Sorry about not replying yesterday. I was busy all day and didn't get to come here and post. So let me deal with everything that happened since my last post. This may be long so bare with me.
Skittles! wrote:Fircoal wrote:Skittles! wrote:Nark has been a lot more upfront than you have Chu throughout the whole game so far. While he did say he didn't see how many different types there are in his PM, there should be more of a case against him other than that. Otherwise I would have been lynched due to misremembering my wording of the PM too.
Did you even read what I wrote just above? I mean yes ideally there should be more than that but there isn't. It's not my decision to allow quoting of pms into this game, that's Mandy's choice. But while it is here it's in town's best interest to use it. If you remember the reason you weren't lynched was because you remembered what your pm said and we could confirm that. AD hasn't done the same. That's where the difference lies.
Also Nark being upfront does not make me any less upfront. Whatever you mean by that.
That is true, there is a difference. Just because that's all there is on Nark does not mean we need to settle on him, there have been so many leads that have actually just been a dead end this whole day. While we should lynch someone really soon, I still there can be information found from other players that have not been giving much input. Going on this, here is a list of people who haven't yet claimed being a pokemon (from what I remember) :
Fircoal
Skoffin
Marashu
newguy
nagerous
Hotshot
Ragian(?)
MM
TWO
exile
Talapus
Serbia
It's from this list that I think we should get more information from them in regards to how they fit into this.
Also, I am willing to believe that Nark is a pro-town or anti-trainer/TR.
There is no way that's a complete list. It's also really easy for people to state they are Pokemon when they're not.
BuJaber wrote:Here are my thoughts on Nark: Like a few of you mentioned already, he's had plenty of time to correct himself. The fact that he hasn't makes us think he's lying. That is the obvious conclusion. But if he's not a wild pokemon, and he wants to pass as one, why wouldn't he just lie again and admit he misread it??! Why would scum fake claim being a wild pokemon, then intentionally distance himself from other claimed wild pokemon? I mean if that is his tactic then kudos to him, he's fooled me.. but I don't believe he's scum. I don't believe he's trainer. I think he's just too lazy to go back and re-read every word of his PM. Or he could be misunderstanding it.
Read the bolded. That's actually a good point. One that I shamefully didn't consider. When I first thought of the Nark case I thought of it purely in the lie that way made. If he was lying why would he be lying. To me that made more sense if he was scum. After all it's only natural that scum wants to align in with the wild Pokemon / town so it seemed like an easy conclusion to make based off of the inconsistency. But Bu is right that there is something else to consider. And that is why would he stick to his guns so harshly. While others may think that his lack of defense is scummy when you think about it, why wouldn't scum just admit that it was a misread? That'd make it much easier on themselves. Scum naturally don't want to draw attention, and going back would get some of the heat off of him. Look at what happened to Skittles, when he corrected himself the heat went off of him. It did help that he had some convincing words but it does set a presentant.
BuJaber wrote:Having said that, it makes me question Fircoal and Mets jumping on his case. I would question Wing and Kwanton too but in my eyes they've already given enough evidence that they're working against Team Rocket.
I voted for it because I felt that the lie was scummy. I probably didn't think it through enough but it made sense when I voted.
new guy1 wrote:My vote will go to Marashu. Vote Marashu Ragian has been trying to get us to look at him for a little bit. I donāt really know that I support the initial reasoning for the case, however, I do find Marashuās silence to be vote worthy. Havenāt heard from him in six days, and he was apparently going to have āmuch more timeā a day after his last post, so I want to know why he hasnāt been updating us with his thoughts. At least until I can read through the posts to see who ādidnāt know/believeā Wild Pokemon existed and see if thereās any case to put together there.
Why are you voting an inactive? And you're doing so without giving any opinions on the main cases that are bubbling up. While I don't mind bringing new cases out into the forefront (I think it's good personally) I think you need to do better than vote the inactive. Besides he's kgetting replaced anyawy. Soooo... is there anything to go on him besides his inactivty? Because that's what your post amounts to. It seems like an easy vote that avoids taking a large stance.
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:I told you guys ages ago that Fircoal, Skoffin and TheWierdOne were playing as a three. Its not a new thing that Fircoals posts are odd. Can we please lynch him. Unvote vote Fircoal
You know you could play this game with logic and reason rather than assuming that you know all and don't have to tell everyone anything. I don't get where you get the idea that I'm linked to anyone considering I seem to be stumbling around on own volition.
TimWoodbury wrote:I get what your saying no lynch being bad but really weve been a week already and got 6 votes max on anyone...may i ask when exactly is to long nd its a good idea to simply end the day?
If you want to end the day it should be done by vote. At the very least someone unhelpful could be lynched and there's a chance they're scum. It's that chance of hitting scum that's so useful. Town has to use it whenever they can. I will note it is a bit different in this game since Pokemon likely have kill powers as well, however I still don't advise giving up the town's main power.
BuJaber wrote:And then here we have dakky telling us that we should kill team rocket trainers, but he wants to vote for what he thinks is a pokemon captured by team rocket, not a trainer. Also he starts to question the whole scum vs town setup in this game. Trainers might be scum? Wild pokemon might be scum? Why would you suggest these things, when you have not only claimed to be wild pokemon, but also that a trainer captured you.. So are you saying that both you and your trainer might be scum?
Just strangely inconsistent behavior that suggest he himself is on the fence on where he stands.. Or he knows a lot more than us and he's just trying
Honestly to me it comes off more that he's confused rather than he's scummy. I mean I'm not sure whose grand plan would come with trying to convince everyone that Team Rocket is good. That seems silly. Especially since he claims to be a town recruited wild pokemon. Why would he throw himself under the bus? It so nonsensical that it points to confusion as the cause.
nagerous wrote:Anarkistsdream wrote:Oh, and wasting your lynch on me is going to screw the game when Team Rocket abducts more wild pokemon in the night or kills a few of you...
Or, wait, how about this...
I MISREAD MY PM... There, does that make it all better? Whether I did or not is irrelevant, because, either way, people will still attack me. So, either deal with me and keep moving or kill me...
VOTE FIRCOAL
I don't know why but I believe you, even though I wanted to have caught you out red handed and there remains a strong case considering your continual denial for multiple pages on this topic, I oddly find you trustworthy still.
BULLSHIT. This so very much comes off as. "I really wanted to get you lynched but now since the public opinion as swayed against lynching you I'm forced to say that I believe you without providing much logic to go along with it." This reeks so very much of playing the public opinion. WHY do you find him trustworthy? Because you state NOTHING. The only thing that you state is that it's odd. IT's only odd because YOU'RE NOT BRINGING UP ANY REASONS. And it just so happens to coincide with Nark being taken off the heat of public opinion.
nagerous wrote:The Fircoal case is a very interesting one, he was quick to join the bandwagon and his reasoning wasn't very strong, it felt like he was just trying to follow the vanguard of opinion at the time rather than assert true views and true opinions if you compare the way he is playing to someone like Kwanton who is giving off a a very strong town vibe.
I am going to lay my cards on the table here and
vote Fircoal .
So you couldn't bandwagon Nark, so what do you do? Bandwagon me! Of course! Again this has nothing to do with me or Nark it has everything to do with public opinion.
Ok, you think I was bandwagonning? Fine let's assume that for now. So if we're going to go with that why don't we cover all of the bandwagonners in this game? I mean there are several of them. I can go and find them if you'd like although it'd take a long time.
Ok now that aside, what else did I have to say about the lynch? Do I have to repeat everything that was said. This is how it was for me: Nark was lying. The team that is most likely to lie is scum. Thusly Nark is likely scum. Now yes there are wrinkles that you can put in there and that we're addressing now but from THAT point that was what my logic was. Let's review the words shall we?
Fircoal wrote:@Nark, I do find it quite troubling that his information clashes so heavily. Considering that he says he's a wild Pokemon and yet his pm seems to be different from the wild Pokemon pm. That means he's likely lying, which wouldn't make sense if he was a town trainer. Unvote. Vote: AD
In red we have the logic that leads me to believe that he's lying. The inconsistency.
In green we have the logic that follows from him being a liar. It could be stated better yes. (I probably should have put it the opposite way. (That scum benefits more from lying.)) But it still communicates why I voted for him.
nagerous wrote:Fircoal however has sat on the fence on many issues and hasn't got involved enough in the flavour spec and the question marks over wild Pokemon etc and that's why I have chosen to vote him in this case.
OH LOOK! MORE BULLSHIT! Have I really sat on the fence of many issues? You can look through my posts. I comment on everything that I find worthy to comment about or that I have something to say. Off the top of my head I can remember people getting jumpy to lynch MM, and I constantly disagreed with that. And yes even though I thought his lynch would be a mistake I also countered his leaps of logic and made sure to note what I thought was fishy. If you're going to mistake me stating my true opinions as being on the fence then you're sorely mistaken. The thing is there are many people in this game. And there are many that act in different ways. Not everyone is going to be 100% scum or 100% town. As it happens most of the people who have gotten the big vote counts have been people who I haven't had strong reads on. Those that I have, I have brought out all my reasons for and voted them. I did this with Mitch, and I did this with Serbia. While I do admit I don't know enough about Mitch's metagame to be as concrete on him. These are the two that I feel are acting the most scummy of them all.
And furthermore I didn't sit on the fence when it came to Nark. I voted him. So if you're going to try to pin me for that why are you also bringing up "fence setting"? Is it because what I found scummy is different than what you found. Because that's rediculous. That's not scummy, that's called having differing opinions. Ones fueled by your own want to stay with public approval.
Also personally I'm not big on playing flavor spec. It can help but I think it helps a lot less than actually finding who the scum are and getting rid of them. I mean it's nice to know what the setup is, but we can also find out who the scum are without the setup. I do happen to be in a weird state where I actually know the subject material. I state this because most mafia games I have no clue what the theme is about, thusly I am utterly useless for flavor spec. Maybe this is why you expect me to be all on it, but still you're asking for me to do something that I haven't really ever done because of that. And it's not like I've done nothing. I've carried off of what others said correcting them when need be. I just have focused my efforts on finding scum. Which I've done a lot of. Funny how you don't mention that.
Overall your case is a big pile of BS. It's a shoddy made cover to hide the fact that Nag is bandwagonning.
DoomYoshi wrote:@Fircoal: in the OP, subrule 3 about feedbacks indicates that dakky's recruit works exactly like mandy says it should. The action happens in the night (pre-game in this case) and then the result is received in the day. The case on you is not surprising at this point. You are more familiar with Pokemon than anyone and you even played in my PKMN Chapter 1 which featured the same setup and yet you seem surprised by all the mechanics that people mention.
Yes I see that after rereading the rules. Although it's not a dayrecruit, but a beginning of game recruit.
Yes I am more familiar with Pokemon. That doesn't make me all knowing. There are others that know Pokemon too. It also does hurt that it's only Gen 1. I'm sure many more of you are familiar with Gen 1. I mean if this was Gen 5 Pokemon mafia then yes I'd be the know it all but since it's only gen 1 I doubt my knowledge is that much higher than everyone else's. And yes I can see now how the Dakky recruit worked but when I saw it as a random day recruit I found it quite interesting.
Also where am I surprised by anything other than the action happening at day? Because I haven't really been. Also PKMN Chapter 1 happened a long time ago. I forgot everything about it. It's your game so you're bound to know more about it. Maybe you can see the parallels because you remember it but it's been too long for me. I've also not been here for a while so there's that too.
Anarkistsdream wrote:I never said I misread my PM... In fact, I have been quite adamant that I read it fully...
And Wing is the only person who said I sucked at Mafia so far... Which hurt me... Deeply...
But, I will be the first to say I am not a great mafia player. But I play until my demise... I don't give up and roleclaim like some players, or bitch when the mod posts something I don't like, or submarine... I stay active, I participate, and I come up with theories, even if they are dumb. I am no Fircoal, no Serbia, No Nagerous... Just poor little Narky over here in the corner, weeping on my enormous pillow all alone...
I think that AD is a fine mafia player personally. I don't know why he's getting all this hate. He's wrong right not but he's not a bad player.
Samlen wrote:Sorry this isn't a larger post, but my thoughts really aren't that complicated even after all that I read. None of the new cases that have popped seem like solid cases. They really just feel like more people trying to jump on other people to lynch them for any reason.
That sums up the case on me quite well.
Anarkistsdream wrote:If people keep splitting votes like this, the day will never end... TWO, you know this... It looks really suspicious when there are three people with four votes already, and then you launch this crap out of the blue... Seems like you are protecting someone... Like Fircoal.
While I agree that the big cases need to be dealt with. There is still room for other cases that make sense. I think TWO's point is a good one. SKittles is trying to push everyone to basically out themselves. It's not a good play.
madmitch wrote:Samlen wrote:Sorry this isn't a larger post, but my thoughts really aren't that complicated even after all that I read. None of the new cases that have popped seem like solid cases. They really just feel like more people trying to jump on other people to lynch them for any reason. Is pretty tempting after how long this day has gone on, but I still believe that mitch is one of the scummier players in this game so far, so I am keeping my vote on him. As to the people whom keep mentioning that it's his normal playstyle, that's a pretty dangerous approach to take when reading someone, since in my experience it has lead to many scum hiding under their 'normal' playstyle.
WHY?? Haven't you been reading the posts ? I am a wild pokemon ,I WIN IF I SURVIVE TO THE END OF THE GAME AND
TEAM ROCKET DOESN'T WIN. You should know this BECAUSE I think you are also a pokemon.
unvote vote fircoal ,it is the logical thing to do.
And here we go with the complete bandwagonning again. You, Nag, and Tim all have basically taken nothing and turned it into a reason to vote. There's no reasoning here, nothing. It's a pure bandwagon vote. And it's even bandwagon time as you're the 5th vote here.
After looking over what's been said and thinking about it I don't understand why AD would continue to keep pressure on himself by denying that he misread it. It might very well be possible that AD's pm is worded differently although I'm not sure why that would be. Regardless it'd be too easy as scum to backtrack and yet he didn't.
On the other hand you have mitch running around bandwagonning. Combined with all of the things he said earlier that caught my eye I'm going to
Unvote. Vote: Mitch. I thought he was scum before and those feelings still do hold true. His latest post is a pure bandwagon with an intent to try to fit in with everyone else. Meanwhile I feel like the case on Nark has grown murkyier with new perspectives. Not to mention that his contriubtion to the town is larger than Mitch's. I still do want to watch over him though. However due to that murkiness Mitch has raised up above him on the scumminess scale. I would also like to state that I distrust Serbia and Nag still. However Mitch's bandwagoniness puts him at the top currently. I also feel like it'll be easier to observe those like NAg and Serbia in the future to see if they continue to do scummy stuff. It is still possible that they can help the town. However Mitch has not helped the town and I doubt he will do so. That combined with his scumminess makes him a good candidate for our lynch.
