoomYoshi]

So either benga is scum or scum tried to off benga. What do you think about the bodyguard information now that we have it?

[benga]

So either benga is scum or scum tried to off benga. What do you think about the bodyguard information now that we have it?

so I am scum by jailing caff and preventing N! kill and furthermore telling so?

what?

[benga]

mitch 1st said he was vanilla and then he guarded me?

really?

[Ragian]

Mitch is claiming his current role is vanilla and that his former was a bodyguard...right?

[Minister Masket]

Feels like people are lynching again just to lynch. We had very little information on fircoal other than lurking (which honestly could be a sign of disinterest BECAUSE of a boring role like vanilla) and now all we have is a claim by mitch. I'm guessing it's either legit or mitch was given a fake claim. I'm leaning more towards the first and am a bit suspicious of those jumped on the wagon right away after being replaced.

Unlike those that did jump on straight away, I held back to see what he would post. And frankly, all I got out of it was a headache.

Vote Mitch

I for one am willing to take the Vanilla risk, although I suspect there's something else there given his confusion earlier. Same feeling I got with Thor's posts.

[Minister Masket]

Whoops...

UNVOTE
Vote Mitch

[madmitch]

f*ck what is wrong with some of you people? in my first life my ability was body guard, in this life my ability is vanilla which I take as a have no abilities except my vote, @ MM let me try to explain what I said earlier, Dakky said he believed me but still wants to hang me (scummy) Strike wants to hang me also /no apparent reason/now you want to hang me also -no reason, also I did believe Benga's claim until he stated that he block thort,could be a mistake or maybe he is a hooker ? So that is about all I can say , so if you want to get rid of another townplayer go ahead and kill me

[madmitch]

I think it is scummy that MM wants to take chance to hang me

[DoomYoshi]

So either benga is scum or scum tried to off benga. What do you think about the bodyguard information now that we have it?

so I am scum by jailing caff and preventing N! kill and furthermore telling so?

what?

No, I am assuming that bodyguard dies when targeting scum. That might not be the case though.

[Skoffin]

well here we go again,does not look like I am going to be around much longer,can't defend my self any better than I did, understood why you went after fircoat for lack of posting but some off you won't even give me a chance.Dakky you keep saying you believe my claim but you still want to hang that is really scummy,and Strikewolf I can't believe you are taking Dakky side, I believe one of you maybe both are 3rd party.KEEP AN EYE ON WHO HUNG ME and when it turns out I was telling the truth go after them

I find it odd that Mitch is suggesting people voting him are third party rather than saying 'scum' or even 'mafia'. It seems oddly specific to call people out as just third party for voting him.

A few things that bother me:

The notion that some seem to be putting out that there was no basis to lynching chu other than his lurking. That is bollocks. I've already stated multiple times the odd connection between chu and Caff so to say it's just about lurking is completely disingenuous. As the deadline approached D1 the only lynch that could have happened was going to be Fircoal and scum will never let an opportunity for a mislynch go on by. Fircoal was close to a lynch and DDS had put out a vote count showing as much, yet Caff still chose NOT to vote Fircoal to try for a mislynch and instead voted someone else that no one else was interested in. If Fircoal was town then a scum threw away a chance at a town mislynch for no reason.

Then on D2 after Caff became the likely lynch target and after some other people mentioned fircoal as a possible scummy THEN Caff went full on suggesting Fircoal was scum and we should lynch him. The turn about there was bizarre, particularly as he had a chance to lynch fircoal the day before but did not want to but suddenly he's keen when Caffs own neck is on the line. Caff clearly has a bit of an ego, and he surely would consider himself more valuable than any of his team-mates - that is really the only way his turnabout makes sense. He didn't want to lynch a team mate until he preferred sacrificing a team mate to save himself.


As for the name claim mitch gave; well I have already stated that I will not be considering names so yolo.
But we also need to look at this in context of the game; maf are already two members down, if Fircoal is indeed one of them then that team will basically be annihilated this early in.
I have never before seen a mod suspend votes on a player being replaced, usually they just say they are getting a replacement and the players themselves decide to hold off if they want.
I don't recall seeing a vote count get reset either, usually the votes just transfer over to the new player taking over the role.
It almost seems like the mod is trying to give this role a fighting chance to stay in the game, and it's just a vanilla?

Mitch replacing in would have a hard time trying to dissuade people from lynching him; hell even the best of players would have a hard time surviving in a situation where they come in as the top lynch suspect and they have next to no time to think of a fake claim. I think in this case it would be extremely likely that DDS would have to give mitch a quick fake claim to use to help him out, as otherwise this game he clearly worked hard on would be over pretty quickly.
Mitch could be truthful about his role sure, but I also think if he isn't town then the mod would *have* to give him a fakeclaim to enter with so as to make it a fair playing field so I don't think his name means anything.
So if anyone wants to convince me he is town then I'd like to hear some theories about what they think Caff was doing in regards to chu.

[Ragian]

@ Ragian , I find Dakky scummy , he wants to hang me even after he said he believes me ,I think we are giving to much credit to Benga's jailor claim STrikes remark their isn't any better lynch than me is a lazy claim , not even looking for anyone else ,just voting on Fircoats lack of posts, I really didn't think there was anything that wrong in Dooms question to me I thought that was townish but now I see it could be scummy , now I must reread every thing and see who else is scummy out there

While that seems annoying, do you think dakky, who was instrumental in getting Thor shot, is scum? Do you have anything else about dakky?

[madmitch]

@ Rags ,my old self thought he was scum and he was suspcious of Caff and Benga, he also thought that MM was cult since he kept bringing it up, Dakky and Caff did protect Thort ,I think Dakky just said enough of this ,better him than me, and even Caff thought Dakky was scum but this was before we found him out. I BELIEVE YOU ,DOOM AND SKITTLES ARE TOWN, and Sam and skoffin could be 3rd party.Now to my claim DDS did not give out any fake claims and since I had lots of time ,I think I would have come up with a better claim,This is who I am and I can't help it

[TA1LGUNN3R]

When's the deadline? I'll go ahead and vote skittles in keeping with my previous posts. I must go over the last few pages again, though, because i think skoffin brings up some good points.

-Tails

[madmitch]

@ Skoffin under the mod rules you will see that DDS said he would not give out any fake claims

[Skoffin]

pffft who reads rules

[DirtyDishSoap]

Vote count

(1) Skittles - Tails
(1) Sam - DY
(5) Mitch - Skoffin, Skittles, Dakky, Benga, MM

With 13 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

[benga]

Vote count

(1) Skittles - Tails
(1) Sam - DY
(5) Mitch - Skoffin, Skittles, Dakky, Benga, MM

With 13 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

don't you mean 7?

[dakky21]

@ mitch

I believe the reason for returning you to the game is one of the following:
-1- Chu was something important for the game - for example cult leader, terrorist (Balak?), doctor, cop, whatever.
or
-2- Chu was super unimportant so it doesn't matter what happens with him

I don't believe your claim and I think it would be easier for DDS to just modkill Chu instead of searching for replacement if it was the case #2. And if you're really vanilla and DDS gave so much time to Chu with double prodding and then replacing, then sorry for being wrong.

I still think it's the #1 case here and while we could lynch a super town role, you're at L-1 so claim what you really are.

[madmitch]

ALREADY CLAIMED MY REAL CLAIM !!! Wish I had a better one but I don't .TOWN REMEMBER WHO KILLED ME, MOST LIKELY THEY ARE SCUM OR 3RD PARTY

[Samlen]

Is metagaming a norm here? Usually we're supposed to try and go through the game not taking the mods choices into account. Besides, a mod finding a replacement instead of modkilling is almost always preferable to keep the game going so that random roles just don't die. A vanilla might not matter as much as a cop or jailer but they still count in terms of numbers, vote, and opinion.