Is a hot dog a Sandwich?

[mrswdk]

There is no such thing as a Donair kabob in Canada. In the maritimes you might get beat for asking for one.

Dukasaur's ignorance about your version of a kabob is the same as your ignorance about donairs. Because you nearly can never find what you know as a kebob here.

The meat in a Donair is a rather large spiced loaf, cooked on a vertical spit then sliced from the outside cooked layer, before being placed in a pita, with lettuce, tomato, onions and sweet sauce.

You have just described a doner kebab.

[2dimes]

Exactly.

Who ever brought them over there from Canada probably added "Kebob" to the menu after the eight hundred and seventy sixth time they had to explain, "It's like a kebob from Canada except, the meat is spiced loaf, with lettuce, tomato, onions and sweet sauce."

I'd give you thirty £ if you could eat a Donair loaf off the skewer. That sucker is going to be raw in the center.

[waauw]

Exactly.

Who ever brought them over there from Canada probably added "Kebob" to the menu after the eight hundred and seventy sixth time they had to explain, "It's like a kebob from Canada except, the meat is spiced loaf, with lettuce, tomato, onions and sweet sauce."

I'd give you thirty £ if you could eat a Donair loaf off the skewer. That sucker is going to be raw in the center.

Why have you been writing Donair instead of Döner, and Kebob/kabob instead of kebab?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Arguing the naming details of sliced meat slapped into some flatbread is hilarious. A simple food becomes so complex.

Donair
Gyro
Shwarma

They're all mostly the same. Anyway, a kebab is on a skewer. It ceases to be a kebab if the meat is put on bread. End of story.

-TG

[Dukasaur]

Arguing the naming details of sliced meat slapped into some flatbread is hilarious. A simple food becomes so complex.

Donair
Gyro
Shwarma

They're all mostly the same. Anyway, a kebab is on a skewer. It ceases to be a kebab if the meat is put on bread. End of story.

-TG

Thank you! Amen!

[CBlake]

This is not a sandwich-



But
It can be argued convincingly that this is a sandwich-

interesting analysis

Oh please. If a hotdog's a sandwich, then so are kebabs and hamburgers.

You don't think a hamburger is a sandwich?

[waauw]

You don't think a hamburger is a sandwich?

I consider Hamburgers to be a category of its own.

[Thorthoth]

• Any food enclosed inside bread or a roll is a sandwich (including hamburger sandwiches, hotdog sandwiches, kebab sandwiches, etc).
• Any food enclosed inside flatbread or a a pancake is a wrap (including burrito/taco wraps, kebab wraps, mu-shu wraps, etc).

This simple and non-arbitrary framework can function across all nations and cultures. When now have a universally applicable definition.

I'm glad I was able to sort this out and explain it in a way that even the the simplest of you can understand.

[2dimes]

Why have you been writing Donair instead of Döner, and Kebob/kabob instead of kebab?

Because I know how to spell Donair, but not kabob.

[Dukasaur]

• Any food enclosed inside bread or a roll is a sandwich (including hamburger sandwiches, hotdog sandwiches, kebab sandwiches, etc).
• Any food enclosed inside flatbread or a a pancake is a wrap (including burrito/taco wraps, kebab wraps, mu-shu wraps, etc).

This simple and non-arbitrary framework can function across all nations and cultures. When now have a universally applicable definition.

I'm glad I was able to sort this out and explain it in a way that even the the simplest of you can understand.

Bullshit. Enclosing things in bread doesn't make a sandwich. Would you call a sausage roll a sandwich? A sandwich is clearly meat between two, separate and distinct, not conjoined, pieces of bread.

Besides your first definition being wrong, your distinction is meaningless. The line between bread and flatbread is purely arbitrary; there are numerous intermediate forms.

[Mr_Adams]

ESPN has never broadcast a sandwich eating contest. They have broadcast hot dog eating contest.

Furthermore,

Sandwich- verb- to insert between two other things

There is only one bun, split down the center, or a roll, again split down the center, but clearly still a singular contiguous piece of bread.

If anything, a hot dog is a wrap.

QED: A hotdog is not a sandwich

[Thorthoth]

NO, you are both wrong. I will make two additional points in order to refute your errors.

1. There is a natural qualitative break between breads/buns/rolls that remain planar* (sandwich breads) versus bread products that enclose by wrapping (wraps)...
2. To not include buns and rolls as traditional sandwich breads is absurd. Such breads are fundamental to the concept of sandwiches, for example submarine sandwiches or kaiser roll sandwiches, Such specialties as bagel or foccachio sandwiches are also fully applicable as well. Not to mention ice cream sandwiches and even sandwich cookies. Let me add that open-faced sandwiches are merely a modification in which the top layer of bread is excluded.

To close let me repeat my definite definitions of both sandwiches and wraps.

• Any food enclosed inside bread or a roll is a sandwich (including hamburger sandwiches, hotdog sandwiches, kebab sandwiches, etc).
• Any food enclosed inside flatbread or a a pancake is a wrap (including burrito/taco wraps, kebab wraps, mu-shu wraps, etc).

This simple and non-arbitrary framework can function across all nations and cultures. We now have a universally applicable definition.

Plerase cease your petulant and futile arguments and accept that I am right.
How can human civilization move forward if such wrong-headedness continues?

[Dukasaur]

Repeating stupid ideas doesn't magically make them right. You're just as wrong as you were yesterday.

[2dimes]

What is a sausage roll? Here they are a pastry with liquid sausage injected into them before being baked. Definately nothing bread about them.

I would like to here thorth's argument on the Chinese BBQ pork bun though.

Sandwich? Because it is stuffed before baking like the sausage roll and the recipe is sweet, typically they are steamed but the bun is definately bread.

They like the hot dog are pretty much a specific thing at the same time.

[Thorthoth]

Sausage rolls and pork Buns are pastries. We are not discussing pastries, so don't confuse the issue.

And, if I may head off other erroneous post, we are also not discussing dumplings of any sort.

[Mr_Adams]

NO, you are both wrong. I will make two additional points in order to refute your errors.

1. There is a natural qualitative break between breads/buns/rolls that remain planar* (sandwich breads) versus bread products that enclose by wrapping (wraps)...
2. To not include buns and rolls as traditional sandwich breads is absurd. Such breads are fundamental to the concept of sandwiches, for example submarine sandwiches or kaiser roll sandwiches, Such specialties as bagel or foccachio sandwiches are also fully applicable as well. Not to mention ice cream sandwiches and even sandwich cookies. Let me add that open-faced sandwiches are merely a modification in which the top layer of bread is excluded.

To close let me repeat my definite definitions of both sandwiches and wraps.

• Any food enclosed inside bread or a roll is a sandwich (including hamburger sandwiches, hotdog sandwiches, kebab sandwiches, etc).
• Any food enclosed inside flatbread or a a pancake is a wrap (including burrito/taco wraps, kebab wraps, mu-shu wraps, etc).

This simple and non-arbitrary framework can function across all nations and cultures. We now have a universally applicable definition.

Plerase cease your petulant and futile arguments and accept that I am right.
How can human civilization move forward if such wrong-headedness continues?

The Sub Sandwich:


contains 2 separate pieces of bread (top and bottom), as is the cheese burger






The Gyro/ Kebab etc.:



are referred to by the name sandwich, however are clearly a subset of the taco:



Just because it is called by the name sandwich, does not make it a sandwich, any more than being called a berry would make this a berry:

[waauw]

The Gyro/ Kebab etc.:

That's a Dürüm Kebab. This is an ordinary kebab, completely different, a sandwich. No rolls, real bread. The only difference with a hamburger and a western sandwich is that the bread is only half sliced rather than split entirely into two pieces.

[Thorthoth]

For the sake of argument, 'wraps' could be interpreted as a subset of 'sandwiches', but they would still need to be identified with the modifier "wrap sandwich". In that situation, 'sandwich' becomes an extra word that would be probably dropped in everyday communication.

Similar to the way that hot dogs and hamburger sandwiches are frequently just called 'hot dogs' and 'hamburgers'.

[hotfire]

Open-faced sandwiches are sandwiches. Thus the name sandwich after the adjective.

[Thorthoth]

I'm with you on that one, hotfire.