Mass Effect 1 - Thorian (Cult) Wins!

[DoomYoshi]

What are you talking about? I suggested we basically have a second team just as deadly as the mafia team - with killing actions - rather than just a cult. How is that suggesting they're not so bad? Are you deliberately being obtuse?

I'm also wary of anyone who doesn't think this is a cult game. We've gone through this every day already, and the scenes even hint at it. Are people just not reading the scenes?

I don't read scenes.

A second mafia is way easier to deal with then a cult, especially since with 2 mafias, one expects crossfire. After day 4, do the math on how many scum you expect to find. A cult can ruin everything. People you trusted turn on you etc.

[Skittles!]

Ragian why are you so hesitant to vote out a lurker? We are down two scum, giving town a huge advantage to either weed out other scum or start getting cult. If cult only started with one recruiter, there would be max 3 members now (recruit N1 and N2) unless the leader was blocked.

I don't know the story of ME but going off my win Con and also scenes, it seems unlikely there are two different mafia and a cult. This isn't a Fircoal game after all.

vote Fircoal.

[Skoffin]

What are you talking about? I suggested we basically have a second team just as deadly as the mafia team - with killing actions - rather than just a cult. How is that suggesting they're not so bad? Are you deliberately being obtuse?

I'm also wary of anyone who doesn't think this is a cult game. We've gone through this every day already, and the scenes even hint at it. Are people just not reading the scenes?

I don't read scenes.

A second mafia is way easier to deal with then a cult, especially since with 2 mafias, one expects crossfire. After day 4, do the math on how many scum you expect to find. A cult can ruin everything. People you trusted turn on you etc.

....Shutup, Doom.

[dakky21]

Ragian why are you so hesitant to vote out a lurker? We are down two scum....

Hmmmmm how do you know we're down to TWO scum? Could be one or three? OR two...? I don't like definite reasoning... FOS Skittles.

[Skittles!]

I said we are DOWN two scum, not down TOO two scum. L2r

[Ragian]

Calm down, dakky. He's saying that two scum are dead.

I'm hesitant, skittles, because a lurker would have posted to appear active. Chu is flat out gone. Moreover, DDS has been out and thus unable to prod or replace which I'd prefer to lynching in the blind.

FP'ed by skittles.

[benga]

vote fircoal

if he can post in other games he can also here

[Ragian]

Is he posting in other games, then? I only noticed how he wasn't posting in No Theme (I did skim, though, as I was dead).

[DirtyDishSoap]

Prodding Fircoal again.
This is the last time I'm prodding someone. If you can't communicate with me about future activity, I will outright replace you from now on. Especially if you're posting in another game, bit rude.

[HotShot53]

I'm back from vacation now, and after a quick read-through I can see the points on both the samlen and the fircoal cases. I'll wait until we see if the prod does anything to help fircoal to start posting before placing my vote.

I was roleblocked last night, which wasn't so surprising. It's likely I'll continue to be roleblocked until scum find a cop or doc or something to rolebock instead.

[dakky21]

I said we are DOWN two scum, not down TOO two scum. L2r

Meh, my bad. Playing mafia at 6AM after a lot of booze (all night drinking) isn't the smartest thing to do.

[dakky21]

Sure, let's jail me again and (a) watch someone else die (since if I was mafia, you would also presume someone else would just lead the kill like Samlen said) or (b) jail me again and watch mafia no kill and I get framed and you make a huge mistake.

Or, y'know, people could stop being stupid and we could actually hunt for the mafia. Those were afk most of D1 are seemingly still afk.

Someone else is likely to die anyway. As far as numbers go, we're ahead, but whether that's due to the block or save on you I'm unsure. Your rebuttals have been aggressive, but i don't have a meta for you. My own rebuttals have been aggressive in the past.

Actually, while re-reading and searching for Tail's posts who is inactive pretty much either, or posting short meaningless posts, I've found this pretty little gem. He is answering Caff with "we" on page 10. That doesn't have to necessarily mean he is sided with Caff, but it's a possibility. His posts are really short and he didn't say anything much so far. Maybe a better target than Chu. Pretending to be active while saying nothing and wondering what happened to Thor raises suspicion.

I am on the verge. Fircoal aka Chu looks like he is really inactive and it looks like it actually isn't a strategy, but just being absent (I am aware I'm saying the opposite of before, but DDS said he prodded him this morning and still nothing). Tailgunner on the other hand has a serious slip there which no one noticed and has posted as little as possible to pretend active while staying low.

What you people think?

[DoomYoshi]

Tails is a pretty tenuous case.

IIRC, caff said he agreed with your case on thorthoth. He also said he agreed with my case on skittlez.

[dakky21]

Tails is a pretty tenuous case.

IIRC, caff said he agreed with your case on thorthoth. He also said he agreed with my case on skittlez.

I agree it could be a weak case against Tails but do you have a better one?

[Skoffin]

Well we already know I'm pro-lynching chu. I don't know what is behind chu's inactivity; it could be because he really hates being a scum role, it could be shit going on in his daily life etc. However I find it very telling that Caff did not vote Chu D1 when the deadline was approaching, it was a very good chance for scum to get a townie lynched if chu was one. And then Caff went very hard D2 trying to turn votes to chu after caff started getting many votes thrown his way.

Vote fircoal

My probs town list:
dakky
hotshot
Benga
doom
skittles

Possible scum list:
fircoal
masket
ragian
sam
tail

[TA1LGUNN3R]

My two biggest possibles at this point in time are LoVo and especially Skittles. Both defended both Thor and Caff, trying to deflect attention to inactives until HotShot's counterclaim.

I am also a bit wary of Strike for his treatment of Caff just before the latter was lynched. Even tho Strike voted for Caff, by that point it was a sinking ship that it would've been dumb if scum didn't vote for him. FOS Strike.

This has to be the most absurd statement of the game. You defended Caff three times until the counterclaim, and here accuse Strike for doing the very same.

show: Skittles posts of interest

show: LoVo posts of interest

Of the two, I have less confidence in LoVo, a few of his posts seem genuinely on the fence about Caff. I had a slightly scummy feeling from Fircoal, but nothing worth too much. Mainly, he also defended Caff while attacking Ragian as having a weak reason for the Caff case (here). Really, the caff case should have been open and shut after the half-assed claim, it was bad enough with benga's jailing. Tracker is like one of the classic scum claims.

-Tails

[lord voldemort]

I would happily vote for fircoal but i want to see a count. and puting another vote achieves very little, the pressure is already there. I have been on the lynch the scummarines the whole time.

And yes I would of defended caf after his claim. He sounded genuinely frustrated at his inability to get his point across. The whole aggressive back and forthness about it is what I disliked. And the poor logic at the time of I jailed him no scum kill therefore scum. Yeah it panned out that way but I would say thats more luck than actual odds and statistics like the others were trying to push. You will also notice I very much voted for him after the counter claim.

And I will always defend 'new' players who are being bullied for asking newbie questions. I still stand by those comments that he was being bullied.

And to be honest I wouldnt expect 2 people from the same scum team to be playing so out in the open. Which leads me to believe the other scum must be lurking.

@dakky...I take that we as in town.

I still think Fircoal is best target. I can sort of get behind skoffins logic of the hail mary of fircoal is scum and lurking get him and using that on d3 to draw away from himself....maybe

[Ragian]

I like tails's post. Why didn't he vote, though?

[Minister Masket]

Well we already know I'm pro-lynching chu. I don't know what is behind chu's inactivity; it could be because he really hates being a scum role, it could be shit going on in his daily life etc. However I find it very telling that Caff did not vote Chu D1 when the deadline was approaching, it was a very good chance for scum to get a townie lynched if chu was one. And then Caff went very hard D2 trying to turn votes to chu after caff started getting many votes thrown his way.

Vote fircoal

My probs town list:
dakky
hotshot
Benga
doom
skittles

Possible scum list:
fircoal
masket
ragian
sam
tail

I'm very interested to know why you still think I'm scum after today's events.

[DirtyDishSoap]

(2) Sam - DY, MM
(3) Fircoal - Dakky, Skittles, Benga

With 13 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Update - Fircoal has responded, and will (hopefully) post later. If his activity is still non-existent by the 4th, I will replace him.

[Skoffin]

I'm very interested to know why you still think I'm scum after today's events.

Your overall behaviour is very suspect. There was no valid reason for you to out yourself as Thor's killer when you did; the only purpose of doing it at that time was to maximise your town credibility, and we already know there are at minimum a mafia team and third parties in the game. The only thing the killing of Thor confirms is that you were not on the same team as him. Whether you are town or one of the third parties is yet to be determined.

Stupid DDS and colour rules

Vote fircoal

[DoomYoshi]

Tails is a pretty tenuous case.

IIRC, caff said he agreed with your case on thorthoth. He also said he agreed with my case on skittlez.

I agree it could be a weak case against Tails but do you have a better one?

Skittlez. It's all circumstantial evidence but there's just so much of it. Other people have pointed him out for being scummy. He actively defended both scum as Tails said. Caffeine treated him the same way as he treated Thorthoth. He tried to get town to waste a doctor action on caffeine. There is my case from earlier (guilty conscience). I just can't see him as being town.

[dakky21]

While I agree Skittles looks like a possible suspect, though I failed with the last case (feel free to accuse me, I was drunk), me thinks Tails or Fircoal are a better cases at the moment. If I leave Chu out of this because he is really "inactive", that leaves only Tails for now. I'm still on Chu though.

[Skittles!]

Tails is a pretty tenuous case.

IIRC, caff said he agreed with your case on thorthoth. He also said he agreed with my case on skittlez.

I agree it could be a weak case against Tails but do you have a better one?

Skittlez. It's all circumstantial evidence but there's just so much of it. Other people have pointed him out for being scummy. He actively defended both scum as Tails said. Caffeine treated him the same way as he treated Thorthoth. He tried to get town to waste a doctor action on caffeine. There is my case from earlier (guilty conscience). I just can't see him as being town.

Lmao keep trying. You're going to look like a fool if I ever need to roleclaim. But, to half-ass defend myself, here we go.

1) Tails is obviously just trying to name someone when he has disappeared and had limited posts in the 3 mafia days. Until he can actually follow through with his thoughts and not openly ignore questions about him lurking, then i'd believe him. Right now, I think he's just scummarining but as much as Fircoal.

2) the case on Caff was incredibly flimsy until the counterclaim. There were just too many variables in the benga vs Caff Day. Even benga ended up unvoting because of these variables. As I've pointed out numerous times throughout the game, jailor roleblocks and saves someone. For all we know, Caff could have been saved by benga. Obviously this wasn't the case but at the time, I didn't think jailing was enough to vote someone. + benga has been known to talk out of his ass in games (see no theme mafia and lion king).

3) The idea that 'tracker' is a good scum claim seems incredibly silly to me. If they get one night wrong, someone can just go 'nope f*ck ya' and it's all over red rover. This is relating to a point made by Tails. I just don't see how claiming Tracker would ever help scum. Tails also didn't put his vote with his post, and he even professed to having less confidence about Lovo. So why aren't you going for LOVO?

4) I wasn't the only person to advocate for doctor using their action (for only one night mind you) on Caff. We could've found out a lot of info. I don't see how it's a bad idea. While you may have been right about Caff, and believed benga fully, I couldn't commit to that until the counterclaim. And going by the votes, a lot of people agree with that.

5) Thor was a self professed newb. As I've already stated, Dakky was 100% right about him and I also agreed with Skoffin that Thor's posting style was off. What more do you want me to say? Numerous others also believed him and it was only MM's hit that offed him.

Moving on, we can say safely that scum have a roleblocker because hotshot was blocked last night (as he said earlier in the day). There could also possibly be a janitor with Pika's ??? Role. Either we try and take out another scum, or start hitting cult before they get more members.

With Fircoal hopefully being replaced, I'm assuming we can either go for Tails (who is doing the same as Fircoal) or other lurkers. There's two less scum, one less townie, and one ???, and possibly 3 cults if they started recruiting one day 1 with no roleblocks. So let's hit them up imo.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Tails is a pretty tenuous case.

IIRC, caff said he agreed with your case on thorthoth. He also said he agreed with my case on skittlez.

I agree it could be a weak case against Tails but do you have a better one?

Skittlez. It's all circumstantial evidence but there's just so much of it. Other people have pointed him out for being scummy. He actively defended both scum as Tails said. Caffeine treated him the same way as he treated Thorthoth. He tried to get town to waste a doctor action on caffeine. There is my case from earlier (guilty conscience). I just can't see him as being town.

Lmao keep trying. You're going to look like a fool if I ever need to roleclaim. But, to half-ass defend myself, here we go.

1) Tails is obviously just trying to name someone when he has disappeared and had limited posts in the 3 mafia days. Until he can actually follow through with his thoughts and not openly ignore questions about him lurking, then i'd believe him. Right now, I think he's just scummarining but as much as Fircoal.

2) the case on Caff was incredibly flimsy until the counterclaim. There were just too many variables in the benga vs Caff Day. Even benga ended up unvoting because of these variables. As I've pointed out numerous times throughout the game, jailor roleblocks and saves someone. For all we know, Caff could have been saved by benga. Obviously this wasn't the case but at the time, I didn't think jailing was enough to vote someone. + benga has been known to talk out of his ass in games (see no theme mafia and lion king).

3) The idea that 'tracker' is a good scum claim seems incredibly silly to me. If they get one night wrong, someone can just go 'nope f*ck ya' and it's all over red rover. This is relating to a point made by Tails. I just don't see how claiming Tracker would ever help scum. Tails also didn't put his vote with his post, and he even professed to having less confidence about Lovo. So why aren't you going for LOVO?

4) I wasn't the only person to advocate for doctor using their action (for only one night mind you) on Caff. We could've found out a lot of info. I don't see how it's a bad idea. While you may have been right about Caff, and believed benga fully, I couldn't commit to that until the counterclaim. And going by the votes, a lot of people agree with that.

5) Thor was a self professed newb. As I've already stated, Dakky was 100% right about him and I also agreed with Skoffin that Thor's posting style was off. What more do you want me to say? Numerous others also believed him and it was only MM's hit that offed him.

Moving on, we can say safely that scum have a roleblocker because hotshot was blocked last night (as he said earlier in the day). There could also possibly be a janitor with Pika's ??? Role. Either we try and take out another scum, or start hitting cult before they get more members.

With Fircoal hopefully being replaced, I'm assuming we can either go for Tails (who is doing the same as Fircoal) or other lurkers. There's two less scum, one less townie, and one ???, and possibly 3 cults if they started recruiting one day 1 with no roleblocks. So let's hit them up imo.

1) Inactive != lurking. Nice try, though.

Oh and can we please get a quick prod/replace for Ta1ls?

I'm here, i fell behind yesterday but am mostly caught up. Still got a couple pages

2) It wasn't flimsy, you're painting a picture that doesn't exist. The simplest logic is often the correct one, and the likelihood that Caff, as hypothetical town, being jailed and targeted for maf kill is not as great as what actually happened. I would've been willing to consider opposing actions on Caff until a) his posts where he was reading his attackers as town, trying to give himself pro-town cred, and b) his shitty claim. If I had been active I would've voted him straightaway after the "I lost my role pm" nonsense.

3) Imo trackers aren't all that popular. It's a safer claim than cop, one can claim they were blocked or didn't get results, and it's a good enough power role to make voters hesitant (as happened). Not only that, if a real tracker comes forward, his identity is now revealed to scum. It's a decent last-ditch effort, and I give Caff credit for doing that. When I said I had less confidence in LoVo, I meant I read him as less scum than you.

I like tails's post. Why didn't he vote, though?

I've always been conservative with my votes, I don't throw them around willy-nilly.

-Tails