Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[kwanton]

I can agree here with Nark as I didn't receive a PM also stating I am town. Just wild pokemon before plot twist. I believe no one received a role such as "town trainer" or "scum team rocket". I think it's not a classic game town vs. scum. So any more assumptions on who is what don't make any sense because "town" are probably all trainers with their pokemons and scum are all the rest. And then again, probably only one trainer can win the League so speaking of "town" is actually scummy here. Just my few thoughts... unless I really did get a different Wild pokemon PM from Mandy.

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. No one mentioned their PM's saying town or scum.

The only point here is that nark did not know how many types of wild pokemon there are when it is obvious to the rest of us.

[dakky21]

The only point here is that nark did not know how many types of wild pokemon there are when it is obvious to the rest of us.

Call me a skimmer then. I didn't notice when did that happen. You were all babbling about 4 wild pokemons or 5 types or 5 whatever, I must have skimmed that. Will reread and come back.

[TimWoodbury]

okay so heres a curious question we all know pokemon can attack and defend with such a large amount of players would anyone be willing to go with no lynch today and then in night all the pokemon either attack and defend and tomarrow im shure there will prolly be more then 1 or 2 dead trainers/pokemon/TR will help narrow things down alot more then just going round in circles?? this is just a thought

[dakky21]

no lynch today

Good idea, but also a great scum tell. We don't know how nights work yet. If you were TR and you know you can kill someone during night, no lynch would be best for you as you wouldn't lose a member for sure. Something tells me mitch could be your partner as he is on 4/14 votes and you spitted out your role on what, 5,6 votes? You afraid of losing mitch?

[dakky21]

The only point here is that nark did not know how many types of wild pokemon there are when it is obvious to the rest of us.

So actually, I have to agree with you once I re-read and found this:

I never said I was not told ANYTHING. I said I didn't know how many other types of Pokemon there were... I know what I am strong and weak against... I know I am weak against two and strong against two types... But, does that mean that there are only five types? That was not directly written in my PM...

So you're not a wild Pokemon unless Mandy screwed up with PM's.

If Mandy didn't screw up and if you didn't receive that particular part of PM, I think you're the unknown 3rd party. Doesn't help us too much, but you're a valuable target as much as TR for today.

So my vote will go either to mitch or Nark for now, I'll bandwagon to majority.

[Skittles!]

I'm a bit suss with Dakky's claim to have been recruited (who by we don't know). If he has been, and there are numerous trainers in the game, does that mean other Pokemon have been recruited as well and they just haven't announced it?

I would also like to hear more from these players -
Talapus
Serbia
Hotshot
Marashu
Wing - not just dancing memes pls

[Serbia]

Unvote. My vote on mets was completely OMGUS, a drunk rage vote, based on his request to be replaced. I hate when people quit, and I was voting for a quitter. He's since continued playing the game. Hopefully he just pulls up his big boy pants and moves on. And I apologize for contributing to the decline of the game.

You're going to go back and see that I voted for a bunch of people who have since claimed to be wild pokemon, and say that doesn't sit right with you? Please, for the love of The Town, point out the people who have only voted for scum, so I can be just like them and also vote for scum. It's Day 1 bro, virtually all of us will get a few votes wrong on Day 1.

Marashu has been non-existent. Because he's scum? Or because he's not really participating?

Mandy, I Unvoted.

Holy posts, there's a lot of new information today. Gotta get caught up.

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy - Both Marashu and Mitch are listed twice in the VC.

Thank you. I'll fix it tomorrow, after I get some sleep.

You know... I was thinking about how rarely I make it to endgame... But if each day is going to be 30+ pages, maybe that isn't such a bad thing... MANDALORIAN!!!

I remeber, back in the day, we used to call the first 30 pages of Day 1 "The Joke Vote Stage".

[Skittles!]

I'm also not keen on the no lynch idea. It will enable night 1 to come quicker meaning we will lose a whole heap of people (for those Pokemon who have not come out yet) or that trainers will be able recruit a lot more Pokemon, if that's how the mechanics work. Right now we know the majority of people are wild Pokemon, and we should just eliminate the list from there (yes, I am advocating for Wing's list). However as it's super easy to claim wild Pokemon now because it's been the centre of the discussion for pages on how this role works, anyone can claim.

I'm not sure if trainers or TR know what the different types are, as per Nagerous post as he doesn't know the 5 types, with speculation as to what those types could be.

Dakky with this role claim you seem to think you're off the hook. Your most recent post basically saying 'anyone but me' also shows this. I'm just wondering who your trainer is (MM?)

Another thing to add is Exile has been trying to go after trainers the whole game - is it possible that the WC of trainers is to eliminate other trainers and take their recruited Pokemon to the end and eliminate team rocket? AKA cult, which has been speculated on before.

[strike wolf]

Problem with that argument Nark is that experienced scum do look to be active and helpful (last pokemon game, i gave a serious fos to a scum buddy that helped get him lynched the next day and almost got thw cult recruiter [who i did not know was in the game] lynched day 3) and honestly when you've gone out of your way to say "Hey look at how helpful I've been" more than once over the last couple pages, it does look like a bit of an excuse and/or "woe is me" statements. Fact is you appear to not have a part that was present in all other wild pokemon PMs. As Kwan said, i see three possible answers:

1. An anomaly in your role PM.
2. You missed it when reading your pm.
3. Youre role is different and its not in there.

Considering that you have made no attempt to address/correct the first two options (and wing and Kwan among others have given you ample chance), it really doesn't leave much option but to consider the third as being correct. So why lie about being a wild pokemon?

Vote Nark

Also, just putting this out there but I think Mitch is town. Early posts (through page 16 or 17, I have it open on my computer but I'm on my phone right now) support that he has followed a pro-Pokemon position pretty consitently.

[dakky21]

Dakky with this role claim you seem to think you're off the hook. Your most recent post basically saying 'anyone but me' also shows this. I'm just wondering who your trainer is (MM?)

Me of the hook? Why didn't you vote me then? You want my trainer? Seems like that....

Also, just putting this out there but I think Mitch is town. Early posts (through page 16 or 17, I have it open on my computer but I'm on my phone right now) support that he has followed a pro-Pokemon position pretty consitently.

Again, wild pokemon didn't receive role if they're town or scum. So why do you think Mitch is town while he didn't receive it? Unless you know something we don't know?

[strike wolf]

Because I am equating wild pokemon to town aligned roles with a survivor twist? Kind of like platoon Mafia. To make a reference that even some of the old timers probably forgot about.

[The Weird One]

A brief post before I'm very unconscious...


Madmitch seems like too easy of a lynch...I'm behind a couple of pages, so I might be missing information...sue me; I'll read up before leveling a vote on anyone...hopefully tomorrow, but no promises.

Anyway, to explain, while -a coupleish pages ago- it did seem that mitch was a viable target, his reckless play is going to get him stapled to a gallows before long, regardless. If what others are saying is accurate, his usual play is about as scummy as this regardless of who he is aligned with. If it comes down to it, I'll be in favour of lynching him over many others just because there seems to be a solid chance he is scum, and it would deflate their numbers mildly...I just think it'd be better to go after stronger scum players while we have a number of tells starting to crop up, and there's still a wealth of information yet to be reexamined. Also, to clarify, I'm not saying lynch for the sake of lynch...he's made some questionable plays, and his posts seem scummy...I'm just doubtful of the validity of the scumtells what with all that's been mentioned in thread as to his normal playstyle, and I'm of the mind that, if we were to lynch him on day2 after trying to lynch a more solid seeming player with more scumtells on day1, then that would most likely better benefit the town...that said, whether or not there is someone with more scumtells is still up for plenty of debate.

Before I get to the reexamining of information, the current Nark case seems a bit thin...It looks like he just missed one sentence out of his role pm...I'd say that that argument doesn't seem to hold much water. I'd say it's an easy thing to miss, at least...I just don't see that case having anything concrete behind it.

The dakky case I kinda missed altogether. I'll go back and read up tomorrow when brain is gooder at processing thoughts without quite as much pain involved....

Onto reexamining old info...it just seems to me that, now that we know all 26 players got the same neutral pokemon tells, we might should reexamine everyone on Wing's list...Wing in particular for starting it. It seems like a brilliant way for a scum to cement some town credentials fairly early in the game....And, yes, I do realize that this is coming off as tunnel-visioney...

Hopefully more thoughts to come on the morrow...

[Fircoal]

You're going to go back and see that I voted for a bunch of people who have since claimed to be wild pokemon, and say that doesn't sit right with you? Please, for the love of The Town, point out the people who have only voted for scum, so I can be just like them and also vote for scum. It's Day 1 bro, virtually all of us will get a few votes wrong on Day 1.

I think you're trying to distract from the issue. IT's not that you're wrong, it's easy to be wrong, it's that you're overeager to jump on whatever wagon seems to be gaining traction. It's not scummy to be wrong but it is scummy to bounce around looking for someone to lynch easily.

Fircoal is scum for deliberately misreading dakky. Dakky said he is someone's starter Pokemon, not a day 1 recruit. Mandy already said night actions will be resolved in the day. Masket can confirm how it works. It's great, if dakky flips town we kill masket. It's win/win at this point.

Hmmm? I did not deliberately misread him. It's possible that I have misread him but it certainly was not deliberate.

Also did Mandy say that night actions were resolved in the day? Because I don't remember seeing that.

AD, aage, Serbia - what makes you so sure that mets is scum?

It's a rare scenario where a policy lynch overlaps with a scum-aimed lynch.
In his earlier statement he said he wanted to play the players, not the mod. He has done nothing but play the mod since then. I think avoiding the actual game and only responding to outside interference makes you look alive even though you're not really playing.
As to his "I quit" shenanigans, you read the thread. If he seriously thinks this game is so unwinnable for him when Mandy interferes and confirms so little, he can't be town right?

Thirdly, this:

Disagree. Tim has had exactly this type of tantrum before in other games and it's not alignment-indicative.

does not logically follow into a scum read on Tim. He says it's not alignment-indicative, and he is quite right. Doesn't make Tim scum, doesn't explain his vote.


I have nothing to do with the flame war between Mets, Nark and Serbia.

Fair enough, while I don't agree I can see where you're going with this.

Because I am equating wild pokemon to town aligned roles with a survivor twist? Kind of like platoon Mafia. To make a reference that even some of the old timers probably forgot about.

I sorta get it? The name seems familiar although I forget what happened in it.

@No Lynch, No lynch, like always is a terrible idea. The town always wants the chance to lynch as it's the main tool of the town. In this game there are more powered attackers but it's always useful to get the chance at killing scum that we get. Even in this early stage it'd be foolish not to.

@Nark, I do find it quite troubling that his information clashes so heavily. Considering that he says he's a wild Pokemon and yet his pm seems to be different from the wild Pokemon pm. That means he's likely lying, which wouldn't make sense if he was a town trainer. Unvote. Vote: AD

[Anarkistsdream]

@Nark, I do find it quite troubling that his information clashes so heavily. Considering that he says he's a wild Pokemon and yet his pm seems to be different from the wild Pokemon pm. That means he's likely lying, which wouldn't make sense if he was a town trainer. Unvote. Vote: AD

I think Fircoal is scum... This is the exact way scum tries to start a nice little bandwagon going. By sounding like a Conservative Pundit from Fox News... A bunch of hums and hahs about things, without saying anything concrete, which then results in a finding that no one else has attempted to put forward, all in an attempt to seem like an abashed townie who can't believe they are placing their vote but are doing so... I dare say you should go back and look at his arguments from his previous votes and see how they all read...

Could you have made any more of a wishy washy statement while still placing your vote..? You sure make points about other people before trying to press on a vote...

Fircoal is an excellent mafia player, one of the best... And, while I can not guarantee it, I think he is TR, no doubt...

Assuming you all are foolish enough to press a lynch on me, which I believe there are enough smart people out there to NOT vote for me, look into him and his relationships with other players.

[Fircoal]

@Nark, I do find it quite troubling that his information clashes so heavily. Considering that he says he's a wild Pokemon and yet his pm seems to be different from the wild Pokemon pm. That means he's likely lying, which wouldn't make sense if he was a town trainer. Unvote. Vote: AD

I think Fircoal is scum... This is the exact way scum tries to start a nice little bandwagon going. By sounding like a Conservative Pundit from Fox News... A bunch of hums and hahs about things, without saying anything concrete, which then results in a finding that no one else has attempted to put forward, all in an attempt to seem like an abashed townie who can't believe they are placing their vote but are doing so... I dare say you should go back and look at his arguments from his previous votes and see how they all read...

Could you have made any more of a wishy washy statement while still placing your vote..? You sure make points about other people before trying to press on a vote...

Fircoal is an excellent mafia player, one of the best... And, while I can not guarantee it, I think he is TR, no doubt...

Assuming you all are foolish enough to press a lynch on me, which I believe there are enough smart people out there to NOT vote for me, look into him and his relationships with other players.

Uh I'm not sure where you're going with this. The reason why I'm wishy washy on this in a way is because I feel a bit off about it. I mean it's not like I have any read on you that says you're scum. In fact you're acting like you're town in my eyes. However given the word you claim to have versus the actual wild Pokemon reading it seems to point that you aren't a wild Pokemon. This leads me to believe that you lied, and it's much more likely that scum would lie than town would. It's as simple as that.

Furthermore I don't have much to say about you because I'm not the one who made the case on you. Look at what Strike said:

As Kwan said, i see three possible answers:

1. An anomaly in your role PM.
2. You missed it when reading your pm.
3. Youre role is different and its not in there.

Considering that you have made no attempt to address/correct the first two options (and wing and Kwan among others have given you ample chance), it really doesn't leave much option but to consider the third as being correct. So why lie about being a wild pokemon?

Vote Nark

From how I see it, you haven't fixed #2 and Mandy hasn't fixed #1. Both of you have been present since this has been brought up. So if it's not either of those it has to be the 3rd option. And if it's the third option that means you lied. And it's much more likely for scum to lie than town. For obvious reasons.

Also I will note Nark, you and I have very different writing styles. You are more of an aggressive and concrete person, I am not. I tend to be a bit more wishy washy naturally. I have noticed that I need to cut down on the weak words when I write sometimes.

Also consider this. Earlier in the day there were a couple of people who I made cases on, cases that I more or less still believe in. It's not like I'm immune to doing the work and putting my neck on the line behind a case.

[Skittles!]

Nark has been a lot more upfront than you have Chu throughout the whole game so far. While he did say he didn't see how many different types there are in his PM, there should be more of a case against him other than that. Otherwise I would have been lynched due to misremembering my wording of the PM too.

[Fircoal]

Nark has been a lot more upfront than you have Chu throughout the whole game so far. While he did say he didn't see how many different types there are in his PM, there should be more of a case against him other than that. Otherwise I would have been lynched due to misremembering my wording of the PM too.

Did you even read what I wrote just above? I mean yes ideally there should be more than that but there isn't. It's not my decision to allow quoting of pms into this game, that's Mandy's choice. But while it is here it's in town's best interest to use it. If you remember the reason you weren't lynched was because you remembered what your pm said and we could confirm that. AD hasn't done the same. That's where the difference lies.

Also Nark being upfront does not make me any less upfront. Whatever you mean by that.

[Metsfanmax]

I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me now that Nark has some special role like Professor Oak or something like that but cannot say it without becoming an obvious scum target. That he's in this position already makes him an obvious scum target, but if he's going to die, let's make scum waste their night kill (if they have one) on him rather than giving it to them for free.

[Skittles!]

Nark has been a lot more upfront than you have Chu throughout the whole game so far. While he did say he didn't see how many different types there are in his PM, there should be more of a case against him other than that. Otherwise I would have been lynched due to misremembering my wording of the PM too.

Did you even read what I wrote just above? I mean yes ideally there should be more than that but there isn't. It's not my decision to allow quoting of pms into this game, that's Mandy's choice. But while it is here it's in town's best interest to use it. If you remember the reason you weren't lynched was because you remembered what your pm said and we could confirm that. AD hasn't done the same. That's where the difference lies.

Also Nark being upfront does not make me any less upfront. Whatever you mean by that.

That is true, there is a difference. Just because that's all there is on Nark does not mean we need to settle on him, there have been so many leads that have actually just been a dead end this whole day. While we should lynch someone really soon, I still there can be information found from other players that have not been giving much input. Going on this, here is a list of people who haven't yet claimed being a pokemon (from what I remember) :

Fircoal
Skoffin
Marashu
newguy
nagerous
Hotshot
Ragian(?)
MM
TWO
exile
Talapus
Serbia

It's from this list that I think we should get more information from them in regards to how they fit into this.

Also, I am willing to believe that Nark is a pro-town or anti-trainer/TR.

[BuJaber]

First of all..(somewhat off-topic) page numbers don't mean much if we have different forum settings. If you can quote a post or refer to the date of posting that would be better.

Secondly Fircoal explained what I meant about Serbia better than I myself could have explained it, so thanks for that. They were all easy targets, which is why it didn't sit right with me. It's not enough to cast a vote on you Serbia, which is why I didn't. I need to see more to determine which side you're on.

Here are my thoughts on Nark: Like a few of you mentioned already, he's had plenty of time to correct himself. The fact that he hasn't makes us think he's lying. That is the obvious conclusion. But if he's not a wild pokemon, and he wants to pass as one, why wouldn't he just lie again and admit he misread it??! Why would scum fake claim being a wild pokemon, then intentionally distance himself from other claimed wild pokemon? I mean if that is his tactic then kudos to him, he's fooled me.. but I don't believe he's scum. I don't believe he's trainer. I think he's just too lazy to go back and re-read every word of his PM. Or he could be misunderstanding it.

Having said that, it makes me question Fircoal and Mets jumping on his case. I would question Wing and Kwanton too but in my eyes they've already given enough evidence that they're working against Team Rocket.

It might be a case of confirmation bias, but the more dakky posts, the more I am convinced he's scum. The marashu case doesn't seem to gain any attention, so I'm willing to change my vote to dakky.

[new guy1]

Mandy, I unvoted Tim on the bottom of page 23.


Well, I was going to make a post last night after work, but work wasn’t kind to me, so I got lazy and didn’t get on. Now I got karma hitting me with four pages of posts. I did not get to go back and read the posts that would indicate a feigned ignorance to Wild Pokemon, and will be saving that for later tonight/tomorrow (provided there’s no more walls of posts to read). I don’t believe anarkist’s post of Pokemon types to be scummy, more inquisitive/theoretical and not letting any possible idea slip away. I find his defense to be scummy however, as I’ve never liked the “I’m contributing a lot, you can’t lynch me” defenses, because some games are won by scum leading the cases every day because they have the town’s trust. Fortunately for him, most of his posts have seemed town to me, so I won’t give him my vote, no matter how much I dislike his defense at the moment.


I dislike mitch’s posts as of recent and with the knowledge that everyone knows about Wild Pokemon, wouldn’t feel bad about it as he could be TR or Wild Pokemon, just depends on luck. I was leaning to it just being his meta, but there’s got to be a line somewhere, and I’m getting close to it.


My vote will go to Marashu. Vote Marashu Ragian has been trying to get us to look at him for a little bit. I don’t really know that I support the initial reasoning for the case, however, I do find Marashu’s silence to be vote worthy. Haven’t heard from him in six days, and he was apparently going to have “much more time” a day after his last post, so I want to know why he hasn’t been updating us with his thoughts. At least until I can read through the posts to see who “didn’t know/believe” Wild Pokemon existed and see if there’s any case to put together there.


I didn’t get to post this when I typed most of it, I had to leave in the middle of it, but I’m not going to read anymore tonight, this is up to, but not including TWO’s first(?) post on this page. Will read up on the rest and post more tomorrow.

[HotShot53]

I drove to vacation on sunday, and will be here for a week... I should be able to keep up with reading the thread and commenting on active cases, but won't have the hours required to create cases or make long analytical posts this week, unless something just jumps out at me. The way this day has been going, it'll probably still be going when I get home, so that hopefully won't cause any problems lol.

As I said before, I don't want to jump on any mitch/tim/dakky wagons day 1 because they have too often gotten lynched early in games when they sound scummy but really are town.

As for the "case" on nark, it does seem very weird that he says his PM says something different from everyone else, or he is missing seeing it because it's in a different line of the PM than he is looking for it at. Also odd is his insistence that his PM is different, and not seeming to be worried about being lynched... I would have expected a scum to say "oh yeah, I misread my PM, it does say that" in order to reduce pressure. I could make arguments on either side of his case and haven't been able to convince myself either way yet, so I will just FOS nark

FP by BuJaber and new guy

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I told you guys ages ago that Fircoal, Skoffin and TheWierdOne were playing as a three. Its not a new thing that Fircoals posts are odd. Can we please lynch him. Unvote vote Fircoal



For you Skittles

[Samlen]

Ahhhh sorry about being inactive the past couple of days, though it wasn't completely under my control... I've read through all these pages and I'm too tired to make heads or tails of them right now, but I'll do my best to come up with something tomorrow, probably looking more into nark's case mostly.
-ninja'd by wing