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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:54 am

Symmetry wrote:Well anyway, I don't think that it's this particular piece of scandal that will bring down Trump. Like I said, he's had similar stuff and worse, and people didn't care. Where it will hobble him is in the House. If anything brings him down it will be the inevitable scandals of ethics violations, combined with that diminished level of trust in Senate and Congress, the press, the intelligence agencies, the foreign community, and the civil service.


Intel agencies consist of people. Replace the people who distrust you with people who trust you and then the Intel agencies trust you. In six days the leadership of all Intel agencies are taken over by Trump Party officials.

And no backbench Republican congressman with two mistresses, a coke habit, and a a kid with an unreported DUI will cross a president who controls a secret police force that's just demonstrated it will take on a president elect and one who has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to unseat state party officials via tweet.

Trump has the whip. The cows will obey.
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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby BoganGod on Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:18 am

saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Well anyway, I don't think that it's this particular piece of scandal that will bring down Trump. Like I said, he's had similar stuff and worse, and people didn't care. Where it will hobble him is in the House. If anything brings him down it will be the inevitable scandals of ethics violations, combined with that diminished level of trust in Senate and Congress, the press, the intelligence agencies, the foreign community, and the civil service.


Intel agencies consist of people. Replace the people who distrust you with people who trust you and then the Intel agencies trust you. In six days the leadership of all Intel agencies are taken over by Trump Party officials.

And no backbench Republican congressman with two mistresses, a coke habit, and a a kid with an unreported DUI will cross a president who controls a secret police force that's just demonstrated it will take on a president elect and one who has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to unseat state party officials via tweet.

Trump has the whip. The cows will obey.

Word, and the deplorable "mane" stream media will just flick their locks, air kiss for the camera and scream oppression at every step. Just like Meryl "I support child rapists" Streep, the cognitive dissonance is strong in the left.

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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:31 am

saxitoxin wrote:The President has officially declared CNN a fake news site.



CNN to pay the price for spreading FakeNews and for its Russophobia -

    There is speculation that the feud between Trump and the network might impact AT&T’s proposed acquisition of Time Warner, which is CNN’s parent company. Trump has said he opposes the deal and met with AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson in New York City on Thursday.

    “Maybe CNN gets a short term bump from the attention,” said David Shuster, the former Fox News and MSBNC anchor who once worked for CNN president Jeff Zucker. “But the long term damage to CNN, and the boost to Trump, could be significant. He's winning this.”


    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/31423 ... crosshairs
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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:28 pm

The New McCarthyism begins.
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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby BoganGod on Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:20 pm

Dukasaur wrote:The New McCarthyism begins.

Bollocks. The era of the SJW, virtue signalling cry bully is over.
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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:17 pm

BoganGod wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:The New McCarthyism begins.

Bollocks. The era of the SJW, virtue signalling cry bully is over.


I believe you're mistaken. That's a red herring that has nothing to do with anything important, although the alt-right certainly wants you to think it matters.
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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:46 pm

Dukasaur wrote:The New McCarthyism begins.


The era of McCarthyism ends.

    "... anyone who has had the temerity to question whether NATO’s relentless expansion eastward to Russia’s borders has contributed to the crisis [in Ukraine], can look forward to being labeled a 'useful idiot,' a 'dupe,' or a 'Kremlin apologist.' The trend towards character assassination in lieu of substantive debate has been one of the defining features of the debate over US-Russia policy."

    http://www.worldpolicy.org/blog/2015/07 ... ing-russia
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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:55 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:The New McCarthyism begins.


The era of McCarthyism ends.

    "... anyone who has had the temerity to question whether NATO’s relentless expansion eastward to Russia’s borders has contributed to the crisis [in Ukraine], can look forward to being labeled a 'useful idiot,' a 'dupe,' or a 'Kremlin apologist.' The trend towards character assassination in lieu of substantive debate has been one of the defining features of the debate over US-Russia policy."

    http://www.worldpolicy.org/blog/2015/07 ... ing-russia


That's sheer and utter nonsense. I don't know any serious authors who didn't question the stupidity of NATO's continuing expansion. Were they called names by their opponents? Probably. I'm sure the name-calling you report above actually happened. But was anyone jailed or prohibited from holding a job because of it? No? Then whatever it is, it's not McCarthyism.
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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby BoganGod on Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:24 pm

NATO & the UN. Both corrupt bodies for collectivising bullying costs and making only weak nations accountable.

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Re: The Siberian Candidate

Postby Symmetry on Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:26 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:The New McCarthyism begins.


The era of McCarthyism ends.

    "... anyone who has had the temerity to question whether NATO’s relentless expansion eastward to Russia’s borders has contributed to the crisis [in Ukraine], can look forward to being labeled a 'useful idiot,' a 'dupe,' or a 'Kremlin apologist.' The trend towards character assassination in lieu of substantive debate has been one of the defining features of the debate over US-Russia policy."

    http://www.worldpolicy.org/blog/2015/07 ... ing-russia


That's sheer and utter nonsense. I don't know any serious authors who didn't question the stupidity of NATO's continuing expansion. Were they called names by their opponents? Probably. I'm sure the name-calling you report above actually happened. But was anyone jailed or prohibited from holding a job because of it? No? Then whatever it is, it's not McCarthyism.


It's a pretty useless term, more redolent of the kind of Cold War thinking that the Russia government seems to wallow in. Not to excuse Western powers who have their fair share of the rhetoric, but it's weird how dated some of the stuff that comes out of the Kremlin propaganda channels is.

Ukraine wanted in to NATO because they feared that Russia would invade their country. It did. Russia claims that the parts of Ukraine it holds are Russian by historic right. That argument would not be different with or without NATO.
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