[OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia - Town Scarred as Mafia Wins!

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy, what is your plan for if you get Skoffin lynched? Who is the next most suss to you?

If I turn out correct about the Cult, I like Pika for a Cultie.

If she doesn't turn Cult, then I would have to reasses everything, but I have little fear of that happening.

[madmitch]

Was rereading and I noticed that a lot of people were thinking Skoffin was scum and some of them are gone so she survived, I believe her time is up.

[Skoffin]

Mandy, what is your plan for if you get Skoffin lynched? Who is the next most suss to you?

If I turn out correct about the Cult, I like Pika for a Cultie.

If she doesn't turn Cult, then I would have to reasses everything, but I have little fear of that happening.

Are you too far gone in tunneling on me, or are you at least willing to humour us and give your ideas today on who you think may be scum if SURPRISE! I'm not cult?

Was rereading and I noticed that a lot of people were thinking Skoffin was scum and some of them are gone so she survived, I believe her time is up.

By 'lots of people' you mean mandy and flores, where only one is dead and one is very much alive? The same amount of people that thought you were scum happen to also be dead, so that is sufficient evidence against you right? you have also lynched two townies now.

[Skittles!]

I'm going to have to agree with MM and Skoffin about Mitch, even tho I was suspicious of MM at the end of the last game day. I am also suss of Skoffin and Mandy.

vote Mitch. I know several times in the game he has tried to pounce of people either trying to start a bandwagon or jump onto one. He has tried to cast suspicion on others and then just unvote his next post, sighting that he changed his mind. I think he's been testing the waters a bit and strategically place his votes without being noticed too much.

[Skittles!]

I'm going to have to agree with MM and Skoffin about Mitch, even tho I was suspicious of MM at the end of the last game day. I am also suss of Skoffin and Mandy.

Vote Mitch. I know several times in the game he has tried to pounce of people either trying to start a bandwagon or jump onto one. He has tried to cast suspicion on others and then just unvote his next post, sighting that he changed his mind. I think he's been testing the waters a bit and strategically place his votes without being noticed too much.

EBWOP - vote was wrong colour

[madmitch]

nice try skittles ,you have been doing the same thing, go ahead vote me off and tur over the game to the scums. you all know I am a water buffalo just part of the herd ,so you either believe or not,not much more I can say

[Skittles!]

I haven't been doing the same thing because I have just not been posting. I haven't really voted that much and I usually don't - I like keeping my options open until I can convinced enough to vote a certain way. It's unfortunate about DJ, but he still was only a VT. I'm more worried that our watcher got caught out without really telling us much.

I would have taken her suspicions of Skoffin more seriously if they didn't start during day 1 because Skoffin seemed to be lurking. I was lurking too, and I spent the last couple of game days lurking a lot because I didn't know my thoughts and no argument really caught my eye to pitch in to. Now it's getting to the precarious part of the game so I have to step up, start pursueing scum and offering my thoughts more regularly.

You say you're a water buffolo and just part of the herd. DJ was a no name animal too but didn't say he was. He turned out to be town, so who can we actually believe? The argument you are using is classic scum - "I'm just a VT, but you will regret lynching me cause then scum wins!" Why would I regret voting off a none power role? You aren't giving information that I can use to form ideas on who is scum. You are a number. And an unreliable one at that. Why do you believe Mandy so much? What do you think of people's arguments against Mandy?

I want to hear Maskets and Hotshots thoughts since DJ's lynching. I want to hear who Mandy thinks is actually scum and not just who he thinks is cult. I am worried by who is actually killing town power roles off, because there may be a point where we don't have anymore power roles to gain good solid info from.

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy, what is your plan for if you get Skoffin lynched? Who is the next most suss to you?

If I turn out correct about the Cult, I like Pika for a Cultie.

If she doesn't turn Cult, then I would have to reasses everything, but I have little fear of that happening.

Are you too far gone in tunneling on me, or are you at least willing to humour us and give your ideas today on who you think may be scum if SURPRISE! I'm not cult?

You heard Pika: if you were able to recruit from Night 1 we are at 4/4/1, which means that, unless I manage to persuade ALL the Townies + Shenzi (who is an idiot, as previously established), to vote for you, then the Cult wins.

Today is LYLO and no, I won't help you to split the votes.

[DirtyDishSoap]

We're going to have to come to an agreement with either Mandy or Mitch at this point.

Mandy has been dead set on this cult theory despite the evidence suggesting otherwise. Coupled with the OMGUS vote on Pika, I'm getting more and more suspicious that Mandy has just been leading people astray from the get-go.

Going back even further to the beginning, when we had pretty much all the VT's revealed with me, Sam, DJ and Mitch, (and Kwan/Scum), we had a Mandy crusade against the VT claims/No lynchers. What strikes me as odd was that out of the reveals during this time, Mitch had skirted by (f*ck the stupid mitch is mitch bullshit) without any sort of scrutiny from Mandy for being a VT. Further into it, both Mitch and Mandy have been wishy washy voting throughout days 1 until it landed on Kwan.

Normally, I think the mechanic behind that would be to earn town credit, but I believe scum knew that his goal was to die, therefor, I believe Mandy and Mitch threw him under to earn Kwan's victory condition and to get the town cred they needed in order to steer into outlandish theory claims.

Out of the two, Mandy poses a far more serious threat.

Vote Mandy.

Also, I would like to see more of Hotshot at some point. If I'm wrong about Mandy and Mitch, then I believe Hotshot is our next best case due to the constant lurking about.

[mandalorian2298]

We're going to have to come to an agreement with either Mandy or Mitch at this point.

Mandy has been dead set on this cult theory despite the evidence suggesting otherwise. Coupled with the OMGUS vote on Pika, I'm getting more and more suspicious that Mandy has just been leading people astray from the get-go.

Going back even further to the beginning, when we had pretty much all the VT's revealed with me, Sam, DJ and Mitch, (and Kwan/Scum), we had a Mandy crusade against the VT claims/No lynchers. What strikes me as odd was that out of the reveals during this time, Mitch had skirted by (f*ck the stupid mitch is mitch bullshit) without any sort of scrutiny from Mandy for being a VT. Further into it, both Mitch and Mandy have been wishy washy voting throughout days 1 until it landed on Kwan.

Normally, I think the mechanic behind that would be to earn town credit, but I believe scum knew that his goal was to die, therefor, I believe Mandy and Mitch threw him under to earn Kwan's victory condition and to get the town cred they needed in order to steer into outlandish theory claims.

Out of the two, Mandy poses a far more serious threat.

Vote Mandy.

Also, I would like to see more of Hotshot at some point. If I'm wrong about Mandy and Mitch, then I believe Hotshot is our next best case due to the constant lurking about.

1) I never voted Pika, I FOSed him.

2) Since, as I previously stated, we are at LYLO and all the Cult needs to speedlynch me for the win is to convince one Townie or Shenzi to vote me, I'll claim right now:

I AM SIMBA!

Your ruler, king and saviour.

So no, Pika, Skoffin being Simba isn't a viable explanation for her PR. Skoffin being Scar is.

In summation: Unvote me, vote Skoffin.

Or, by all means, continue wasting time just so that you don't have to admit that Cult got an extra recruitment Night because of your insistence on ignoring the the obvious.

[madmitch]

lOOK !!! I thought Mandy was scum at one time and if I remember right I thought he and Skoffin were scum buddies or cult ? don't recall, don't feel like rereading, but Mandy's play seems all town so I believe him , I say trust him and get rid of Skoffin, or vote me or him out ,one way or the other someone wins and I hope it is town.

[Pikanchion]

So does your role PM actually mention a cult?

[Skoffin]

I don't really think either mandy or mitch are scum. Mandy is being arrogant and stubborn with his tunnelvision, and mitch.. well let's not do the mitch is mitch thing. He did his usual town-tell, though there is the small chance that he has learnt to throw a fake town-tell since the last game he was caught out as scum. But I'm not sure I want to give him that much credit.

I'm more wary of Masket and Hotshot. I gave hotshot credit early on, but he has resumed his usual scum play of lurking and coasting through. Masket is a harder read, it's partly process of elimination (as I have town vibes from some other players) and that he appears to be largely agreeable with others and going for the easy mitch thing.

[mandalorian2298]

So does your role PM actually mention a cult?

I'm disinclined to answer any traitor who's vote remains on my royal majesty, while he is stalling in order to give his Cult buddies a chance to speedlynch me.

Guards, size the mouse!

[DirtyDishSoap]

Unvote

Well, if you're going to reveal at this stage, it doesn't make sense for the rest to be silent about it since we're at the late game at this point.
What is your ability? You already revealed so whatever information you have in the past 3 game nights would prove helpful.

mandy - Simba claim. Until a counter, no point in disputing and pursuing.

Mitch - VT? It's Mitch but....As much as I want to pursue this, and still think he's possibly scum, he isn't the mastermind.

DEAD:
1) Ragian - Banzai (Mafia Tracker) - killed day one!
2) Kwanton - Ed (Mafia Idiot) lynched day one!
3)Dakky - Mufasa (King) died night one!
4) Samlen - Giraffe (Townie) lynched day two!
5) Benga - Zazou (Tracker) killed night two!
6) Djfireside - Zebra (Townie) lynched day three!
7) Flores - Rafiki (Watcher) killed night three!

So, myself included, we have 3 confirmed with 6 unconfirmed.
A water buffalo, a ostrich and Simba.

Who I expect to still be alive.
Town
Nala
Timon
Pumbaa
Sarabi

Scum
Scar
Shenzi

I can't see Gopher being present in this as both the Watcher and Tracker roles have been filled. Cop possibly, but I think of the 4 listed currently, or even Simba, would have this role.

[Pikanchion]

So does your role PM actually mention a cult?

I'm disinclined to answer any traitor who's vote remains on my royal majesty, while he is stalling in order to give his Cult buddies a chance to speedlynch me.

Guards, size the mouse!

Fine... Unvote: mandalorian2298

So..?

[mandalorian2298]

So does your role PM actually mention a cult?

I'm disinclined to answer any traitor who's vote remains on my royal majesty, while he is stalling in order to give his Cult buddies a chance to speedlynch me.

Guards, size the mouse!

Fine... Unvote: mandalorian2298

So..?

*checks his PM for something like "BTW, I made Scar the Cult Leader and gave her a PM on Day 1. I wonder if you Townies will catch it in time"*

Nope, nothing like that. Mods these days, always trying to make the Townies use their brains instead of telling them how to play. Am I right?

@DDS I have nothing outright useful to report about my powers and there is no need to give more info to the Scum. (had I not felt forced to, I wouldn't have claimed at all)

[DirtyDishSoap]

Lol?

What info would you possibly give them at this point if it's a LYLO situation?
This is literally your chance to give out as much info as possible and it might even validate Skoff as scum. Or if everyone reveals as suggested, we have a strong chance to end this game on day 5 assuming we lynch correctly.

[madmitch]

have to agree with DDS, if you want us to follow you trust us, and maybe we should take another look at Skoffin?

[mandalorian2298]

Lol?

What info would you possibly give them at this point if it's a LYLO situation?
This is literally your chance to give out as much info as possible and it might even validate Skoff as scum. Or if everyone reveals as suggested, we have a strong chance to end this game on day 5 assuming we lynch correctly.

At this point, I have no useful info to give.

The info that I could give scum would enable them to make a more informed decision about choosing a NK target. Also, I have been roleblocked last night by someone whom I presume had Skoffin's best interests at heart.
Maybe I want them to continue doing so rather then blocking someone more useful. Maybe not. Let them guess.

[HotShot53]

Delayed from yesterday, I will give my analysis of those who are left, and see what results I get.

Mandy: Reading this day so far, I was about to agree with DDS that I was getting suspicious of mandy for his single minded focus, when his case isn't as air tight as he seems to think it is, and I personally doubt there is cult in this game based on how the scenes have been written. But I can't imagine a lion king game without Simba, and giving simba as a fake claim seems a bit too unusual to suspect it. So I will assume Mandy is town.

Fircoal: Hasn't posted yet this day phase... but I guess I can't blame him too much for that since I've been MIA also lol. Before that he was pretty active with a lot of big posts. Was on Kwan's lynch, although for other reasons than the typo. Overall, I'd lean town.

skittles: Because of some reasons, I know he is town.

pikanchion: Doesn't believe mandy's case and has voted him 2 days in a row now. Hasn't done much else of note. Since I kind of agreed with his points (before mandy's claim anyway), I am neutral on him for now.

Mitch: Although not everyone likes how he plays and softclaims, (VT) to me he seems to be playing more like his town self, and I lean town on him.

DDS: I don't like his role fishing... just because mandy claimed simba, there is no reason for him to give away his role also, unless we think that simba is a fake claim. Has claimed VT. Advocated for no lynch day 1, although says he always thinks that's the way to go. Has been very active, and I like what he's said for the most part. After the rolefishing I expected to re-read him and lean scum... but the rest of his posts have been more town so I'm neutral at this point.

Masket: Has been pretty clear in his posts about the VT's that he's not a VT. I don't think a scum would rule themselves out of claiming VT, and his posts have been generally ok, so I'll lean town.

Skoffin: Was very doubtful of the case on kwan for the typo, and said she doesn't suspect him of scum, although 3 of her posts before she had put him in with the suspicious people. Has basically town read most people, seems to be trying to make friends with everyone. Voted Sam just because everyone else was. Flores is the only person I can see she actually made a case on. Although I don't think mandy's case on her of her being cult leader is correct, I am leaning scum on her.

So based on the above analysis, I will vote skoffin. At the least, we need enough pressure for a claim, or else this day isn't going anywhere else.

[Skittles!]

Based on Mandy's roleclaim, and his insistence on skoffin, I am going to unvote, vote Skoffin. I am assuming that he has information that non-power role townies cannot gain and he doesn't want to give away his role details.

In saying this, I think it's almost a safe bet to have people roleclaim so we can try and get the last scum. I'm still not 100% sold on the idea of cult, but in a game like this with a set storyline behind it, there aren't many more names that can be thrown out.

[mandalorian2298]

In saying this, I think it's almost a safe bet to have people roleclaim so we can try and get the last scum. I'm still not 100% sold on the idea of cult, but in a game like this with a set storyline behind it, there aren't many more names that can be thrown out.

On the mass roleclaim idea (which I too advocated at one point): I don't think that it's right move for Day 4. As I said, someone role-blocked me this Night. If it turns out that am wrong about Skoffin, then it was most probably a Townie Roleblocker who suspected me. If, however, I am right, then it's almost certainly a Cult-recruited Roleblocker, who could hinder Town more efficiently if he knows whom to block. I'm especially worried about the Cop' and the Doc' claims being exploited.

Furthermore, if there is a Cult out there, then role claims don't really help us since all culties are going to have a legit claim. Also, if DDS really is a VT (which I think he is, and I will explain why in the next passage) then it IS possible that Nag has been creative when chosing which characters to include, meaning that Serafina could be a real Town role while Sarabi might have been given to the Scum as a convincing fake claim. On one hand, this is counterintuitive, but on the other hand I think that in a game with this limited character pool there has to be some mechanism in place to prevent the Mass Claim.

Why I think that DDS is more probably Townie then Scum:

a) Why I don't think that DDS is Cult?: His participation in the Day 1 argument about No lynch, has connected him (as well as Sam) to Ragian, which ment that he would be under increased scrutiny during Day 2 (and possibly on). Also, from the perspective of the Cult Leader, the priority is to choose people that are most likely Town, since attempting to recruit Mafia kills the Cult Leader in most formats (or at least shouldn't work, since Cult-recruited Mafia are massivly OP-ed) and DDS looked scummy.
In short, along with Sam, DDS has probably been the least attractive target for recruitment (No offense meant DDS)


b) Why I don't think that DDS is Mafia?: I don't think that Dakky was really a Day Vig. I think that 'The Hunt' even during Day 1 worked in a similar fashion as 'The Hunt' in my NJO Mafia: Dakky got to pick either three players, killing all among them who are members of Hyena Mafia; or he got to pick one and was possibly rewarded with extra kills for each pick.
The reason why I think that 'Pick Three' was more likely is because 1) hitting a hyena out of three tries is amazing but hitting it out of one try would have been absolutely incredible; 2) We discussed earlier "Why was Ragian targeted?" It is a lot easier to explain if he was 1 out of the 3 targets (the other two being Sam and DDS, since three of them were togather in defense of No Lynch); 3) If there was a mechanism in place to, if not ensure, then at least make it more likely that Mufasa croakes early in the game, it would make sense that he had been compensated by being a little OPed during his short time in the game, and 3 chances to hit a hyena is IMO more fair compensation the just one.
Anyhow, if this wild specualtion is true (and I am nowhere near certain that it is) then DDS is IMO most likely to have been chosen by Dakky for The Hunt, but survived because he is not a hyena.

[Skoffin]

Okay, you got me. Scar, the real villain of the movie, was not put on the mafia team and the actual mafia team of three hyenas were underpowered by making one of them a jester that wanted to get himself killed and Ga7 showed much restraint by not punching Nag in the face for making a game with such an unbalanced mafia team.
To get Mandy off my back and back to actually looking for the mafia team, sure I'll claim; I'm Nala

Not terribly surprised that Hotshot makes a sudden appearance right after some heat is thrown his way and by chance he happens to throw his vote towards someone who suspects him and who he could easily get away with voting for. Where have you been?

[DirtyDishSoap]

No offense taken. Use to it.

Anywho. To counter the argument as to why we should mass claim, we could at least identify Scar and stop the recruitment IF your theory is correct.

I still doubt its in the game, but I believe that mechanic Nag was referring to was the day kill mechanics to prevent an early mass claim. I dont see any other reason, being day 4 and we're being picked apart, why we shouldn't claim who we are at least without the roles if anyone really wants to be picky.

There's only a handful of choices people can use to claim at this point, and I'm positive that a counter claim can easily be backed up.