Crazy McCain

[mrswdk]

After he torpedoed his party's health bill, probably by accident, the question must be asked: is Sen McCain now too old and addled to effectively serve in office?

[Dukasaur]

That's what they said about Churchill, until war came and suddenly he was everybody's friend.

[degaston]

After he torpedoed his party's health bill, probably by accident, the question must be asked: is Sen McCain now too old and addled to effectively serve in office?

He knows he's dying soon, so he's trying to get on "God's" good side by making amends for all the damage he's caused over the years. He can finally vote for the good of the country, rather than what's good for the rich, or the Republican party.

The bill was a sham and a disaster. The Republicans had seven years to come up with something better, but didn't even start thinking about it until Trump was elected. It was easy for them to play political games by voting to repeal when Obama was president, because they knew that there would be no consequences for their actions. Now that it could actually become law, the few that have a conscience, or come from an unsafe district/state are having second thoughts.

The stupidest part of all this is that the ACA started with a Republican plan, but once the black guy decided that it was a good idea...


... because...


Now there's some fine leadership right there. Congratulations! You managed to divide the country, and fool a lot of people into giving you complete control of the government. But you never had any plan for helping the country - just yourselves.

[tzor]

After he torpedoed his party's health bill, probably by accident, the question must be asked: is Sen McCain now too old and addled to effectively serve in office?

They were saying that when he ran for President ...

[karel]

he is a piece of shit and a traitor,and he is not a damn hero,wish people would stop calling him a war hero,war heroes dont get caught ,

[riskllama]

he is a piece of shit and a traitor,and he is not a damn hero,wish people would stop calling him a war hero,war heroes dont get caught ,

...lol, nice. wow, man.

[Symmetry]

Kittens Are McCute (Write in)

[karel]

he is a piece of shit and a traitor,and he is not a damn hero,wish people would stop calling him a war hero,war heroes dont get caught ,

...lol, nice. wow, man.

am i suppose to like him? think not

[riskllama]

of course not, karel - but you shouldn't shit on him for being a pow. i mean, at least HE WENT.

[karel]

of course not, karel - but you shouldn't shit on him for being a pow. i mean, at least HE WENT.

true,but he is not a hero,he was a solder

[Symmetry]

of course not, karel - but you shouldn't shit on him for being a pow. i mean, at least HE WENT.

true,but he is not a hero,he was a solder

Lol- exactly what Trump thought. And he was exactly wrong. Not a Trump soldier, but a hero.

[Symmetry]

When can he disappoint me on whatever comes next? I have a whole set of disillusionment prepared.

[tzor]

he is a piece of shit and a traitor,and he is not a damn hero,wish people would stop calling him a war hero,war heroes dont get caught ,

War heroes do get caught. That's a pretty stupid thing to say. It's not like the average air force pilot is equipped like Rambo in his cockpit.

Back in WWII, for example, many fighter crewmen including pilots wanted to be caught once they were forced to leave their planes. The German army was still supporting all the conventions of war. The German civilians wanted to hang the bastards who just blew up their village.

If you want a good argument (from a conservative) on why McCain is no "Hero" I would suggest you read This. "McCain all by himself nearly sank a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier ... This stunt and aftermath caused the deathof 134 sailors." The only reason he wasn't thrown out of the military right then and there was that his father was a four star admiral who didn't want his own reputation tarnished because of his disgraceful son.

[mrswdk]

This. "McCain all by himself nearly sank a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier ... This stunt and aftermath caused the deathof 134 sailors." The only reason he wasn't thrown out of the military right then and there was that his father was a four star admiral who didn't want his own reputation tarnished because of his disgraceful son.

Sounds like Ol' Crazy has a lengthy track record in sabotaging everyone around him on a whim. Looks like Trump's found his next candidate for early retirement!

[Dukasaur]

he is a piece of shit and a traitor,and he is not a damn hero,wish people would stop calling him a war hero,war heroes dont get caught ,

War heroes do get caught. That's a pretty stupid thing to say. It's not like the average air force pilot is equipped like Rambo in his cockpit.

Back in WWII, for example, many fighter crewmen including pilots wanted to be caught once they were forced to leave their planes. The German army was still supporting all the conventions of war. The German civilians wanted to hang the bastards who just blew up their village.

If you want a good argument (from a conservative) on why McCain is no "Hero" I would suggest you read This. "McCain all by himself nearly sank a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier ... This stunt and aftermath caused the deathof 134 sailors." The only reason he wasn't thrown out of the military right then and there was that his father was a four star admiral who didn't want his own reputation tarnished because of his disgraceful son.

That particular story has been debunked many times in many places.

McCain was in the plane next to one of the ones that got hit. It was not his plane that fired the errant missile, nor was he in any way at fault.
Brief:
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/

At the time of this incident Lt. Cdr. McCain already had flown several bombing missions over North Vietnam from the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal. As he was in his A-4 Skyhawk, loaded with two, 1,000-pound bombs and waiting on the carrier deck for his turn to launch, a Zuni missile accidentally fired from another aircraft, swooshed across the carrier deck and struck either McCain's plane or one next to it.

That triggered a fire and a series of bomb and missile explosions that killed 134 sailors. McCain himself barely escaped alive. He quickly leaped from his plane into the pool of burning jet fuel that immediately surrounded him. About 90 seconds later he was blown 15 feet back when the first bomb “cooked off” and exploded, killing several nearby firefighters.

[tzor]

That particular story has been debunked many times in many places.

No, people just prefer to believe in the cover up. He's not the first son of an important military officer to f*ck up in the military and had the results covered up so as to not tar the important officer of our glorious armed forces and he won't be the last.

[Dukasaur]

That particular story has been debunked many times in many places.

No, people just prefer to believe in the cover up. He's not the first son of an important military officer to f*ck up in the military and had the results covered up so as to not tar the important officer of our glorious armed forces and he won't be the last.

Occam's Razor doesn't slice here. In 1967 he wasn't a presidential candidate. There was no reason for anyone to go around compelling 20-something witnesses and forging reams of documents to take him out of a plane that he was never in. Having a famous father may have gotten him a lenient sentence, but it wouldn't have motivated all those people to create a massive coverup.

[mrswdk]

Just the fact that they were military employees and his dad was their boss.

Sounds like the #FNM propaganda has done its job on Duk.

[Dukasaur]

Just the fact that they were military employees and his dad was their boss.

Sounds like the #FNM propaganda has done its job on Duk.

1. At the time of the Forrestal incident McCain Sr. was commanding U.S. Naval Force Europe, stationed in London. He didn't get sent to take over in Vietnam until more than a year later, so he definitely was not "the boss" of those men.
2. Even if he had been "their boss" we're talking about the U.S. here, not China. In the U.S., people are expected to tell the truth to a Naval Board of Inquiry. It's not like in China where telling the truth about your superiors is an automatic death sentence.

Sounds like Swickdick has gotten a good mouthful of the Kool-Aid this morning.

[mrswdk]

Just the fact that they were military employees and his dad was their boss.

Sounds like the #FNM propaganda has done its job on Duk.

1. At the time of the Forrestal incident McCain Sr. was commanding U.S. Naval Force Europe, stationed in London. He didn't get sent to take over in Vietnam until more than a year later, so he definitely was not "the boss" of those men.

Yeah, just like there is no way the Secretary of State could exert any influence within the Department of Defense, because those are different departments.

2. Even if he had been "their boss" we're talking about the U.S. here, not China. In the U.S., people are expected to tell the truth to a Naval Board of Inquiry.

lol yeah sorry, I forgot we were talking about the USA where people are physically incapable of dishonesty and corruption.

[Dukasaur]

2. Even if he had been "their boss" we're talking about the U.S. here, not China. In the U.S., people are expected to tell the truth to a Naval Board of Inquiry.

lol yeah sorry, I forgot we were talking about the USA where people are physically incapable of dishonesty and corruption.

Nobody said anything about being incapable of dishonesty and corruption.

But you're not talking about a handful of people in a casual lie. You're talking about 20 or more witnesses lying under oath, and then carrying that lie to the grave with them, never breaking ranks, for something that really doesn't concern them much. Then you're talking about forging an enormous number of documents to put him in a plane he was not in, because pilots don't just pick random planes off the runway. They are assigned to planes, and there are written orders for that, but that's just the tip of the iceberg, because there are after-action reports and inspections and briefings and debriefings and just routine gripe sheets from the pilot to the mechanic, and all these things are evidence from which you could figure out who was in what plane.

[mrswdk]

2. Even if he had been "their boss" we're talking about the U.S. here, not China. In the U.S., people are expected to tell the truth to a Naval Board of Inquiry.

lol yeah sorry, I forgot we were talking about the USA where people are physically incapable of dishonesty and corruption.

Nobody said anything about being incapable of dishonesty and corruption.

But you're not talking about a handful of people in a casual lie. You're talking about 20 or more witnesses lying under oath, and then carrying that lie to the grave

People don't usually go on the record and admit to perjury. Apart from honest Americans.

[tzor]

Occam's Razor doesn't slice here. In 1967 he wasn't a presidential candidate.

Who ever said he was going to be one?

Acutally, it is probably standard operating procedure in the military, according to this book

During the past twenty years, more than 15,000 members of the U.S. armed forces have died in on-duty mishaps—compared with fewer than 1,000 killed by enemy action. But when such accidents occur, the military imposes a rigid code of silence. Commanders task subordinates, who are often unfamiliar with accident investigation procedures, to investigate these tragedies behind closed doors. This dysfunctional process almost guarantees that the mishap victims themselves are found to be at fault. Overlooked, and therefore uncorrected, problems soon lead to additional tragedies.

All you have to do is swap pilots, or the actual planes that fired the ordinance.

[karel]

he is a democrap,he should switch parties,f-en traitor losser,war hero my ass,tell me 1 thing he did to become a hero besides being caught,last i remember heroes dont get caught,they save people,i think the old f*ck should leave office in shame and never return

[Symmetry]

he is a democrap,he should switch parties,f-en traitor losser,war hero my ass,tell me 1 thing he did to become a hero besides being caught,last i remember heroes dont get caught,they save people,i think the old f*ck should leave office in shame and never return

How far back do you remember?