First Nobel Peace Laureate to die imprisoned by his state?

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Liu Xiaobo dead: Jailed Chinese opposition activist and Nobel Peace Prize winner dies aged 61.

His crimes-
- peacefully protesting in Tiananmen Square
- asking that the Chinese dictatorship talk to the Dalai Llama
- writing a manifesto promoting democracy and human rights

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Liu Xiaobo dead: Jailed Chinese opposition activist and Nobel Peace Prize winner dies aged 61.

His crimes-
- peacefully protesting in Tiananmen Square
- asking that the Chinese dictatorship talk to the Dalai Llama
- writing a manifesto promoting democracy and human rights

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Who got all his prize money?

[saxitoxin]

His crimes-
- peacefully protesting in Tiananmen Square
- asking that the Chinese dictatorship talk to the Dalai Llama
- writing a manifesto promoting democracy and human rights

That's all it takes to get the Nobel Prize? Number one and number two would have required a total work commitment of about 16 hours.

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Liu Xiaobo dead: Jailed Chinese opposition activist and Nobel Peace Prize winner dies aged 61.

His crimes-
- peacefully protesting in Tiananmen Square
- asking that the Chinese dictatorship talk to the Dalai Llama
- writing a manifesto promoting democracy and human rights

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Who got all his prize money?

The $15,000? No idea, why do you ask?

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Liu Xiaobo dead: Jailed Chinese opposition activist and Nobel Peace Prize winner dies aged 61.

His crimes-
- peacefully protesting in Tiananmen Square
- asking that the Chinese dictatorship talk to the Dalai Llama
- writing a manifesto promoting democracy and human rights

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Who got all his prize money?

The $15,000? No idea, why do you ask?

That's all they get? I guess peace-crime doesn't pay.

[Symmetry]

Liu Xiaobo dead: Jailed Chinese opposition activist and Nobel Peace Prize winner dies aged 61.

His crimes-
- peacefully protesting in Tiananmen Square
- asking that the Chinese dictatorship talk to the Dalai Llama
- writing a manifesto promoting democracy and human rights

show

Who got all his prize money?

The $15,000? No idea, why do you ask?

That's all they get? I guess peace-crime doesn't pay.

You thought he was in it for profit?

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Liu Xiaobo dead: Jailed Chinese opposition activist and Nobel Peace Prize winner dies aged 61.

His crimes-
- peacefully protesting in Tiananmen Square
- asking that the Chinese dictatorship talk to the Dalai Llama
- writing a manifesto promoting democracy and human rights

show

Who got all his prize money?

The $15,000? No idea, why do you ask?

That's all they get? I guess peace-crime doesn't pay.

You thought he was in it for profit?

Isn't that why anyone is against Communism?

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Liu Xiaobo dead: Jailed Chinese opposition activist and Nobel Peace Prize winner dies aged 61.

His crimes-
- peacefully protesting in Tiananmen Square
- asking that the Chinese dictatorship talk to the Dalai Llama
- writing a manifesto promoting democracy and human rights

show

Who got all his prize money?

The $15,000? No idea, why do you ask?

That's all they get? I guess peace-crime doesn't pay.

You thought he was in it for profit?

Isn't that why anyone is against Communism?

He was genuinely for peace. I think you should look at some of the work he did. One of the things that stands out for me is that he had the chance to escape and seek asylum, but stayed in China with his people.

[mrswdk]

Universal suffrage =/= peace

[mrswdk]

Also, if saying you want a different system of government makes you so awesome that you're deemed worthy of international acclaim then I guess the next prize will be going to Nick Clegg for his attempts to introduce proportional representation in the UK.

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I think that he stood for non-violent reform in a one party state that kills people who think differently. As I said, he had a chance to escape and get asylum. He chose to stay. The Chinese state imprisoned him for it.

He was a hero, but I doubt that the Chinese gov't will let people know about him.

[mrswdk]

I think that he stood for non-violent reform in a one party state that kills detains people who think differently conduct public campaigns to undermine the government.

Many of those within the Chinese government see the collapse of the Soviet Union and following decades of stagnation in Russia as a warning of what happens to countries that attempt to open up their political system too quickly. When people loudly and publicly try to generate political pressure on the Chinese government to undertake similar rapid reforms within China, the government see that as a threat to the country's stability and prosperity. The protest itself is non-violent but the aim of the protester is to overturn the whole system of government, so they (sometimes) get arrested and charged. Just the same as people in the UK can (and have) been arrested for praising terrorist organizations, sending abuse on Twitter, and engaging in various other non-violent acts that threaten to undermine the stability of society.

It's also worth noting that there aren't actually that many people in China who are interested in trying to achieve these sorts of political reforms. Having a government that delivers a strong economy, good living conditions and that appears responsive to people's concerns (e.g. over air pollution or official corruption) is more important to most people than abstract political concepts. The Chinese government gets higher approval ratings than the British, American, French etc. governments, so what's so great about those that makes them worth copying?

[mrswdk]

Also, special shout out to India as a great example of what might have happened to China if it had adopted a Western-style parliamentary system back in the 80s.

At the end of the 1980s India and China were both similarly-sized countries with equivalent economies and levels of power on the world stage. Fast forward 30 years and China has grown rapidly into a global superpower while India remains a stagnant piece of shit:

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Also, special shout out to India as a great example of what might have happened to China if it had adopted a Western-style parliamentary system back in the 80s.

At the end of the 1980s India and China were both similarly-sized countries with equivalent economies and levels of power on the world stage. Fast forward 30 years and China has grown rapidly into a global superpower while India remains a stagnant piece of shit:

China also got it's population growth under control.

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I think that he stood for non-violent reform in a one party state that kills detains people who think differently conduct public campaigns to undermine the government.

Many of those within the Chinese government see the collapse of the Soviet Union and following decades of stagnation in Russia as a warning of what happens to countries that attempt to open up their political system too quickly. When people loudly and publicly try to generate political pressure on the Chinese government to undertake similar rapid reforms within China, the government see that as a threat to the country's stability and prosperity. The protest itself is non-violent but the aim of the protester is to overturn the whole system of government, so they (sometimes) get arrested and charged. Just the same as people in the UK can (and have) been arrested for praising terrorist organizations, sending abuse on Twitter, and engaging in various other non-violent acts that threaten to undermine the stability of society.

It's also worth noting that there aren't actually that many people in China who are interested in trying to achieve these sorts of political reforms. Having a government that delivers a strong economy, good living conditions and that appears responsive to people's concerns (e.g. over air pollution or official corruption) is more important to most people than abstract political concepts. The Chinese government gets higher approval ratings than the British, American, French etc. governments, so what's so great about those that makes them worth copying?

I found most of your reply kinda interesting, but you fall down on the last point- what happens if you disapprove of your gov't? If publicly disapproving means you die in prison, how can you fairly compare that to a democracy?

Approve or die in prison, isn't as great as you make it out to be.