Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Since when is third party survivor a town role?

Sure, when you said wild were town people were like no no. Or was it you saying no no when I said Anark was town?

[DoomYoshi]

I think the role will say "Ash's Pikachu" or whatever. I could be totally wrong on it. I also think it might reveal a color, blue for town, red for mafia etc. but I could be totally wrong on that. In fact, with so many 100% cops in this game, roles may be hidden. When I say 100% cop I mean vig since Vigs are like cops, except everyone gets to see the role and not just the cop so they are much better.

@Wing: that was just my wink-wink at you and you know it.

[Minister Masket]

To answer all of you in a single rhetoric question: If I was claimed by TR, why would I go ahead and claim I am claimed by a trainer?

I know who my trainer is (one of you knows as well) and I know I am still "town" so claiming while unnecessary and without pressure (I had a vote or two on myself) was productive to generate more talk.

That works both ways though. Why claim so early and without pressure if you were town recruited?
If it was purely to generate more talk as you say then it makes no difference if you are now town, 3rd party or scum. It's the odds I don't trust.
The Fircoal vote is interesting

I don't know what to think about MM.

Welcome to my typical game strategy.

He just posted the 5 types like it was some sort of revelation, when it was obvious to all wild pokemon from their PMs. We've even been talking about it for the past few pages. Some of us knew exactly which types of wild pokemon are in the game. This is not a confirmation as to whether MM was correct about the role types or not.

Really? That's interesting when you consider nagerous' post from a couple pages back:

Gary doesn't have a Pokemon in particular in the anime and Team rockets Pokemon are poison ones and I am not convinced poison Pokemon in the game so they could have easily recruited dakky from the wild Pokemon.

Why would he at least consider the possibility of poison types being included if the other five types are so obvious?
And then there's this a few posts later:

Most of us know about at least five types but I am going to guess there is another type out there who doesn't play to the same roles out there and may not know about the strengths and weaknesses of each type, the normal type..

He seems to believe there's six types, not five. So I wouldn't say any theory is set in stone as of yet since you two aren't on the same page.

[Minister Masket]

Whoops, posted without finishing my sentence. ><
I was saying the Fircoal vote is interesting but aside from voting from me earlier on, he hasn't done too much to peak my interest.
That said he tends to play very well when under no pressure.

[Ragian]

@Buj, I don't think that is a real good case, no. If you want to go for someone who's inconsistent, it feels ironic to go for the one who is going for Mitch. Cheers for laying out the case, though. Back to Marashu. I've asked he be prodded. He probably won't turn up. What do we do then? To be honest, my case is based on meta-fears because he has duped me as a helpful 3rd party before. This time, however, he was only slightly helpful before disappearing. Does that mean that he's scum? No, but it means that he's a liability. I need to sort out who's going to be my vote when Marashu turns up. I would vote mitch over dakky.

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Good luck going through all of them, Strike. Here's another for you

show: MM

(Nice idea with the spoiler - sometimes I'm too thick)

Re: Nark, some say he's an experienced player and other say that any scum would be quick to admit to misreading her/his PM. This basically suggests that people voting Nark are saying that Nark isn't a great mafia player. Or am I misunderstanding this completely? (And don't use the "he didn't say what's in other people's PMs", I get that).

Fircoal however has sat on the fence on many issues and hasn't got involved enough in the flavour spec and the question marks over wild Pokemon etc and that's why I have chosen to vote him in this case.

This ^ is much more interesting. Not because I necessarily think that chu (right?) is scum, but because flavour speculation seems all-important to Nag. I, for one, don't know diddly about Pokemon (and I won't bother to read as I was promised it wasn't needed), so to me flavour speculation (especially D1) is pollution where some players get to state a lot without having to commit to anything serious, "Oh well, I was just speculating." When I catch my breath (Thursday - and I apologise, but work will be crazy tomorrow), I'll revisit these thoughts on Nag (as well as attempt to investigate his accusations against chu).

@Doom, why is flavour speculation important?

If you skimmed and didn't see the parenthesis, I'll make an attempt to check in tomorrow, but most likely it won't be till Thursday. Apologies.

[nagerous]

To answer all of you in a single rhetoric question: If I was claimed by TR, why would I go ahead and claim I am claimed by a trainer?

I know who my trainer is (one of you knows as well) and I know I am still "town" so claiming while unnecessary and without pressure (I had a vote or two on myself) was productive to generate more talk.

That works both ways though. Why claim so early and without pressure if you were town recruited?
If it was purely to generate more talk as you say then it makes no difference if you are now town, 3rd party or scum. It's the odds I don't trust.
The Fircoal vote is interesting

I don't know what to think about MM.

Welcome to my typical game strategy.

He just posted the 5 types like it was some sort of revelation, when it was obvious to all wild pokemon from their PMs. We've even been talking about it for the past few pages. Some of us knew exactly which types of wild pokemon are in the game. This is not a confirmation as to whether MM was correct about the role types or not.

Really? That's interesting when you consider nagerous' post from a couple pages back:

Gary doesn't have a Pokemon in particular in the anime and Team rockets Pokemon are poison ones and I am not convinced poison Pokemon in the game so they could have easily recruited dakky from the wild Pokemon.

Why would he at least consider the possibility of poison types being included if the other five types are so obvious?
And then there's this a few posts later:

Most of us know about at least five types but I am going to guess there is another type out there who doesn't play to the same roles out there and may not know about the strengths and weaknesses of each type, the normal type..

He seems to believe there's six types, not five. So I wouldn't say any theory is set in stone as of yet since you two aren't on the same page.

Masket, what I was saying is there may be other types of Pokemon in the game, they are just not wild ones. If team rocket is in the game you would expect meowth. Mandy only confirms there are four types of wild Pokemon.

[nagerous]

Ebwop

To answer all of you in a single rhetoric question: If I was claimed by TR, why would I go ahead and claim I am claimed by a trainer?

I know who my trainer is (one of you knows as well) and I know I am still "town" so claiming while unnecessary and without pressure (I had a vote or two on myself) was productive to generate more talk.

That works both ways though. Why claim so early and without pressure if you were town recruited?
If it was purely to generate more talk as you say then it makes no difference if you are now town, 3rd party or scum. It's the odds I don't trust.
The Fircoal vote is interesting

I don't know what to think about MM.

Welcome to my typical game strategy.

He just posted the 5 types like it was some sort of revelation, when it was obvious to all wild pokemon from their PMs. We've even been talking about it for the past few pages. Some of us knew exactly which types of wild pokemon are in the game. This is not a confirmation as to whether MM was correct about the role types or not.

Really? That's interesting when you consider nagerous' post from a couple pages back:

Gary doesn't have a Pokemon in particular in the anime and Team rockets Pokemon are poison ones and I am not convinced poison Pokemon in the game so they could have easily recruited dakky from the wild Pokemon.

Why would he at least consider the possibility of poison types being included if the other five types are so obvious?
And then there's this a few posts later:

Most of us know about at least five types but I am going to guess there is another type out there who doesn't play to the same roles out there and may not know about the strengths and weaknesses of each type, the normal type..

He seems to believe there's six types, not five. So I wouldn't say any theory is set in stone as of yet since you two aren't on the same page.

Masket, what I was saying is there may be other types of Pokemon in the game, they are just not wild ones. If team rocket is in the game you would expect meowth. Mandy only confirms there are five types of wild Pokemon.

[The1exile]

@ exile: If you are a Wild Pokemon, why did it take so long for you to ask about your victory condition? Shouldn't that have been one of the first things you asked for if it wasn't in your PM?

Should it? I saw I wasn't scum and basically autofilled that I would have a town wincon, or that I wasn't being given one in case of being captured and it changing. It honestly didn't come to mind until people started discussing the format of it in the thread.

[Metsfanmax]

Partially in exile's defense, I've been in situations before where the wincon was ambiguous or not explicitly written out and didn't immediately ask the mod for clarification because it didn't seem important to ask.

[Anarkistsdream]

Re: Nark, some say he's an experienced player and other say that any scum would be quick to admit to misreading her/his PM. This basically suggests that people voting Nark are saying that Nark isn't a great mafia player. Or am I misunderstanding this completely? (And don't use the "he didn't say what's in other people's PMs",

I never said I misread my PM... In fact, I have been quite adamant that I read it fully...

And Wing is the only person who said I sucked at Mafia so far... Which hurt me... Deeply...

But, I will be the first to say I am not a great mafia player. But I play until my demise... I don't give up and roleclaim like some players, or bitch when the mod posts something I don't like, or submarine... I stay active, I participate, and I come up with theories, even if they are dumb. I am no Fircoal, no Serbia, No Nagerous... Just poor little Narky over here in the corner, weeping on my enormous pillow all alone...

[Metsfanmax]

Exactly my point. I understand that the case started out thin, which is why I didn't vote nark to begin with. I only voted him after he basically refused to defend himself. What he said just does not logically make sense with what we know to be true from our role PMs. He could have just said "woops I misread my PM". Honestly, none of this makes any sense. I wasn't going to vote him for maybe misreading his PM, but the lack of effort to defend himself is scummy as hell.

I will say that we should delay any lynch until we get a vote count from Mandy. Please don't bandwagon anymore until we hear from the mod for now. I have my reasons for saying this.

No. PLEASE STOP ASKING THE MOD TO INTERFERE IN THE GAME.

[kwanton]

All I want is an official vote count and if the inactives which nary brought up will be prodded. That really isn't the bad sort of interfering

[Anarkistsdream]

Just saying... Mandy has not been on Facebook in quite awhile... So he will probably be posting sometime tomorrow EST. He is having trouble finding a device that will actually let him on the interwebz without dying in 15 minutes.

[Metsfanmax]

All I want is an official vote count and if the inactives which nary brought up will be prodded. That really isn't the bad sort of interfering

Oh... my bad. Of course asking for a VC is alright. For some reason I remember someone saying that they wanted mandy to confirm whether Nark's role PM got messed up and I thought yours was the quote that said this because it had the big bold font. I totally didn't read it closely enough... mea culpa

[Samlen]

Sorry this isn't a larger post, but my thoughts really aren't that complicated even after all that I read. None of the new cases that have popped seem like solid cases. They really just feel like more people trying to jump on other people to lynch them for any reason. Is pretty tempting after how long this day has gone on, but I still believe that mitch is one of the scummier players in this game so far, so I am keeping my vote on him. As to the people whom keep mentioning that it's his normal playstyle, that's a pretty dangerous approach to take when reading someone, since in my experience it has lead to many scum hiding under their 'normal' playstyle.

[mandalorian2298]

Sorry for shirking my duties the last few days. I gave into temptation of cheep whisky and quick gaming and was so sleep deprived that I didn't feel up to the intellectual challenge of counting votes.

Thank you for helping out, little Narky.

Vote count:

Tim (1) - Mets

Minister Masket (1)- Talapus,

BuJaber (1) - Aage (as spurgistan)

Mitch (4) - legionnare, Samlen, Yoshi, Dakky,

Talapus (1) - Skoffin

Anark (4) - Kwanton, Strike, Fircoal, Exile

legionnare (1) - Hotshot

Dakky (2) - Masket, Mitch

Marashu (3) - BuJaber, Ragian, new guy

Fircoal (4) - Wing, Tim, Anark, Nagerous

26 alive, 14 to lynch

[mandalorian2298]

SOME NEWS AND UPDATES! (and chatter)

1. Marashu asked to be replaced. I'll be contacting mtamburini as soon as this post is finished, SO READ FASTER!!!



2. One of you has inquired about a rule concerning pokemon fights. Here is my explanation, which I shall add to the appropriate section of the first post.

If a pokemon is attacked by the type of pokemon that it is RESISTANT AGAINST, it shall suffer EXACTLY half of opponents Attack worth of damage. NO ROUNDING UP OR DOWN!

If the defending pokemon receives EXP for Defending, it shall receive the amount of Damage that it would have suffered PRIOR to the application of it's RESISTANCE/WEAKNESS.

3. This woud be the chatter part:

Aage, you still have a vote on BuJaber from your previous incarnation. While it would be reasonable from me to make an exception, it would also probably cause someone to have a tantrum about me playing favorites. Also, I hope you got your cheat sheet from the second attempt, PM system sucks. Go get them, tiger!

Is it just me or "Go get them" sounds like "Go catch them" ? Aage is a trainer? Good to know.

Mandy you should really stop with unnecessary comments, the setup itself is bastard enough.

After reviewing the play, the ruling on the field has been UPHELD, and the comments were necessary. Dakky loses one time out, still First Day!

[Ragian]

Re: Nark, some say he's an experienced player and other say that any scum would be quick to admit to misreading her/his PM. This basically suggests that people voting Nark are saying that Nark isn't a great mafia player. Or am I misunderstanding this completely? (And don't use the "he didn't say what's in other people's PMs",

I never said I misread my PM... In fact, I have been quite adamant that I read it fully...

And Wing is the only person who said I sucked at Mafia so far... Which hurt me... Deeply...

But, I will be the first to say I am not a great mafia player. But I play until my demise... I don't give up and roleclaim like some players, or bitch when the mod posts something I don't like, or submarine... I stay active, I participate, and I come up with theories, even if they are dumb. I am no Fircoal, no Serbia, No Nagerous... Just poor little Narky over here in the corner, weeping on my enormous pillow all alone...

You realised that I'm NOT saying that you're a bad player, I feel that those voting you are.

unvote

I'll be back tomorrow.

[mandalorian2298]

Skoffster won't be posting for a day or two. The gerbils are revolting so she has to re-enforce her rule with an iron fist. Or something.

[The Weird One]

A quick post from phone before work...

Nark has been a lot more upfront than you have Chu throughout the whole game so far. While he did say he didn't see how many different types there are in his PM, there should be more of a case against him other than that. Otherwise I would have been lynched due to misremembering my wording of the PM too.

Did you even read what I wrote just above? I mean yes ideally there should be more than that but there isn't. It's not my decision to allow quoting of pms into this game, that's Mandy's choice. But while it is here it's in town's best interest to use it. If you remember the reason you weren't lynched was because you remembered what your pm said and we could confirm that. AD hasn't done the same. That's where the difference lies.

Also Nark being upfront does not make me any less upfront. Whatever you mean by that.

That is true, there is a difference. Just because that's all there is on Nark does not mean we need to settle on him, there have been so many leads that have actually just been a dead end this whole day. While we should lynch someone really soon, I still there can be information found from other players that have not been giving much input. Going on this, here is a list of people who haven't yet claimed being a pokemon (from what I remember) :

Fircoal
Skoffin
Marashu
newguy
nagerous
Hotshot
Ragian(?)
MM
TWO
exile
Talapus
Serbia

It's from this list that I think we should get more information from them in regards to how they fit into this.

Also, I am willing to believe that Nark is a pro-town or anti-trainer/TR.

This stands out to me as far more suspect than either the chu or nark cases, at present. You list off the players who haven't yet claimed and are asking us to just pass out our role information. How do you know you can trust the wild pokemon claims already recieved? What's stopping everyone on this list from announcing that they are wild and don' t want to give name because types are a thing? You're fishing for information quite blatantly. Vote Skittles. I'll try for something of more substance after work...

[Anarkistsdream]

If people keep splitting votes like this, the day will never end... TWO, you know this... It looks really suspicious when there are three people with four votes already, and then you launch this crap out of the blue... Seems like you are protecting someone... Like Fircoal.

[The Weird One]

If people keep splitting votes like this, the day will never end... TWO, you know this... It looks really suspicious when there are three people with four votes already, and then you launch this crap out of the blue... Seems like you are protecting someone... Like Fircoal.

Damned if I do, and damned if I don't. Due to my general inactivity, I didn't respond with my thoughts on skittles with more expediency. I wanted to bring that response up to him, though, and I had three routes in doing so:

-Vote for skittles as I did and get called out for trying to redirect chu's bandwagon

-Make no vote and get called out for being noncomittal.

-Vote for chu and get called out for hopping on a bandwagon withou full justification. I could have waited until I had time to pen down my reasons for a chu vote, but then I would be bringing up an even older point on skittles.



While I'm not at all saying fircoal hasn't been a bit scummy, I'd still like a response from skittles on that point...I'd rather vote with solid grounding than bandwagon, and I fail to see how dragging on for a few more pages benefits the scum more than town...it just gives more pages to sift through for slipups.

[madmitch]

Sorry this isn't a larger post, but my thoughts really aren't that complicated even after all that I read. None of the new cases that have popped seem like solid cases. They really just feel like more people trying to jump on other people to lynch them for any reason. Is pretty tempting after how long this day has gone on, but I still believe that mitch is one of the scummier players in this game so far, so I am keeping my vote on him. As to the people whom keep mentioning that it's his normal playstyle, that's a pretty dangerous approach to take when reading someone, since in my experience it has lead to many scum hiding under their 'normal' playstyle.

WHY?? Haven't you been reading the posts ? I am a wild pokemon ,I WIN IF I SURVIVE TO THE END OF THE GAME AND TEAM ROCKET DOESN'T WIN. You should know this BECAUSE I think you are also a pokemon. unvote vote fircoal ,it is the logical thing to do.

[madmitch]

vote fircoal my last vote looked purple

[The Weird One]

Sorry this isn't a larger post, but my thoughts really aren't that complicated even after all that I read. None of the new cases that have popped seem like solid cases. They really just feel like more people trying to jump on other people to lynch them for any reason. Is pretty tempting after how long this day has gone on, but I still believe that mitch is one of the scummier players in this game so far, so I am keeping my vote on him. As to the people whom keep mentioning that it's his normal playstyle, that's a pretty dangerous approach to take when reading someone, since in my experience it has lead to many scum hiding under their 'normal' playstyle.

WHY?? Haven't you been reading the posts ? I am a wild pokemon ,I WIN IF I SURVIVE TO THE END OF THE GAME AND TEAM ROCKET DOESN'T WIN. You should know this BECAUSE I think you are also a pokemon. unvote vote fircoal ,it is the logical thing to do.

Have you read the entire thread? I only ask here because we already esablished that the wild pokemon win con was distributed to all players. Therefore all of the earlier reads as to who was a wild pokemon due to whatever secret handshake y'all established were invalidated from the start. Not sure why else you would be trying to quote the wild pokemon wincon thinking it'd be a valid defense.

As for your vote on fircoal, could you give more than stating it's logical...you're still just saying "He's scum, and I know it because everyone else told me so."