Netherlands: the revolution continues

[Dukasaur]

point : dukasaur.

+1 dukasaur spitting truth again. I might even start liking canadians......

I smell free pizza...

[riskllama]

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Electing someone like Trump certainly kicks the system. Mainly it shows how an ineffective system competes.

If an "ineffective" system wins, then is it really ineffective?

-TG

[mrswdk]

In yet another country people who've been ignored for years are getting the chance to kick the system that doesn't care about them.

I don't see it. I don't see how electing someone who runs on a campaign of xenophobia and hate, but otherwise is a perfect run-of-the-mill mainstream populist, is "kicking the system."

There's really two ways to "kick the system."

1. One could elect a hard-core libertarian who would shut down the apparatus of the State or at least a substantial portion of it. That would actually "kick" the system, or at least the government-funded part of it.
2. On the other hand, one could elect a Chavez-style communist who would keep the apparatus of the State but redistribute private wealth. That would "kick" the privately-run part of the system.

Electing someone like Trump does neither. Let's say he does follow through on his campaign pledge to round up all three million Mexicans in the U.S. The prisons-for-profit companies in the U.S. (who unquestionably are part of the system) will be ecstatic. In fact, I'll bet they're ejaculating on the boardroom table right now, thinking of three million new prisoners. Absolutely no part of the system will be harmed by Trump, only the common people.

I'll agree with you that the people vote for something like that because they think they've been ignored, but if they think that will change they've sure got another thing coming.

I don't see what prisons have to do with anything. It's politicians who are supposed to be accountable to all citizens, not prison wardens.

[Dukasaur]

In yet another country people who've been ignored for years are getting the chance to kick the system that doesn't care about them.

I don't see it. I don't see how electing someone who runs on a campaign of xenophobia and hate, but otherwise is a perfect run-of-the-mill mainstream populist, is "kicking the system."

There's really two ways to "kick the system."

1. One could elect a hard-core libertarian who would shut down the apparatus of the State or at least a substantial portion of it. That would actually "kick" the system, or at least the government-funded part of it.
2. On the other hand, one could elect a Chavez-style communist who would keep the apparatus of the State but redistribute private wealth. That would "kick" the privately-run part of the system.

Electing someone like Trump does neither. Let's say he does follow through on his campaign pledge to round up all three million Mexicans in the U.S. The prisons-for-profit companies in the U.S. (who unquestionably are part of the system) will be ecstatic. In fact, I'll bet they're ejaculating on the boardroom table right now, thinking of three million new prisoners. Absolutely no part of the system will be harmed by Trump, only the common people.

I'll agree with you that the people vote for something like that because they think they've been ignored, but if they think that will change they've sure got another thing coming.

I don't see what prisons have to do with anything. It's politicians who are supposed to be accountable to all citizens, not prison wardens.

The prisons are just one example. You can take any other example; it doesn't matter. The question is, how do you see "the system" getting "kicked" by electing someone like that? Which part of "the system" do you see as holding its rump and moaning in pain? Do you think the 1% are going to have any less profit? Do you see the professional class of federal bureaucrats becoming less numerous or having to take a cut in pay? Who do you see getting "kicked" and how?

[BoganGod]

point : dukasaur.

+1 dukasaur spitting truth again. I might even start liking canadians......

I smell free pizza...

Visit and you can have anything on the menu for free

[mrswdk]

In yet another country people who've been ignored for years are getting the chance to kick the system that doesn't care about them.

I don't see it. I don't see how electing someone who runs on a campaign of xenophobia and hate, but otherwise is a perfect run-of-the-mill mainstream populist, is "kicking the system."

There's really two ways to "kick the system."

1. One could elect a hard-core libertarian who would shut down the apparatus of the State or at least a substantial portion of it. That would actually "kick" the system, or at least the government-funded part of it.
2. On the other hand, one could elect a Chavez-style communist who would keep the apparatus of the State but redistribute private wealth. That would "kick" the privately-run part of the system.

Electing someone like Trump does neither. Let's say he does follow through on his campaign pledge to round up all three million Mexicans in the U.S. The prisons-for-profit companies in the U.S. (who unquestionably are part of the system) will be ecstatic. In fact, I'll bet they're ejaculating on the boardroom table right now, thinking of three million new prisoners. Absolutely no part of the system will be harmed by Trump, only the common people.

I'll agree with you that the people vote for something like that because they think they've been ignored, but if they think that will change they've sure got another thing coming.

I don't see what prisons have to do with anything. It's politicians who are supposed to be accountable to all citizens, not prison wardens.

The prisons are just one example. You can take any other example; it doesn't matter. The question is, how do you see "the system" getting "kicked" by electing someone like that? Which part of "the system" do you see as holding its rump and moaning in pain?

The politicians who had stopped even pretending to care about significant chunks of the population and the people who cheerled those politicians.

The same politicians and commentators who are now bawling about how hideous Trump/Brexit/etc. are.

[Dukasaur]

In yet another country people who've been ignored for years are getting the chance to kick the system that doesn't care about them.

I don't see it. I don't see how electing someone who runs on a campaign of xenophobia and hate, but otherwise is a perfect run-of-the-mill mainstream populist, is "kicking the system."

There's really two ways to "kick the system."

1. One could elect a hard-core libertarian who would shut down the apparatus of the State or at least a substantial portion of it. That would actually "kick" the system, or at least the government-funded part of it.
2. On the other hand, one could elect a Chavez-style communist who would keep the apparatus of the State but redistribute private wealth. That would "kick" the privately-run part of the system.

Electing someone like Trump does neither. Let's say he does follow through on his campaign pledge to round up all three million Mexicans in the U.S. The prisons-for-profit companies in the U.S. (who unquestionably are part of the system) will be ecstatic. In fact, I'll bet they're ejaculating on the boardroom table right now, thinking of three million new prisoners. Absolutely no part of the system will be harmed by Trump, only the common people.

I'll agree with you that the people vote for something like that because they think they've been ignored, but if they think that will change they've sure got another thing coming.

I don't see what prisons have to do with anything. It's politicians who are supposed to be accountable to all citizens, not prison wardens.

The prisons are just one example. You can take any other example; it doesn't matter. The question is, how do you see "the system" getting "kicked" by electing someone like that? Which part of "the system" do you see as holding its rump and moaning in pain?

The politicians who had stopped even pretending to care about significant chunks of the population and the people who cheerled those politicians.

The same politicians and commentators who are now bawling about how hideous Trump/Brexit/etc. are.

Okay, so a small set of politicians lost their jobs. (A certain subset of those would have lost their jobs in any case.) The majority of politicians kept their jobs. The system as a whole keeps rolling along, business as usual. And you think you've won in some way. Okay, we'll leave it here.

[mrswdk]

In America people got a president and in the UK they managed to forced the country out of the EU.

It's not about gutting the entire government and replacing everyone with undergrad interns, it's about the politicians who get to determine national policy being made to realize that business as usual isn't good enough any more.

[mookiemcgee]

In yet another country people who've been ignored for years are getting the chance to kick the system that doesn't care about them.

I don't see it. I don't see how electing someone who runs on a campaign of xenophobia and hate, but otherwise is a perfect run-of-the-mill mainstream populist, is "kicking the system."

There's really two ways to "kick the system."

1. One could elect a hard-core libertarian who would shut down the apparatus of the State or at least a substantial portion of it. That would actually "kick" the system, or at least the government-funded part of it.
2. On the other hand, one could elect a Chavez-style communist who would keep the apparatus of the State but redistribute private wealth. That would "kick" the privately-run part of the system.

Electing someone like Trump does neither. Let's say he does follow through on his campaign pledge to round up all three million Mexicans in the U.S. The prisons-for-profit companies in the U.S. (who unquestionably are part of the system) will be ecstatic. In fact, I'll bet they're ejaculating on the boardroom table right now, thinking of three million new prisoners. Absolutely no part of the system will be harmed by Trump, only the common people.

I'll agree with you that the people vote for something like that because they think they've been ignored, but if they think that will change they've sure got another thing coming.

Since Nov, "GEO" up roughly 100%, "CXW" up 125%!

[Dukasaur]

In yet another country people who've been ignored for years are getting the chance to kick the system that doesn't care about them.

I don't see it. I don't see how electing someone who runs on a campaign of xenophobia and hate, but otherwise is a perfect run-of-the-mill mainstream populist, is "kicking the system."

There's really two ways to "kick the system."

1. One could elect a hard-core libertarian who would shut down the apparatus of the State or at least a substantial portion of it. That would actually "kick" the system, or at least the government-funded part of it.
2. On the other hand, one could elect a Chavez-style communist who would keep the apparatus of the State but redistribute private wealth. That would "kick" the privately-run part of the system.

Electing someone like Trump does neither. Let's say he does follow through on his campaign pledge to round up all three million Mexicans in the U.S. The prisons-for-profit companies in the U.S. (who unquestionably are part of the system) will be ecstatic. In fact, I'll bet they're ejaculating on the boardroom table right now, thinking of three million new prisoners. Absolutely no part of the system will be harmed by Trump, only the common people.

I'll agree with you that the people vote for something like that because they think they've been ignored, but if they think that will change they've sure got another thing coming.

Since Nov, "GEO" up roughly 100%, "CXW" up 125%!

Misery and suffering for profit. Can't help but shake your head.

[mookiemcgee]

In yet another country people who've been ignored for years are getting the chance to kick the system that doesn't care about them.

I don't see it. I don't see how electing someone who runs on a campaign of xenophobia and hate, but otherwise is a perfect run-of-the-mill mainstream populist, is "kicking the system."

There's really two ways to "kick the system."

1. One could elect a hard-core libertarian who would shut down the apparatus of the State or at least a substantial portion of it. That would actually "kick" the system, or at least the government-funded part of it.
2. On the other hand, one could elect a Chavez-style communist who would keep the apparatus of the State but redistribute private wealth. That would "kick" the privately-run part of the system.

Electing someone like Trump does neither. Let's say he does follow through on his campaign pledge to round up all three million Mexicans in the U.S. The prisons-for-profit companies in the U.S. (who unquestionably are part of the system) will be ecstatic. In fact, I'll bet they're ejaculating on the boardroom table right now, thinking of three million new prisoners. Absolutely no part of the system will be harmed by Trump, only the common people.

I'll agree with you that the people vote for something like that because they think they've been ignored, but if they think that will change they've sure got another thing coming.

Since Nov, "GEO" up roughly 100%, "CXW" up 125%!

Misery and suffering for profit. Can't help but shake your head.

Health care is next up on the docket! Yay, more misery and suffering for profit!

[saxitoxin]

Every single other party in the Netherlands has already expressed they will refuse to join a coalition with Geert Wilders. The guy is not going anywhere, and well deservedly so. He is 10x worse than Le Pen, Trump and Orban combined. How people could be for a guy like that is beyond me. He actively propagates crimes against humanity.

You're probably right because I don't think the Dutch are very good at doing stuff like thinking.

If the other parties form a coalition to keep Geert out of government, then Geert's party will end up being the largest party out of government, ergo, Geert will be the leading Opposition spokesman which will give him official legitimacy and put him in a powerful position for the next election (which will likely happen quickly as any non PVV coalition will be fragile). If the PVV were brought into government they could be stifled as a small part of a larger whole.

The best thing that could happen to Geert right now is to get a plurality but not be invited to form a government. It seems the Dutch are playing right into his hands.

So it looks like my prediction was right.

Rutte's party lost enough seats that he'll now have to depend on a broad coalition to stay in government, meaning Geert Wilders gets promoted from minor party leader to Leader of the Opposition.

[BoganGod]

I like the fact that this tune with different lyrics is still in the Seventh Day Adventist Hymnal(South Sea & Australasia Edition). A fine tradition of cross pollination between folk culture, religion, politics and nationalism. The mighty hymn of the blood cult, Onward Christian Soldiers was supposedly cribbed from a real soldiers marching song.
*Seventh Day Adventist is the faith that the knife thug Ben Carson follows