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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby nietzsche on Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:20 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
nietzsche wrote:
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What other speculations are there? It's the only theory I've ever heard.


I'd lie to you if I told you this and that. I think the theory you mentioned is mainstrean because it was in that top seller Blink i think, suggesting that normally breakthrougs come from outside of the discipline.

I've read over the years many ideas related to this, for instance the one that i like most is the "tuning in" idea... some sort of very narrow focusing in your own mind in moments of extreme clarity and energy and a lot of brain "RAM" to find something. I another idea proposed in the blink book is to think about stuff in moments like when you're shaving? Because of the focus + small stress response (maybe the first theory i mentioned was not in Blink but in another one of those top seller books.) Another popular way among authors is thinking about topics intensely for a short period of times, 2-3 days, then leave it along and in one week or two, sit down to type, and somehow the ideas/pointers have matured in the back of their minds.


I don't know, for sure, but never has anyone responded that question, if you are interested in the topic you'll have to accept the uncertainty and maybe that creates enough tension that you find the answer and tell me.


Maybe a problem is that anything I've ever read takes that answer for granted.

Here's an article that does just that:
http://www.chronicle.com/article/We-Need-More-Useless-/239365?key=sp0x03E8c0EpmAD1jKoY1bfV4sUT5Q4XEgqPwngvKWO9K3tB2ItsT7NqOgfc52k3dEZob2E0Tmk2MGVTWEZwZGRZUHdxczhkclJ1U1YyRE0tbFlVMVViMHdPbw


i promise i will read it, eventually, and promise to look for a very interesting article i read once on the scientific method and hypothesis formulation that touched the topic very interestingly.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby mrswdk on Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:12 pm

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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:47 am

mrswdk wrote:BA Wanking Into A Sock


Lol- that was kind of the nickname for maths and engineering degrees at my uni.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby mrswdk on Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:17 am

Symmetry wrote:
mrswdk wrote:BA Wanking Into A Sock


Lol- that was kind of the nickname for maths and engineering degrees at my uni.


I guess at Bath Spa University there's much more prestige in being one of the Interpretive Dance students eh.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:23 am

mrswdk wrote:
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mrswdk wrote:BA Wanking Into A Sock


Lol- that was kind of the nickname for maths and engineering degrees at my uni.


I guess at Bath Spa University there's much more prestige in being one of the Interpretive Dance students eh.


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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby mrswdk on Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:48 am

At university? I'm not really sure. For adults in gainful employment university can tend to be something of a distant memory.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby nietzsche on Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:51 am

speak for yourself whore, i had a wonderful time during university, best time of my life actually.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby mrswdk on Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:40 am

I don't mean I didn't enjoy university.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:54 pm

mrswdk wrote:I don't mean I didn't enjoy university. I had a rainbow toe-sock.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby mrswdk on Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:59 pm

So we're all in agreement that funding for university courses should be cut 60%, realigned to the useful degrees, and the rest of the money put into vocational education. Great talk, team!
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:48 pm

mrswdk wrote:At university? I'm not really sure. For adults in gainful employment university can tend to be something of a distant memory.


Perhaps a therapist could help you reconnect and process your time there. Burying your relationship with your wanksock has clearly stunted your ability to recall your past, and influenced your current behaviour.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby Thorthoth on Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:02 pm

I dunno... Has Oxford pee-pee ruined England?
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby mrswdk on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:38 am

mrswdk wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/573831/SFR60_2016_LEO_main_text_v1.1.pdf

The chart on page 2 - Czech it :o


Worth revisiting this chart and others like it, especially as the public get to hear an increasing number of stories of students being loaded up with 50-60k of debt in order to complete their degrees, with interest accruing on those debts at rates of 4-6% before students have even graduated.

Also, we can now update this thread with the following recent report:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... university

This report allows us to see not just which subjects are more valuable than others, but specifically which subjects at which universities are more valuable (e.g. how much does an engineering grad from Warwick go on to earn, compared to an English grad from Leeds?).

After reading this report, we can once again consider the fact that students of higher apprenticeships and other higher vocational/technical courses often go on to earn far more than many graduates of traditional academic degrees. Factor in the UK's chronic shortage of technical skills and resulting collapse in worker/industrial productivity, and it's clear that the answer is to close roughly 50% of the UK's universities by 2018 so that funds can be redirected towards the vocational education sector.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby nietzsche on Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:18 am

classic DY.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:35 pm

I just had to edit out the newsletter sign-up link that wasn't hyperlinked.
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Re: Has Oxford PPE ruined England?

Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:45 pm

mrswdk wrote:
mrswdk wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/573831/SFR60_2016_LEO_main_text_v1.1.pdf

The chart on page 2 - Czech it :o


Worth revisiting this chart and others like it, especially as the public get to hear an increasing number of stories of students being loaded up with 50-60k of debt in order to complete their degrees, with interest accruing on those debts at rates of 4-6% before students have even graduated.

Also, we can now update this thread with the following recent report:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... university

This report allows us to see not just which subjects are more valuable than others, but specifically which subjects at which universities are more valuable (e.g. how much does an engineering grad from Warwick go on to earn, compared to an English grad from Leeds?).

After reading this report, we can once again consider the fact that students of higher apprenticeships and other higher vocational/technical courses often go on to earn far more than many graduates of traditional academic degrees. Factor in the UK's chronic shortage of technical skills and resulting collapse in worker/industrial productivity, and it's clear that the answer is to close roughly 50% of the UK's universities by 2018 so that funds can be redirected towards the vocational education sector.


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